the people of the book and thier books
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The Christian faith began as a monotheistic doctrine, it was corrupted later on.
This is your interpretation, but I strongly disagree. According to the Bible, the ORIGIN of Christianity was based on the concept of Jesus being the "begotten" son of God, his death and resurrection, and his human sacrifice for the sins of humanity. It was also based on the rejection of the Torah and rejection of the Jewish faith and people... Based on this concept, Christianity actually began as a revival of the Roman doctrine, where the people needed Jesus to be their intercessor and mediator to God, which in itself is polytheistic...
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This is your interpretation, but I strongly disagree. According to the Bible, the ORIGIN of Christianity was based on the concept of Jesus being the "begotten" son of God, his death and resurrection, and his human sacrifice for the sins of humanity. It was also based on the rejection of the Torah and rejection of the Jewish faith and people... Based on this concept, Christianity actually began as a revival of the Roman doctrine, where the people needed Jesus to be their intercessor and mediator to God, which in itself is polytheistic...
I think you wrong to say early followers of jesus are mushriks for the Quran give us the information that jesus and his followers were muslims.
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I think you wrong to say early followers of jesus are mushriks for the Quran give us the information that jesus and his followers were muslims.
Yes, and I never said Jesus' followers were "mushriks". But the original followers of Jesus weren't Christians either, they were Jews. And they later became Nazarenes. They were NEVER Christians, and the Christians never followed the guidance of Jesus, they followed the teachings of Paul...
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Yes, and I never said Jesus' followers were "mushriks". But the original followers of Jesus weren't Christians either, they were Jews. And they later became Nazarenes. They were NEVER Christians, and the Christians never followed the guidance of Jesus, they followed the teachings of Paul...
Well of course they were not Christians, they were Jews.
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Well of course they were not Christians, they were Jews.
Even after the Jews rebuked Jesus' followers for their acceptance of him as their "masih", they simply converted to the Nazarene sect. Jesus is also mentioned as being a member of this Nazarene sect. The original disciples of Jesus never called themselves Christians ("masihiyuun" at all, and the person who instituted the religion of Christianity was Paul, not Jesus...
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Even after the Jews rebuked Jesus' followers for their acceptance of him as their "masih", they simply converted to the Nazarene sect. Jesus is also mentioned as being a member of this Nazarene sect. The original disciples of Jesus never called themselves Christians ("masihiyuun" at all, and the person who instituted the religion of Christianity was Paul, not Jesus...
What about Jesus' brother James?
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What about Jesus' brother James?
James is consistently called a "Nazarene", and he is regarded as the head of the Ebionite movement.
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Yes, and I never said Jesus' followers were "mushriks". But the original followers of Jesus weren't Christians either, they were Jews. And they later became Nazarenes. They were NEVER Christians, and the Christians never followed the guidance of Jesus, they followed the teachings of Paul...
ok can u let me know any group that exist now with the name Nazerenes cos the Quran promise to give victory those that follow jesus and beleive in him over those that reject him up to the day of judgement. Or are we to claim same for the sunnis and shiites since God never mention there name as the companions of muhammad so is the Quran a forgery of the sunnis and shiites?
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James is consistently called a "Nazarene", and he is regarded as the head of the Ebionite movement.
Of course Jesus did not start the Christian Church. He never intended to start a new religion, he just wanted to bring the message to the Jews and "correct" their religion. Once the Jews had ejected his followers from the Temple and the Synagogues they had no option but to start something new.
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Well of course they were not Christians, they were Jews.
I agree because its common sense!
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(And remain always) turning in repentance to Him (only), and be afraid and dutiful to Him; and perform As-Sal?t (the prayers) and be not of Al-Mushrik?n (the polytheists, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of All?h).
Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Isl?mic Monotheism), and became sects, , each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.
Is these verses not addressing the JEWS with their torah, the CHRISTIANS with their gospel, and the MUSLIMS with the quran -
(And remain always) turning in repentance to Him (only), and be afraid and dutiful to Him; and perform As-Sal?t (the prayers) and be not of Al-Mushrik?n (the polytheists, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of All?h).
Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Isl?mic Monotheism), and became sects, , each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.
Is these verses not addressing the JEWS with their torah, the CHRISTIANS with their gospel, and the MUSLIMS with the quranI think that verse is probably speaking about the unified structure of monotheism, not to one specific group (i.e. Jews, Christians, Muslims). Also, the "masihiyuun"/Christians are not mentioned in the Qur'aan at all, and their "gospels" do not equate to the Qur'aanic description of the Injiyl. So, it would moreso be speaking to Jews and Muslims than to Christians...
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all books are failures and science is a failure too. show me a miracle or a sign or else every poetry has hidden truth. I have been on free minds since 2006. Bunch of poets.