FIVE DAILY SALAWAT IN ISLAM AND ZOROASTRIANISM
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The present Quran is only a portion of the original Quran text and a considerable portion of the original Quran text had been lost. This is the reason why a clear verse(s) giving commadment for 5 timed Salawat is/are not found in the present Quran. But the clear commadment for 5 Salawat must have been clearly given in the original Quran. No doubt about it.
Peace,
Respectfully.53 Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was sacrificed to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered on alters, and what you divide by the arrows of chance. This is all vile. Today the rejecters have given up from your system, so do not fear them, but fear Me. Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have accepted submission as the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.
Have you read this?
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- It is a well known fact that Rashad Khalifa did NOT translate the Quran into English but only gave his commentary in the name of a translation. Even the staunch supporters of code 19 like Edip have acknoldged many a mistake in the so-called Quran translation of Rashad. But I'm not surprised when blind followers of Rashad like YOU claim infallibility of Rashad and his so-called translation.
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I am one of the sensible people who DO NOT CLAIM TAHT HE WAS INFALLIBLE. I personally dont think his translation is perfect. YOU ARE A LIER!
- The very translation of Salat as 'contact prayer' by Rashad which is a mistake has been used by you!!!
I did not use RK's translation, you lier! I dont care whether you like salat as "contact prayer" or not,
It is verse clear that Buddhism is not a monotheistic religion. Hinduism might have a small sect that practices monotheism, although I am not even sure about that. The rest (majority) are idolators.
Why do you want to practice things that are found in polytheistic and atheistic religions? Does that say something about yourself? hmm
You are clearly rejecting God's assertions that the Quran is complete. I have heard what people on 19.org say about you. Thank you for your confirmation.
6114 "Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this book sufficiently detailed?" Those to whom We have given the book know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
6115 The word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
I have no need in discussin gthis further with you.
It is very clear that we have totally opposing views. I dont think I agree with in anything.Nevertheless,
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Prayer in judaism and Christianity clearly evolved. Originally praying (according to the Bible) was meditation and 'talking' to God. After the end of the sacrificial service the daily sacrifices became uniform prayers. Christianity reflects this in Jesus' (according to the New Testament) telling people to hiding themselves away for personal prayer and not to make a spectacle for the uniform prayer, i.e. The Lord's Prayer. The Quran only commands to keep regular prayers and not to make a spectacle out of it. If the Arabs resemble the Persians or Jews in prayer it's because of borowing, not because Zorostrianism is a revealed religion or because Rabbinical Judaism is God-given.
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Peace Alen,
Peace,
Respectfully.53 Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was sacrificed to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered on alters, and what you divide by the arrows of chance. This is all vile. Today the rejecters have given up from your system, so do not fear them, but fear Me. Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have accepted submission as the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.
Have you read this?
Peace.It is not that only Islam was perfected by God while other revealed religions were given as inperfect ones. Every revealed religion was given as a perfect religion. The word perfection here means completion of the revealtions by God while instituting a religion. It is only after revealed religions were perfected that such religions were corrupted by operation of satan.
Yours truly,
K.Vivekanandan
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Peace Progressive1993,
rotfl
I am one of the sensible people who DO NOT CLAIM TAHT HE WAS INFALLIBLE. I personally dont think his translation is perfect. YOU ARE A LIER!
I did not use RK's translation, you lier! I dont care whether you like salat as "contact prayer" or not,
It is verse clear that Buddhism is not a monotheistic religion. Hinduism might have a small sect that practices monotheism, although I am not even sure about that. The rest (majority) are idolators.
Why do you want to practice things that are found in polytheistic and atheistic religions? Does that say something about yourself? hmm
You are clearly rejecting God's assertions that the Quran is complete. I have heard what people on 19.org say about you. Thank you for your confirmation.
6114 "Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this book sufficiently detailed?" Those to whom We have given the book know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
6115 The word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
I have no need in discussin gthis further with you.
It is very clear that we have totally opposing views. I dont think I agree with in anything.Nevertheless,
Peace2563 The servants of the Gracious who walk on the earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they say, "Peace."
Peace.
Yours truly,
K.Vivekanandan
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Peace Cushan,
Prayer in judaism and Christianity clearly evolved.
No. Prayer which is nothing but one's supplication and one of the forms of worship was clearly taught to humans by God as can be seen in revealed books like the first chapter(division/collection) named "The Key" in the Quran.
Originally praying (according to the Bible) was meditation and 'talking' to God.
Yes, prayer is always like talking to God(the act of supplication) but meditation is one of the acts of worship and not a prayer.
After the end of the sacrificial service the daily sacrifices became uniform prayers.
There is no end of the sacrifical service as claimed by the so-called christians. It has only been stopped by the Jews, Hindus, Zoroastrians, et al and will be resumed in the forthcoming Messianic age when the Messiah(not Jesus but the one expected by all nations) appears.
The burnt offering of sacrificed animals is SALAT and it is NOT prayer or uniform prayer.
Christianity reflects this in Jesus' (according to the New Testament) telling people to hiding themselves away for personal prayer and not to make a spectacle for the uniform prayer, i.e. The Lord's Prayer.
Christianity with all of its denominations is a false religion and does reflect only the satanic dogma which will be annihilated when the Messiah appears.
The Quran only commands to keep regular prayers and not to make a spectacle out of it.
First of all, Salat is NOT a regular prayer. It is time-bound specified(ritual) worship ie fire oblation. Not only Quran but all law making revealed books contain God's commadment for such a worship.
If the Arabs resemble the Persians or Jews in prayer it's because of borowing, not because Zorostrianism is a revealed religion or because Rabbinical Judaism is God-given.
There is only one religion. So Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Taoism and other revealed religions are only branches of this ONE RELIGION and hence have common belief systems in many aspects. The similarities are not because of borrowing belief systems but due to their same source ie God.
Yours truly,
K.Vivekanandan
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Peace Progressive1993,
2563 The servants of the Gracious who walk on the earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they say, "Peace."
Peace.
Yours truly,
K.Vivekanandan
Good to see that you couldnt refute/counter what I have said. Seems as if you had nothing to say. And nice copying of what I did with the verse. I didnt even wrongly insult you.
Anyways,
Peacepeace
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Peace Progressive1993,
Good to see that you couldnt refute/counter what I have said. Seems as if you had nothing to say. And nice copying of what I did with the verse. I didnt even wrongly insult you.
Anyways,
Peacepeace
I do not want to respond to an utter foolishness!!!
Yours truly,
K.Vivekanandan
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Peace Progressive1993,
I do not want to counter an utter foolishness!!!
Yours truly,
K.Vivekanandan
Whatever, vivek. I see that you are quite angry... wow..
I think the others here agree with me that the Quran is complete and that we should uphold it alone as the source of our religion. I dont think we have to adapt the Quranic Islam to Hinduism or other religions. You couldnt answer my questions, and your accusation of me having used Rashad Khalifa's good translation of the Quran is totally false. A lie. See 2563 and4140 It has been sent down to you in the book, that when you hear God's signs being rejected and ridiculed in, then do not sit with them until they move on to a different subject; if not, then you are like them. God will gather the hypocrites and the ingrates in hell all together..
Peace and Bye.
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Whatever, vivek. I see that you are quite angry... wow..
I think the others here agree with me that the Quran is complete and that we should uphold it alone as the source of our religion. I dont think we have to adapt the Quranic Islam to Hinduism or other religions. You couldnt answer my questions, and your accusation of me having used Rashad Khalifa's good translation of the Quran is totally false. A lie. See 2563 and4140 It has been sent down to you in the book, that when you hear God's signs being rejected and ridiculed in, then do not sit with them until they move on to a different subject; if not, then you are like them. God will gather the hypocrites and the ingrates in hell all together..
Peace and Bye.
Peace progressive1993,
You are a proven hypocrite. Every unbiased reader will find that the present Quran is incomplete in many respects due to its tampering by scribes who edited the original Quran and compiled the present Quran incorporating only the text they wanted while discarding the other portions of the original Quran. It is evident from the fact that the present Quran does NOT give full details of how the very obligatory duties such as Salat, Zakat,etc and many more religious laws/duties should be performed. When traditionalists fabricated their own lies, hypocites who call themselves Quran aloners invent their own meanings(ie Zakat means purification, Salat means assembly/contact and so on) that negate the very purpose of God's religion and serve the purpose of Satan.
Yours truly,
K.Vivekanandan
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It is not my problem if you call God's words incomplete. I firmly believe and trust God when he tells me that no one can abrogate his words and that his words are completed in the Quran and when he says that the Quran is fully/sufficiently detailed. If you have a problem with that, then go ahead. You couldnt even answer my questions and/or you would have looked bad when answering them. I just found out you're a Hindu. If you want to burn incense, then go ahead, but do not say that it is ordained in the Quran.
If you want to pick a fight, then I am not interested.It seems as if you like attacking people who have different views than you. You've attacked free-minds right
HERE (link)Anyways, I'm not looking for a fight.
Peace and
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It is not my problem if you call God's words incomplete. I firmly believe and trust God when he tells me that no one can abrogate his words and that his words are completed in the Quran and when he says that the Quran is fully/sufficiently detailed. If you have a problem with that, then go ahead. You couldnt even answer my questions and/or you would have looked bad when answering them. I just found out you're a Hindu. If you want to burn incense, then go ahead, but do not say that it is ordained in the Quran.
If you want to pick a fight, then I am not interested.It seems as if you like attacking people who have different views than you. You've attacked free-minds right
HERE (link)Anyways, I'm not looking for a fight.
Peace and
ByePeace progressive1993,
You are again and again proving that you got good talent in hypocrisy. You are so childish and immature and naive while responding to my posts. It shows how you hypocritically reject the truths that I have brought out on this forum and somewhere else.
When God says no one can abrogate his words it means no one has authority to change/abroagate his words. It does not mean no one can remove his words from a witten form of his scripture. You are pitiably unable to understand the true meaning of the Quranic verses. The original Quran like all other scriptures has been fully preserved in the mother book in the heaven.
Also, completion of God's words in the Quran means completion of God's revelations through Muhammad as the Quran.
Likewise, when God says the Quran is fully detailed it means all necessary details were given in the original Quran and it does not mean or guarantee that some or many of the revealed words will or can not be removed by humans from the written form of the Quran.
If you are unable to grasp the real meanings and still choose to be ignorant and arrogant, I can only pity on you.
Yes, I'm a Hindu. I don't think you are a Muslim but a Munafiq. Don't play ego game with me like you are a Hindu, I'm a Muslim and so on. I only wanted to portray how hypocritical some of the moderators of this forum were in their approach towards my post which is why I posted an article on 19.org. I think all of free mind people are aware of it and even the moderators of this forum!!!
Yours truly,
K.Vivekanandan
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I can only see one ignorant person here YOU
I dont need you to tell me that I am "a hypocrite" or "misguided" - I have had enough people praise me. Find another 16 year-old that understands as much about the Quran and his religion as I do.7431 "...None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He... (God)"
I dont wish to have another discussion with you. Why are you continuing?
Why are you scared to answer my questions?
Why are you frightened or embarrased when I share a link where you openly insult free-minds and it's users? I've seen enough comments about you and from you - they all prove what your character/personality is.I hope this discussion is over.
Peace be upon you, I do not seek the ignorant.
4911 O you who acknowledge, let not a people ridicule other people, for they may be better than them. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than them. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining acknowledgement. Anyone who does not repent, then these are the transgressors.
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Vivek,
what do you say to the folloing verses?
7748 When they are told, "Bow down," they do not bow down.
2125 We have made the sanctuary to be a model for the people and a security. Utilize the place of Abraham to reach out. We had entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael, "You shall purify My sanctuary for those who visit, those who are devoted, and for those who bow and prostrate."
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Whats interesting about this discussion is that the 5 prayers of the Zoroastrain was used by some to discredit the 5 salat theory and now it is being used to give credibility to the 5 salat theory rotfl
In time people will realize these things are rituals and are a means to an end and not an end by themselves which is why the Quran does not dwell on rituals since its all rituals
To loose wight you should excercise, whether you jog or walk or play tennis is not whats important. Whats important is you exercise. You don't always ask how do I excercise, you just know you are supposed to burn calories. So why should you ask how to pray? No Christian asks these questions.
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Peace Bigmo,
Whats interesting about this discussion is that the 5 prayers of the Zoroastrain was used by some to discredit the 5 salat theory and now it is being used to give credibility to the 5 salat theory rotfl
Worship five times a day is a common God-given commandment in revealed religions. This truth is substantiated with the fact that Zoroastrians and Hindus like Muslims are required to perform Yajna/Yasna/Salat five times a day.
In time people will realize these things are rituals and are a means to an end and not an end by themselves which is why the Quran does not dwell on rituals since its all rituals
The obligatory worship five times a day is a ritual worship and this ritual was taught by God but not a man-made ritual as you mistakenly believe. The original Quran which was complete contained full details on Salat. But the present INCOMPLETE Quran does not contain such details.
To loose wight you should excercise, whether you jog or walk or play tennis is not whats important. Whats important is you exercise. You don't always ask how do I excercise, you just know you are supposed to burn calories. So why should you ask how to pray? No Christian asks these questions.
Any one can cite such kind of examples to run away from any duty. There are a number of duties commanded by God and Salat is one of the prime duties. We cannot substitute one duty with another. Each duty has its own merit. Christianity is NOT a revealed religion but a man-made pagan religion and has rejected God's Law(Torah and other God given laws) and salvation through deeds and has had its own man-made creed. No guided and learned person will consider christianity as a revealed religion and quote the christian doctrines for discussion on religious truths.
Yours truly,
K.Vivekanandan
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Peace Bigmo,
The obligatory worship five times a day is a ritual worship and this ritual was taught by God but not a man-made ritual as you mistakenly believe. The original Quran which was complete contained full details on Salat. But the present INCOMPLETE Quran does not contain such details.
??? How is the quran incomplete? confused
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??? How is the quran incomplete? confused
He's no different than Sunni or Shiite mushriks - in his declaring the Quran to be 'incomplete' and in his arguemention no evidence, aggressiveness and only hot air - or on free-minds black writing and nothing behind it.
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He's no different than Sunni or Shiite mushriks - in his declaring the Quran to be 'incomplete' and in his arguemention no evidence, aggressiveness and only hot air - or on free-minds black writing and nothing behind it.
What is hot air confuseddoes it smell bad hmm