At what time we should break the fast?
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Heo and peace everyone.
I totally agree with Siki. The quran says this in 11114 - "And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember.".Here it is describing two ends of the DAY in which prayer should be perfomed. the two ends of the DAY are known by most muslims as Maghrib and Fajr prayers. Therefore the time period in which Maghrib prayer can be offered, is still part of the DAY.
However, in Quran 2187 we are told to break our fast in the LAYL, which means Night. Therefore, if i break my fast during the time which Magrhib prayer can be offered, then i am techinacally breaking my fast in the day.
Therefore we must break our fast when Magrhib time finishes. (Maghrib finishes when Isha starts, so we should break our fast in Isha time)
Peace )
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peace mino-taur,
You say on the one hand "two ends of the day", but on the other, say "is still part of the day". Is the day's end still part of the day?
An analogy...
If am standing underneath a doorway, separating room A (lets call this the "day" room) and room B (lets call this the "night" room), am I, according to you- in the day room?
- in the night room?
- in both rooms at the same time?
- at the edge of the day room and at the edge of the night room, thus strictly speaking, in neither?
- something else - if so, please elaborate.
Thanks.
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Peace Wakas
I see where you have Misunderstood me here. Right, this might take a bit of time as im not very good at conveying ideas and thoughts through the internet. The short awnswer to your question; "Is the day's end still part of the day?" is yes. The end of the day, is still part of the day. This is the same as saying, is the end of a rope still part of the rope?
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I will go with answer number 4. You would be in neither room.
Thanks for the reply.
Please note your rope analogy is not correct, as time/day is something continuous. For example, for your rope analogy to be more accurate you would have to say there is one rope joined together at the ends, so it is a continuous loop/circle, and there are different sections on the rope circle, e.g. night, day, twilight etc, the end/edge of one section is also the edge/end of another section. In other words "answer number 4".
Therefore, your original point is not valid in my view. And your answer to my analogy confirms it.
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Peace Wakas
Ok, let me explain it this way. Say you had a circular piece of rope. and there were five coloured sections (white, black, blue, red and green). Each colour represents a type of prayer (Zuhr, Asr, Maghrib, Isha and Fajr). Ok, now imagine that you walk around this rope at a steady speed, constantly. Now, everytime you are in a different section, you have to recite some of the quran. You do not have to recite the quran when you immediately enter a new coloured section, you can recite it, halfway through the coloured section if you want, or just before you enter a new coloured section!
Ok, now as i said earlier, the Quran shows us that Maghrib prayer time is done in the DAY. So, all of the Maghrib coloured section is part of the Day, including the very last part of it. Therefore, if you were fasting, whilst walking in the Maghrib coloured section, and decided to break your fast whilst walking in that section, then you would be breaking your fast in the DAY. This is not in concordance with the Quran, as it tells us to break our fast in the night.
This is how i sort of Understand in my brain. Also, if you have the time, please look at this link http//www.quranicpath.com/misconceptions/breaking_fast.html
Sorry for the late reply Wakas, and sorry for the lengthy analogy. I'm not very good at explaning things!
Peace )
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peace mino-taur,
I do not consider your analogy sound, and you mistake the Arabic when you say "Quran shows us that Maghrib prayer time is done in the DAY", when it actually says "(at) the two edges/ends of the day". And as you answered in my analogy, being at the edge/end of one part is being at the edge/end of another part, thus in neither.
And thanks for the link to the quranicpath article, however it is poor. Firstly, it does not define what it means by "sunset", as later says "during sunset" as if that is the argument, does not mention redundant wording such as "ghasaq", implies "maghrib as-shams" can mean "sunset" when the verse clearly shows it means "setting" not "set", does not cover other relevant verses such as 3637 etc etc. Almost all of these issues have been discussed on this forum before.
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Peace to everyone who said peace.
I currently believe that fast time is after sunset
in 3637 we see that the sign of the night is by the INSALAKHA (gradual removal, or stripping) of light... (I.e Night still has some light in it. and that Night BEGINS when the light is removed = when the sun sets, light is gradually removed) -
Peace to everyone who said peace.
I currently believe that fast time is after sunset
in 3637 we see that the sign of the night is by the INSALAKHA (gradual removal, or stripping) of light... (I.e Night still has some light in it. and that Night BEGINS when the light is removed = when the sun sets, light is gradually removed)please explain further. Do you mean that you shall fast during night time?
