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    TAJ
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    Peace Taj

    Point taken. However, I believe along with the recitation do some study and research to help you get the message. Recitation alone in my opinion is useless without some understanding (blind following). Again my view.

    Peace Hope,

    There's absolutely nothing useless in reciting the Quran whether you understood it or not. Just open your heart and pray for guidance and you will get whatever you need to get. The message itself is spiritual. It is far bigger and deeper than earthly language. The message is clear, simple and direct no one needs to go to any details or explanations or even reciting the Quran to get the message and guidance.
    For believers, Quran is but one means to stir what is already within (that which is nearer than the jugular vein). Whether illiterate or non Arab, a believer can get it and heal from it. Those who don't believe and need to be convinced won't get it no matter what.

    handshakepeace

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      Hope4, i did some research, apparently a man in Iraq by the name of "Al-hijjaj ibn Yusuf" ordered the Quran to be in jizo`. so it started from him and spread..

      Way before Ottoman time..

      I was just talking to someone, apparently the purpose is because Ramadan is 29-30 days so that way the whole Quran is complete by end of Ramadan.

      Salam

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        Hope4, i did some research, apparently a man in Iraq by the name of "Al-hijjaj ibn Yusuf" ordered the Quran to be in jizo`. so it started from him and spread..

        He was the Hitler of his time too!

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          It would seem that is also AQ's view, see 443, 1736.

          Peace Wakas

          Thank you for that. I feel 443 implies indirectly but 1736 directly.

          Peace

          Hope

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            Hope4, i did some research, apparently a man in Iraq by the name of "Al-hijjaj ibn Yusuf" ordered the Quran to be in jizo`. so it started from him and spread..

            Way before Ottoman time..

            I was just talking to someone, apparently the purpose is because Ramadan is 29-30 days so that way the whole Quran is complete by end of Ramadan.

            Salam

            Peace Sarah

            Thank you for your research it makes sense now. I guess its not a requirement that you need to read a whole jizo of the quran everytime you read it as my family thinks. Rather its an easy way to split the reading into equal portions to be read over ramadan. Again thank you for that.

            Peace

            Hope

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              Peace Hope,

              There's absolutely nothing useless in reciting the Quran whether you understood it or not. Just open your heart and pray for guidance and you will get whatever you need to get. The message itself is spiritual. It is far bigger and deeper than earthly language. The message is clear, simple and direct no one needs to go to any details or explanations or even reciting the Quran to get the message and guidance.
              For believers, Quran is but one means to stir what is already within (that which is nearer than the jugular vein). Whether illiterate or non Arab, a believer can get it and heal from it. Those who don't believe and need to be convinced won't get it no matter what.

              handshakepeace

              Peace TAJ

              Thank you for that reminder and you put your point through very nicely. I suppose different people will take different things from the Quran and the fact you said that the Quran is one means to stir what is already there makes sense. I do also agree that although I do not understand arabic when the Quran is recited I do feel a sense of peace. However, for over 30 years I have concentrated on recitation of the Quran and trying to learn by heart some suras, however for the past 4 to 5 months I have started to try to understand what the message is, through research and reading articles, intepretations of the Quran both in english and turkish and I can honestly say I feel my faith is greater now than it was in the past, specially as I have found answers to many of the questions I had in my head. But yes for about 30+ years of my life I did find peace by listening to the Quran but all I new about Islam was all hear-say.

              So I agree with you that recitation without understanding is one means to stir what is already within and I take back my saying or using the word useless. But the main aim or goal should be to understand the message as 1736 states.

              May God guide us in the right direction/path.

              Peace

              Hope

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                Peace Hope,

                There's absolutely nothing useless in reciting the Quran whether you understood it or not. Just open your heart and pray for guidance and you will get whatever you need to get. The message itself is spiritual. It is far bigger and deeper than earthly language. The message is clear, simple and direct no one needs to go to any details or explanations or even reciting the Quran to get the message and guidance.
                For believers, Quran is but one means to stir what is already within (that which is nearer than the jugular vein). Whether illiterate or non Arab, a believer can get it and heal from it. Those who don't believe and need to be convinced won't get it no matter what.

                handshakepeace

                That is call faith and it is good but without understanding the massage will create more idiots as it already did. &

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                  That is call faith and it is good but without understanding the massage will create more idiots as it already did. &

                  Don't confuse the message with Iblis!

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                    Don't confuse the message with Iblis!

                    Iblis is always connected with message can?t you see so many sects, Al Qaida, Taliban. ???

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                      Iblis is always connected with message can?t you see so many sects, Al Qaida, Taliban. ???

                      And what has the message got to do with the ... copy/paste .. so many sects, Al Qaida, Taliban. ??? .. o

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                        And what has the message got to do with the ... copy/paste .. so many sects, Al Qaida, Taliban. ??? ..

                        Not the copy past but Satan has connection with message and succeeded to keep us away from it.

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                          Peace

                          There is good and bad people in all religions and walks of life. Its up to us to differentiate the wicked from the good and take note of the path we pick for ourselves. Please lets not lable any sec or group as being collectively evil or misguided, but lets concentrate on ourselves and try to take the best examples to help us achieve righteousness. I have been guilty of this in the past and its not good.

                          Peace

                          Hope

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                            Not the copy past but Satan has connection with message and succeeded to keep us away from it.

                            Iblis' connection is with mankind, Adam, not the message.

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                              Peace

                              There is good and bad people in all religions and walks of life. Its up to us to differentiate the wicked from the good and take note of the path we pick for ourselves. Please lets not lable any sec or group as being collectively evil or misguided, but lets concentrate on ourselves and try to take the best examples to help us achieve righteousness. I have been guilty of this in the past and its not good.

                              Peace

                              Hope

                              Sects are competitions between understandings.

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                                Sects are competitions between understandings.

                                Peace TAJ

                                Not sure I understood you there. Do you mean that sects are in competition with each other?

                                Peace

                                Hope

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                                  they say there will be 71 christian ones, 72 jewish ones, 73 muslim ones... you know what they say... i heard there's several thousand just christian sects... i'm sure there more then 100 muslim ones, at least over last 1400 years... which kinda denotes the whole 71,72,73 thing...
                                  i know nobody asked, just thought i mention it hope nobody minds

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                                    Not sure I understood you there. Do you mean that sects are in competition with each other?

                                    Yes, when one's understanding becomes the right one while all else is false! When you belong to a sect it is like telling the others that you are smarter, that you know better, etc.. and so you ought to be stronger than the other in order to protect and defend your understanding and the sect that holds and supports that understanding from the other, and so forth..

                                    Say, "He is the Able to send upon you affliction from above you or from beneath your feet or to dress you (put onto) you sects and make you taste the violence of one another." Look how We diversify the signs that they might understand. (665)

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                                      they say there will be 71 christian ones, 72 jewish ones, 73 muslim ones... you know what they say... i heard there's several thousand just christian sects... i'm sure there more then 100 muslim ones, at least over last 1400 years... which kinda denotes the whole 71,72,73 thing...
                                      i know nobody asked, just thought i mention it hope nobody minds

                                      Peace,
                                      Respectfully.

                                      Who are they?
                                      Little green men?
                                      And why are they green?
                                      Too much vegetables?
                                      Have a banana.

                                      Peace.

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                                        MUNZIR_ALI
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                                        Peace,
                                        Respectfully.

                                        Who are they?
                                        Little green men?
                                        And why are they green?
                                        Too much vegetables?
                                        Have a banana.

                                        Peace.

                                        bravo nice!

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                                          UmAlawi
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                                          Peace,
                                          Respectfully.

                                          Who are they?
                                          Little green men?
                                          And why are they green?
                                          Too much vegetables?
                                          Have a banana.

                                          Peace.

                                          too much of this http//www.partydomain.co.uk/d-commerce/product282.html

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