More (gasp!) Women In Hell?
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in a way, the hadith that says this may be true to some extent.
perhaps it was just a misinterpretation of a future events that the prophet saw while having an obe.
in the astral realms he could have seen women suffering in hell,
but what is hell really, it's a state of mind which can be experienced here on earth,
and if you think about it, there are a lot of women in the world suffering, seems like there's more women then men in "hell" here. but then again that's my opinion, seems the only logical possibility.Peace,
Respectfully.Don't follow sahih hadith by Bukhary or Muslim because -
"Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless HADITH, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution." 316
"God has revealed herein the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent and points out both ways (to heaven and hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; he bestows it upon whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them." 3923
"These are God's revelations (Quran) that we recite to you truthfully. In which HADITH other than God and His revelations do they believe?" 456
"Let them produce a HADITH like this (Quran) if they are truthful." 5234
"Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this HADITH(Quran); we will lead them on whence they never perceive." 6844
"Which HADITH other than this do they uphold?" 7750
Why did God permitted these so called Hadiths ? The answer is in next verse.
"We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other FANCY WORDS , in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their FABRICATIONS. This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such FABRICATIONS, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.
And by the way, brother nerspi, what's with the picture you're sharing with us, what's going on there, the demon and angel or is it Stallone and Snipes ....again.
Peace.
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Salam to all
Isn't there a hadith that says that every man will get two human wives in addition to some 69-72 houris. There are other hadiths (as mentioned in this thread) that there are more women than men in heaven. Considering that there are about equal numbers of males and females born in this world in all eras, doesn't it make it logically impossible for both the hadiths to be true?
This sounds like a glaring contradiction.
From Muhammad Asad's translation of the Quran we have
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Will they not, then, try to understand this Qur?an? Had it issued from any but God, they would surely have found in it many an inner contradiction!*
*I.e., the fact that it is free of all inner contradictions - in spite of its having been revealed gradually, over a period of twenty-three years - should convince them that it has not been "composed by Muhammad" (an accusation frequently levelled against him not only by his contemporaries but also by non-believers of later times), but could only have originated from a supra-human source. See also 25 32 and 39 23.)
The difference between the hadith collections and the great Quran become very clear after just a cursory reading of both.
Peace
Sarah
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Salam to all
Isn't there a hadith that says that every man will get two human wives in addition to some 69-72 houris. There are other hadiths (as mentioned in this thread) that there are more women than men in heaven. Considering that there are about equal numbers of males and females born in this world in all eras, doesn't it make it logically impossible for both the hadiths to be true?
This sounds like a glaring contradiction.
It is a contradiction. hadhith contain 100s of contradictions. brickwall
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Isn't there a hadith that says that every man will get two human wives in addition to some 69-72 houris. There are other hadiths (as mentioned in this thread) that there are more women than men in heaven. Considering that there are about equal numbers of males and females born in this world in all eras, doesn't it make it logically impossible for both the hadiths to be true?
This sounds like a glaring contradiction.
That is a glaring contradiction bravo
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The idiots will say "those women are not really women, they are "houris" which are better than women, therefore the notion that these sex objects are women is misleading. They are only for the pleasure of the mujahideen (who are technically ignorant, despised hairy apes) and most women will be in hell for their mental and religious deficiency."
rotfl laugh elektro
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The idiots will say "those women are not really women, they are "houris" which are better than women, therefore the notion that these sex objects are women is misleading. They are only for the pleasure of the mujahideen (who are technically ignorant, despised hairy apes) and most women will be in hell for their mental and religious deficiency."
rotfl laugh elektro
rotfl elektro now that is funny.
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The idiots will say "those women are not really women, they are "houris" which are better than women, therefore the notion that these sex objects are women is misleading. They are only for the pleasure of the mujahideen (who are technically ignorant, despised hairy apes) and most women will be in hell for their mental and religious deficiency."
rotfl laugh elektro
Now that amazes me that someone would believe all that.
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Why not?
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Devout sunni's believe the majority opinion/established opinion by scholars. Therefore yes, they believe more women are in hell than men (which isn't a surprise since sexist, ignorant men fabricated the hadith regarding this and all hadith in general, besides God's of course).
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They do not believe the houris are actual women who have lived on this planet.
Therefore that opinion is exactly what they would say. In fact it is pretty much an actual (fabricated) hadith.
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Why not?
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Devout sunni's believe the majority opinion/established opinion by scholars. Therefore yes, they believe more women are in hell than men (which isn't a surprise since sexist, ignorant men fabricated the hadith regarding this and all hadith in general, besides God's of course).
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They do not believe the houris are actual women who have lived on this planet.
Therefore that opinion is exactly what they would say. In fact it is pretty much an actual (fabricated) hadith.
Wow! wow
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The idiots will say "those women are not really women, they are "houris" which are better than women, therefore the notion that these sex objects are women is misleading. They are only for the pleasure of the mujahideen (who are technically ignorant, despised hairy apes) and most women will be in hell for their mental and religious deficiency."
rotfl laugh elektro
haha.
so true.
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I think some out there don't believe in this exact meaning though.
I like her take on it http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYoNDgB-jDU (lol my comment owns amirite?)
And her's http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEcNaVkQUx4
And...his?! http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxWVkhLIBi8
Actually, I think the general sunni consenus is that they aren't...dumb....or less intelligent. However the general consensus that they are the majority in hell is still funny. So it's easier to go to hell for not being thankful enough to your husband than it is for cleansing Europe of Jews via torture camps and driving planes into buildings killing hundreds of unsuspecting people.
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If you look at the history of the human beings, you'll see that it was men and still are the men who cause all the problems in the world in every single area/department
George Bush and son,
Saddam Hussein,
Taliban,
Usama bin Laden,
Stalin,
Lenin,
Adolph Hitler,
Mussollini,
Slobodan Milosevic,
Radovan Karadzic,
Ratko Mladic,
Vojislav Seselj,
Nikolai Cheuchecsku,I'm sorry, but that's not true. Men are usually "leaders" that is the only reason why it seems that men are "war-mongerers" or whatever. What about Thatcher?!
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What about Margaret Thatcher?
yeah, what about her? I've seen her as a great person, at least in history books.
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God only revealed one book. Let's think for a moment, the devil has an opinion right? Would you then give his opinion
credence because he has a right to it? I hope not.
READ YOUR QURAN!This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.
These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?
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GOD cites the example of a man who deals with disputing partners (Hadith), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (Quran). Are they the same? Praise be to GOD; most of them do not know.Peace
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nobody can actually say for certain where is more of whom. but then again, according to some, and i'm slowly starting to agree, everybody will eventually go to "heaven" so it really doesn't matter.
although for now, in this reality it may be more women in "hell" (state)... but that hell being experienced on this earth.
but that won't last, eventually it'll be more men, it varies, so we can't say for sure.
that's the problem with hadith, writers of them apparently didn't understand much about nature, world... how it all works. that's why it's filled with such absurdities that go against pretty much everything from quran to logic to nature... i mean i actually heard them say it says there a bull is holding the earth on his head... c-c-c...nevertheless ceratin ones that may be true in a way, were probably misinterpreted. like this more women in hell. also, that one that says however you kill yourself here you will kill yourself like that in the afterlife...over and over and over.
i think that could also be true in some way, like, someone kills himself, and in next universe, one that would be created same as this one, another earth would be created with same evolution, same humans come and he'd be in that same body (because he didn't develope to a higher level, so he's stuck) and he'd live same life, come to same point and kill himself like that again, and after that universe dies out, a new one is created, and another earth and another evolution and another set of humans and he comes in yet the same body (because he's in a state of hell, place of no evolution, he can't make progress) and he'd do it again.
so perhaps the prophet saw a vision of such a man living a horrible life (of hell) and kills himself, and he saw the cycle of this and saw him keep killing himself over and over, and someone heard this, another guy wrote it down, it became a hadith... a misinterpreted hadith.wow, me and my imagination, hehe
And by the way, brother nerspi, what's with the picture you're sharing with us, what's going on there, the demon and angel or is it Stallone and Snipes ....again.
it's a sign of a gemini, hehe two sides, good vs evil, blabla... hehehe
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Peace,
nobody can actually say for certain where is more of whom. but then again, according to some, and i'm slowly starting to agree, everybody will eventually go to "heaven" so it really doesn't matter.
Waqaloo lan tamassana alnnaru illa ayyaman maAAdoodatan qul attakhathtum AAinda Allahi AAahdan falan yukhlifa Allahu AAahdahu am taqooloona AAala Allahi ma la taAAlamoona
280 And they say "The Fire shall not touch us only days NUMBERED" Say "Did you take at God a promise, so God will not break His promise, or are you saying on God what you do not know?"
Thalika biannahum qaloo lan tamassana alnnaru illa ayyaman maAAdoodatin wagharrahum fee deenihim ma kanoo yaftaroona
324 This because they say "The Fire shall not touch us only days NUMBERED" and deceived them in their religion what they were fabricating.
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Peace,
Waqaloo lan tamassana alnnaru illa ayyaman maAAdoodatan qul attakhathtum AAinda Allahi AAahdan falan yukhlifa Allahu AAahdahu am taqooloona AAala Allahi ma la taAAlamoona
280 And they say "The Fire shall not touch us only days NUMBERED" Say "Did you take at God a promise, so God will not break His promise, or are you saying on God what you do not know?"
Thalika biannahum qaloo lan tamassana alnnaru illa ayyaman maAAdoodatin wagharrahum fee deenihim ma kanoo yaftaroona
324 This because they say "The Fire shall not touch us only days NUMBERED" and deceived them in their religion what they were fabricating.
Aren't those verses referring specifically to what the Jews said/say?