Quran only?
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Really? None that you see that contradict the Qur'an???
How about
killing of apostates
the status of women
the hadith that says an adulterer must be stoned (not in Qur'an, lashing is the only punishment)
intercessionAdding to the list that goes on and on
- Ablution
56 O you who acknowledge, when you rise to attend the contact prayer, then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you could not find water, then you shall do ablution from clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands. God does not want to make any hardship over you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be appreciative.
Is this how you do your ablution?
Next point dietary laws
2173 He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, the blood, the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. Whoever finds himself forced out of need and without disobedience or animosity, there is no sin upon him. God is Forgiving, Compassionate.
Are these your only rules or did you add to God's law, which is, btw, idolatry?
2174 Surely, those who conceal what God has sent down of the book, and purchase with it a cheap price; they will not eat into their stomachs except the fire, and God will not speak to them on the day of Resurrection, nor will He purify them, and they will have a painful retribution.
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That's all Allah asks us to do. If he wanted us to read the hadiths he would say so in his Qu'ran.
?He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger from among themselves, reciting to them His ayaat, purifying them, and teaching them the Book and the Hikmah. And verily, they had been before in manifest error?
I am curious as to what you guys think the 'hikmah' is, arabic definition of hikma is knowledge? this is repeated in other verses.
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If everyone followed the Quran only, would that long war between Iran and Iraq ever have been fought? Would Iraq have ever invaded Saudi Arabia?
If the people followed the Quran alone,
• There would have been no Iraq iran of saudi arabia why?
• because most of the sunna (excellence in human interactions, ie trade, neighborly goodwill..) with which the sahaba helped spread islam is missing from the equation
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?He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger from among themselves, reciting to them His ayaat, purifying them, and teaching them the Book and the Hikmah. And verily, they had been before in manifest error?
I am curious as to what you guys think the 'hikmah' is, arabic definition of hikma is knowledge? this is repeated in other verses.
peace
if you went to the doctors, complaining of pain, and the doctor gave you 1 box of pills, and said "here is a box of pills and a cure"
where is the cure?
peace
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becarefull- knowledge,
You may wish to read
http//mahjoorquran.blogspot.com/2006/11/authority-of-al-quran-by-kashif-ahmed.htmlThe topic of what is "hikma" is discussed in it.
I read the section on Hikmah, he is not providing anything whatsover to disclaim that hikma is knowledge in addition to the Qruan. he quotes an ayat that is supposed to support this but see below for yusuf ali's version
Yusuf alis version
39. These are among the (precepts of) wisdom, which thy Lord has revealed to thee. Take not, with Allah, another object of worship, lest thou shouldst be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected.
his version
"This is of what your Sustainer has revealed to you of ?Hikmah? (wisdom), and do not associate any other god with Allah lest you should be thrown into hell, blamed, cast away." (1739)IF Allah intended for us to know that the wisdom that Muhamad (PBUH) is bringing is the Quran itself and only the Quran, why didnt the Quran say the Quran and its wisdom as opposed the quran and the wisdom(hikmah)??
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peace
if you went to the doctors, complaining of pain, and the doctor gave you 1 box of pills, and said "here is a box of pills and a cure"
where is the cure?
peace
If the doctor doesnt explain when, how and how many to take, you might just say I am sick i want this pain to disappear and will take 20 pills ovedose and die.
The cure is not just the pills but in the instruction, all medicine has toxicollogy studies to see what is a safe level and what has the most effect on a disease, and then doctors who assess you to see what best fits your needs. THey are part of the cure.
as you see from my example of the active ingredient (The pill) in this case the Quran, you need instructions or hikma as the Quran itself stated,to which explains what its teaching, which is the hadith,
you reject hadith, you reject half of the equation of Quran and hikma. you might just get it right but then you might get your self sick. the same applies spiritually if you are only using the Quran and using yourbiased vulnerable mental resource to interpret it vs the 'Hikmah' of Muhamad PBUH to do it for you (the Quran clearly details Muhamad's qualifications to do so). -
I read the section on Hikmah, he is not providing anything whatsover to disclaim that hikma is knowledge in addition to the Qruan. he quotes an ayat that is supposed to support this but see below for yusuf ali's version
Yusuf alis version
39. These are among the (precepts of) wisdom, which thy Lord has revealed to thee. Take not, with Allah, another object of worship, lest thou shouldst be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected.
his version
"This is of what your Sustainer has revealed to you of ?Hikmah? (wisdom), and do not associate any other god with Allah lest you should be thrown into hell, blamed, cast away." (1739)IF Allah intended for us to know that the wisdom that Muhamad (PBUH) is bringing is the Quran itself and only the Quran, why didnt the Quran say the Quran and its wisdom as opposed the quran and the wisdom(hikmah)??
Br. BCKnowledge
I think I might be able to clarify this a bit.
I'm sure you're familiar with the names of Allah in the Quran. We see a couple of them in 13 (Ar-Rahman, Ar-Raheem). These names define Allah's attributes, "The All-Compassionate", "The All-Merciful". I believe you will agree to that.
Similar, The Quran has different names which are mentioned in the Book, which indicate its attributes. It's been called Furqan (The Criterion) and Quran (The Reading) among other things. Hikmah (The Wisdom) is simply another attribute of the Quran, which alludes to its importance to the believers.
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becarefull- knowledge,
If you did in fact read all of the section on what is "hikma", you will have seen that "hikma" is an attribute of al-kitab, amongst other points made. But lets go to your apparent objection you have by quoting Yusuf Ali's translation. Please be aware Yusuf Ali is NOT the authority on Al Quran, and his translation is not perfect, like all translations. So, let me clarify for you
dhlika = singular masculine demonstrative pronoun
The above means it can only mean "this" or "that" NOT "these" so Yusuf Ali is 100% incorrect. So, let's translate it correctly
"This/that is of what your Sustainer has revealed to you of hikmah/wisdom...
It obviously refers to the ayatin/signs before this point. As you can see it clearly refutes your position.
Of course, that does not mean all possible hikma/wisdom is in Al Quran, as this claim would be nonsensical, hence the partitive "min" is used.
I recommend reading up on the history of hadith and sunna, e.g.
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htm -
Peace
Hikma is a very vast term which has been used in the Quran for the Quran itself ,for the Bible and Torah as well as for knowledge and science Practical and theoretical.- ( 1 / 686)
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As per Lane Lexicon
Knowledge or science ,knowledge of true nature of things and action according to the requirements thereof, and therefore it is divided into intellectual and practical or a state or quality ,of the intellectual faculty.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume2/00000253.pdf
Regards
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If the doctor doesnt explain when, how and how many to take, you might just say I am sick i want this pain to disappear and will take 20 pills ovedose and die.
The cure is not just the pills but in the instruction, all medicine has toxicollogy studies to see what is a safe level and what has the most effect on a disease, and then doctors who assess you to see what best fits your needs. THey are part of the cure.
as you see from my example of the active ingredient (The pill) in this case the Quran, you need instructions or hikma as the Quran itself stated,to which explains what its teaching, which is the hadith,
you reject hadith, you reject half of the equation of Quran and hikma. you might just get it right but then you might get your self sick. the same applies spiritually if you are only using the Quran and using yourbiased vulnerable mental resource to interpret it vs the 'Hikmah' of Muhamad PBUH to do it for you (the Quran clearly details Muhamad's qualifications to do so).Peace
Maybe the instructions are in with the pills? They usually are. Maybe you open the pills and didn't look hard enough for the intructions, in the excitement of it all.
So you think, "If the instructions are not in with the pills, then I will go looking elsewhere" so you go looking on the internet for the correct dosage and keep getting conflicting information.
By the way, have you ever thought about this statement? "The Qur'an is the authentic Hadith"
Hope this helps
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us aright.
Peace
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Peace
Maybe the instructions are in with the pills? They usually are. Maybe you open the pills and didn't look hard enough for the intructions, in the excitement of it all.
So you think, "If the instructions are not in with the pills, then I will go looking elsewhere" so you go looking on the internet for the correct dosage and keep getting conflicting information.
By the way, have you ever thought about this statement? "The Qur'an is the authentic Hadith"
Hope this helps
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us aright.
Peace
Sorry Quran alone is not enough we need tempt
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By the way, have you ever thought about this statement? "The Qur'an is the authentic Hadith"
I heard this concept in these forums, The Quran is authentic from Allah, the hadith are authentic (most) from Muhamad. If taken as a whole will put you in a certain direction but as some people do picking and choosing can take you anywhere because just like the Quran, the hadith have time, perspective and additional background specifics that need consideration before deciphiring the meanings.
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As per Lane Lexicon
Knowledge or science ,knowledge of true nature of things and action according to the requirements thereof, and therefore it is divided into intellectual and practical or a state or quality ,of the intellectual faculty.
RegardsTo be honest the above definition looks pretty reflective of the prophet's hadiths. 'knowledge of the tru nature of things...divided into intelectual and practical'.
the hadith are exactly that if not more , I have uncovered so much intelectually from hadith into the spiritual world, the material world and especially social settings, and there is alot of inherrent practicality in them.
I will like to restate as I have early on, I am very new and learning this religion and will try to be cautious to not state anything of authoritive nature on a scholarly level about hadiths, but I am amazed with the little that i know from khutbas and readings. THey have a central voice,
the hadiths that I dont understand or feel comfortable with I am patient to get the guidance to their wisdome if they are indeed from the prophet (PBUH) if not to avoid them. -
becarefull- knowledge,
If you did in fact read all of the section on what is "hikma", you will have seen that "hikma" is an attribute of al-kitab, amongst other points made. But lets go to your apparent objection you have by quoting Yusuf Ali's translation. Please be aware Yusuf Ali is NOT the authority on Al Quran, and his translation is not perfect, like all translations. So, let me clarify for you
dhlika = singular masculine demonstrative pronoun
The above means it can only mean "this" or "that" NOT "these" so Yusuf Ali is 100% incorrect. So, let's translate it correctly
"This/that is of what your Sustainer has revealed to you of hikmah/wisdom...
Of course, that does not mean all possible hikma/wisdom is in Al Quran, as this claim would be nonsensical, hence the partitive "min" is used.
I recommend reading up on the history of hadith and sunna, e.g.
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htmI am not an arabic linguist/english scholar to play into various translations, I hope to one day investigate furhter the various translations of the Quran. but lets get 2 more translations.
"This is (part) of that wisdom wherewith thy Lord hath inspired thee (O Muhammad). And set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell, reproved, abandoned"
Piktal
This is (part) of Al-Hikmah (wisdom, good manners and high character) which your Lord has revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW )
Dr MohsinTHis is part of the hikma. the knowledge or whatever definiithion you give to hikma is in the Quran. everything in the hadith as a message is in the quran also. there are rules in the quran there are rules inthe hadith. there are wisdom into things we cant see in the quran same in the hadith. there are practical application type instructions in the quran same in the hadith.
off course there is hikma in the quran but also in hadith as the above ayats state this is of or part of the hikma provided to you ( portion of it, meaning there is more) you guys are only taking this portion and leaving out the remaining hikma provided to Muhamad (PBUH) -
peace becarefull knowledge
i found this as i was reading sura 18 tonight, and i thought of you...
1854 THUS, INDEED, have We given in this Qur'an many facets to every kind of lesson for mankind. However, man is, above all else, always given to contention
apologies for not using capitals, i am feeding my baby, so typing with one hand again!
do you know about this website, where you can compare different translations of the Qur'an and it has a search function too? it might be useful to you. i use it very often. http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/
may Allah guide us to the straight path, increasing us with knowledge and patience
peace
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Adding to the list that goes on and on
- Ablution
56 O you who acknowledge, when you rise to attend the contact prayer, then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you could not find water, then you shall do ablution from clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands. God does not want to make any hardship over you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be appreciative.
Is this how you do your ablution?
Yep
Next point dietary laws
2173 He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, the blood, the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. Whoever finds himself forced out of need and without disobedience or animosity, there is no sin upon him. God is Forgiving, Compassionate.
Are these your only rules or did you add to God's law, which is, btw, idolatry?
I follow the sunna which is God's law as long it came from muhamad (PBUH) (i did not make it up) in addition i follow the law of the U.S the country i reside in. I am sure you follow more laws that 'God law', if so by your definition you are an idolator.
To answer your question, I follow everything in the above ayat.2174 Surely, those who conceal what God has sent down of the book, and purchase with it a cheap price; they will not eat into their stomachs except the fire, and God will not speak to them on the day of Resurrection, nor will He purify them, and they will have a painful retribution.
I accept 100% of that God has sent down in his book, this is very powerful ayat because some people in todays society are under pressure socially economically and emotionally from being muslims in an non muslim nation, being viewed as potential terrorrist or even not getting the same love as the others (hindus, atheist or even christians/jews).
Some people will conceal of what GOd has sent down to gain acceptance to separate themselve from the bad images (cheap price), but I see these people they are clowned even in this life before the hereafter. -
1854 THUS, INDEED, have We given in this Qur'an many facets to every kind of lesson for mankind. However, man is, above all else, always given to contention
may Allah guide us to the straight path, increasing us with knowledge and patience
peace
Well you know mothers are the original multitaskers, thanks for that website funny that I came accross it earlier and used it 10 minutes ago to post 2 different translations..
As i mentioned, there is no arguing the fact that the quran is full of wisdom, dare imention one hadith that states that wisdom in the quran will not be fully extracted from now until the final days ( not an exact quote).
I just believe that God has provided Muhamad (the prophet) part of this knowledge as in the ayat quted by Wakas
"This/that is of what your Sustainer has revealed to you of hikmah/wisdom...
this is what God has revealed to MUhamad (this aludes to the Quran) in this quran there is what you have quoted above in 1854 but other ayats ( i cant quote readily) Allah describes what he has given to Muhamad specifically (wisdom) to judge and teach
