the people of the book and thier books
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There might be substantial proves but I don't know any may be if you can help me with some or give me a link to where I might get any. As for the tomb found in Jerusalem we have the following facts and claims
The Facts Claimed- In 1980 ten limestone bone boxes (ossuaries) dated to the first century, were discovered in an excavated tomb in the Jerusalem suburb of Talpiot.
- Six inscriptions were discovered with names similar to or the same as some of Jesus Christ?s family and disciples
Jesua, son of Joseph,
Mary
Mariamene e Mara
Mathew
Jofa
Judah, son of Jesua. - Cameron attempts to prove that Mariamene e Mara is Mary of Magdalene, and that she and Jesus had a son named "Judah son of Jesua".
- DNA analysis identifies that tissues from the ossuaries of Jesua and Mariamene e Mara were not related, raising the possibility they may have been married and had a child.
sourcewww.jesusfamilytomb.com
But wouldn't one of his brothers, James be there too?
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Interesting, so where are they?
I think you should follow this link www.jesusfamilytomb.com
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I think you should follow this link www.jesusfamilytomb.com
I have seen that, but it doesn't say where his brothers are, unless I missed something
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I have seen that, but it doesn't say where his brothers are, unless I missed something
may be this might help you
Main article James OssuaryThe film further claims that the tenth ossuary, which went missing years ago, is the James Ossuary purported to contain the body of James, the brother of Jesus.
In The Jesus Family Tomb, Simcha Jacobovici claims the James Ossuary would have been a part of this tomb, but was removed by artifact dealers, and thus discovered separately. The James Ossuary's authenticity has been called into question, and one of its past owners has been charged with fraud in connection to the artifact.
Ben Witherington III, who worked with Jacobovici on a Discovery Channel documentary on the James Ossuary, denies this connection on two grounds
- "The James ossuary, according to the report of the antiquities dealer that Oded Golan got the ossuary from, said that the ossuary came from Silwan, not Talpiot, and had dirt in it that matched up with the soil in that particular spot in Jerusalem."
- "Furthermore, Eusebius reports that the tomb marker for James's burial was close to where James was martyred near the temple mount, indeed near the famous tombs in the Kidron Valley such as the so-called Tomb of Absalom. Talpiot is nowhere near this locale."
Another consideration was that the measurements of the James Ossuary did not match the measurements listed for the tenth ossuary, which is no longer stored with the rest of the collection. The James Ossuary was listed as being approximately 50 centimeters long by 30 centimeters wide on one end, and 25.5 centimeters on the other end. The tenth ossuary in the Talpiot collection is listed as 60 centimeters long by 26 centimeters by 30 centimeters. Furthermore, Amos Kloner has stated that the tenth ossuary had no inscription. And Joe Zias, former curator of the Rockefeller Museum who received and catalogued the ossuaries, has also refuted this claim on his personal site.
New information has now shown that the discrepancy in the measurements had to do with measuring the base of the ossuary, which is indeed 50 centimeters, rather than the length. The top length of the James ossuary, not the base, which is trapezoid in shape, according to the latest remeasurement carried out by the Israel Antiquities Authority, is 57.5 centimeters. However, this does not in any way prove that the James ossuary is the missing tenth Talpiot ossuary.www.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Tomb_of_Jesus#Connection_to_the_James_Ossuary
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may be this might help you
Main article James OssuaryThe film further claims that the tenth ossuary, which went missing years ago, is the James Ossuary purported to contain the body of James, the brother of Jesus.
In The Jesus Family Tomb, Simcha Jacobovici claims the James Ossuary would have been a part of this tomb, but was removed by artifact dealers, and thus discovered separately. The James Ossuary's authenticity has been called into question, and one of its past owners has been charged with fraud in connection to the artifact.
Ben Witherington III, who worked with Jacobovici on a Discovery Channel documentary on the James Ossuary, denies this connection on two grounds
- "The James ossuary, according to the report of the antiquities dealer that Oded Golan got the ossuary from, said that the ossuary came from Silwan, not Talpiot, and had dirt in it that matched up with the soil in that particular spot in Jerusalem."
- "Furthermore, Eusebius reports that the tomb marker for James's burial was close to where James was martyred near the temple mount, indeed near the famous tombs in the Kidron Valley such as the so-called Tomb of Absalom. Talpiot is nowhere near this locale."
Another consideration was that the measurements of the James Ossuary did not match the measurements listed for the tenth ossuary, which is no longer stored with the rest of the collection. The James Ossuary was listed as being approximately 50 centimeters long by 30 centimeters wide on one end, and 25.5 centimeters on the other end. The tenth ossuary in the Talpiot collection is listed as 60 centimeters long by 26 centimeters by 30 centimeters. Furthermore, Amos Kloner has stated that the tenth ossuary had no inscription. And Joe Zias, former curator of the Rockefeller Museum who received and catalogued the ossuaries, has also refuted this claim on his personal site.
New information has now shown that the discrepancy in the measurements had to do with measuring the base of the ossuary, which is indeed 50 centimeters, rather than the length. The top length of the James ossuary, not the base, which is trapezoid in shape, according to the latest remeasurement carried out by the Israel Antiquities Authority, is 57.5 centimeters. However, this does not in any way prove that the James ossuary is the missing tenth Talpiot ossuary.www.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Tomb_of_Jesus#Connection_to_the_James_Ossuary
Thank you, I must have missed that part. I was probably too interested in the Mary Magdalene article
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Can some one please answer these Questions for me.
If the Bible was corrupted, was this before or after Muhammad? If before, why does God tell Muhammad to refer to a corrupted Scripture for guidance, and why does he say of the Torah and Gospel 'wherein is guidance and light' rather than 'wherein there used to be before they were corrupted'? If after, why does the Muslim not accept the Bible, since current translations are all based upon manuscripts that predate Muhammad?If it was corrupted, was this by Jews or Christians? Since neither were on speaking terms with each other (sura 2113 'The Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true) and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true), yet both are readers of the Scripture', also see 582), how could they agree to change every single Bible identically? Why was there no record of this happening, and why did nobody try to stop it or hide authentic Bibles? The New Testament books were widely distributed as soon as they were written - the 'Jesus Papyrus' of Matthew 26, found in Magdalene College and recently dated to AD 68 was found in Egypt. Presumably Matthew was still alive when it was written - so why did he not try to correct it if it had been tampered with? Why did the Christians not remove embarrassing stories like Peter's denial of Christ (Matt 2669-75) or Paul and Barnabas' disputation (Acts 1539)?
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Can some one please answer these Questions for me.
If the Bible was corrupted, was this before or after Muhammad? If before, why does God tell Muhammad to refer to a corrupted Scripture for guidance, and why does he say of the Torah and Gospel 'wherein is guidance and light' rather than 'wherein there used to be before they were corrupted'? If after, why does the Muslim not accept the Bible, since current translations are all based upon manuscripts that predate Muhammad?If it was corrupted, was this by Jews or Christians? Since neither were on speaking terms with each other (sura 2113 'The Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true) and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true), yet both are readers of the Scripture', also see 582), how could they agree to change every single Bible identically? Why was there no record of this happening, and why did nobody try to stop it or hide authentic Bibles? The New Testament books were widely distributed as soon as they were written - the 'Jesus Papyrus' of Matthew 26, found in Magdalene College and recently dated to AD 68 was found in Egypt. Presumably Matthew was still alive when it was written - so why did he not try to correct it if it had been tampered with? Why did the Christians not remove embarrassing stories like Peter's denial of Christ (Matt 2669-75) or Paul and Barnabas' disputation (Acts 1539)?
The bible (NT) was corrupted both before and after Muhammad. It was corrupted by many councils of Christians to fit in with their beliefs. For example, there is no mention of the trinity, of Jesus being divine, until it was put in there at a later date.
Luke Chapter 38
- Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son of Joseph,
Later they changed it to say
Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son of Joseph (or so they thought),
If that is not tampering, I don't know what is.
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The bible (NT) was corrupted both before and after Muhammad. It was corrupted by many councils of Christians to fit in with their beliefs. For example, there is no mention of the trinity, of Jesus being divine, until it was put in there at a later date.
Luke Chapter 38
- Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son of Joseph,
Later they changed it to say
Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son of Joseph (or so they thought),
If that is not tampering, I don't know what is.
I THINK you should check any Quran translation and see the usage of BRACKETS and what it signifies. If we are to go by your way of understanding then the quran is tempered with
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I THINK you should check any Quran translation and see the usage of BRACKETS and what it signifies. If we are to go by your way of understanding then the quran is tempered with
But are there brackets in the Arabic texts? or were they just added in the translations? I wouldn't know as I do not speak or read Arabic. The additions in the bible were added hundreds of years AFTER it was translated.
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But are there brackets in the Arabic texts? or were they just added in the translations? I wouldn't know as I do not speak or read Arabic. The additions in the bible were added hundreds of years AFTER it was translated.
the brackets are not in arabic (original) quran! but the translations contain it and many are from hadhis and other sources
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I THINK you should check any Quran translation and see the usage of BRACKETS and what it signifies. If we are to go by your way of understanding then the quran is tempered with
The 4 Biblical gospels do NOT amount to the "Injeel"/Evangel that was given to Jesus. The Qur'aan makes it clear that Jesus was actually given a book, not just 'good news'. The 4 gospels are not mentioned anywhere in the Qur'aan, since they're not Nazarene scriptures. They're CHRISTIAN gospels, and there is no mention of Christians ("masihiyuun" anywhere in the Qur'aan either. The Qur'aan doesn't concern itself with the Christian faith or it's scriptures, since it's not a monotheistic doctrine. The most it does is command the Nazarenes not to follow the Christian example of setting Allah up as a trinity...
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The 4 Biblical gospels do NOT amount to the "Injeel"/Evangel that was given to Jesus. The Qur'aan makes it clear that Jesus was actually given a book, not just 'good news'. The 4 gospels are not mentioned anywhere in the Qur'aan, since they're not Nazarene scriptures. They're CHRISTIAN gospels, and there is no mention of Christians ("masihiyuun" anywhere in the Qur'aan either. The Qur'aan doesn't concern itself with the Christian faith or it's scriptures, since it's not a monotheistic doctrine. The most it does is command the Nazarenes not to follow the Christian example of setting Allah up as a trinity...
The Christian faith began as a monotheistic doctrine, it was corrupted later on.
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But are there brackets in the Arabic texts? or were they just added in the translations? I wouldn't know as I do not speak or read Arabic. The additions in the bible were added hundreds of years AFTER it was translated.
Yes Munzir just answered it, as for the Hebrew or Greek text of the bible you can check it those brackets are not there.you may down load the electronic bible online with the Hebrew text format www.e-sword.net/downloads.html
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Yes Munzir just answered it, as for the Hebrew or Greek text of the bible you can check it those brackets are not there.you may down load the electronic bible online with the Hebrew text format www.e-sword.net/downloads.html
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