What if you kill a non-believer?

Rami

493 And it is not for a believer to kill another believer except by accident. And whoever kills a believer by accident, then he shall set free a believing slave, and give compensation to the family; except if they remit it. If he was from a people who are enemies to you, and he was a believer, then you shall set free a believing slave. And if he was from a people between whom you had a covenant, then a compensation to his family, and set free a believing slave. Whoever does not find, then the fasting of two months sequentially as a repentance from God; God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
493 And whoever kills a believer intentionally, then his reward shall be Hell, eternally abiding therein, and God will be angry with him, and curse him, and for him is prepared a great retribution.

What happens if you kill a non-believer? Thats the question. voodoo

MUNZIR_ALI

493 And it is not for a believer to kill another believer except by accident. And whoever kills a believer by accident, then he shall set free a believing slave, and give compensation to the family; except if they remit it. If he was from a people who are enemies to you, and he was a believer, then you shall set free a believing slave. And if he was from a people between whom you had a covenant, then a compensation to his family, and set free a believing slave. Whoever does not find, then the fasting of two months sequentially as a repentance from God; God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
493 And whoever kills a believer intentionally, then his reward shall be Hell, eternally abiding therein, and God will be angry with him, and curse him, and for him is prepared a great retribution.

What happens if you kill a non-believer? Thats the question. voodoo

My islam teacher told me killing karfirs can earn you sawab in the cause of jihad.

Rami

My islam teacher told me killing karfirs can earn you sawab in the cause of jihad.

lol. Yeah that what the Jihad brothers say. Frankly, they are having some evidence in the Quran.

DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

His argument is logical, if you are not Muslim, you are a Mujrim!

No Peace.

Alen

Peace,
Respectfully.

527 And recite to them the news of the two sons of Adam with truth. They had both made an offering, and it was accepted from one of them, and not accepted from the other. He said I will kill you! He said God only accepts from the righteous.
528 If you stretch your hand to kill me, I will not stretch my hand to kill you, for I fear God, the Lord of the worlds.
529 I want you to have both my sin and your own sin, and you will then be among the dwellers of the Fire. Such is the recompense of the wicked.
530 So he found it in himself to kill his brother; so he killed him. He thus became one of the losers.
531 So God sent forth a raven to scratch the land and show him how to deal with the body of his brother. He said Woe to me! Am I not even able to be like this raven and deal with the body of my brother? So he became of those who regretted.
532 It is because of this that We have decreed for the Children of Israel Anyone who kills a person for other than murder, or corruption in the land; then it is as if he has killed all the people! And whoever spares a life, then it is as if he has given life to all the people. Our messengers had come to them with clarities, but many of them are, after this, still corrupting on the earth.

More?
God bless you.
Peace.

Rami

Peace,
Respectfully.

527 And recite to them the news of the two sons of Adam with truth. They had both made an offering, and it was accepted from one of them, and not accepted from the other. He said I will kill you! He said God only accepts from the righteous.
528 If you stretch your hand to kill me, I will not stretch my hand to kill you, for I fear God, the Lord of the worlds.
529 I want you to have both my sin and your own sin, and you will then be among the dwellers of the Fire. Such is the recompense of the wicked.
530 So he found it in himself to kill his brother; so he killed him. He thus became one of the losers.
531 So God sent forth a raven to scratch the land and show him how to deal with the body of his brother. He said Woe to me! Am I not even able to be like this raven and deal with the body of my brother? So he became of those who regretted.
532 It is because of this that We have decreed for the Children of Israel Anyone who kills a person for other than murder, or corruption in the land; then it is as if he has killed all the people! And whoever spares a life, then it is as if he has given life to all the people. Our messengers had come to them with clarities, but many of them are, after this, still corrupting on the earth.

More?
God bless you.
Peace.

But what if I kill a disbeliever by mistake, what am I supposed to do to be forgiven?

And I can use cross-reference to say that the nafs in the verse you quoted is the believing nafs. Right?

Non-muslims are causing corruption in the land so they must be fought.

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=C73ePf_2KVw&feature=related

peace

Jafar

What happens if you kill a non-believer? Thats the question. voodoo

You'll earn yourself paradise with 72 virgins when you die..

Now what would happens if you kill TWO non-believers..
Then you'll earn yourself paradise with 144 virgins when you die..

That's the math...

Now.. how would you know when the person you're about to kill is a believer or non believer?

Ask them the following

Man Rabbuka .. the correct answer Allah
Man Nabbiya... the correct answer Muhammad Rasullulah Shallalahu Allaihi Wassalam..

If the person doesn't answer ANY of the above questions correctly (yes.. that includes if the person doesn't understand the question, since the question is in Arabic) then he/she is eligible to be killed. And you'll earn your paradise with x virgins.. voodoo

Salam / Peace

Rami

You'll earn yourself paradise with 72 virgins when you die..

Now what would happens if you kill TWO non-believers..
Then you'll earn yourself paradise with 144 virgins when you die..

That's the math...

Now.. how would you know when the person you're about to kill is a believer or non believer?

Ask them the following

Man Rabbuka .. the correct answer Allah
Man Nabbiya... the correct answer Muhammad Rasullulah Shallalahu Allaihi Wassalam..

If the person doesn't answer ANY of the above questions correctly (yes.. that includes if the person doesn't understand the question, since the question is in Arabic) then he/she is eligible to be killed. And you'll earn your paradise with x virgins.. voodoo

Salam / Peace

Hahhahahha I read these stories in the past. They are even more detailed than this. It gets worse.

Anyway, what is the penalty if you kill a non-believer by mistake? Is there a law for that?

Rev_John

You'll earn yourself paradise with 72 virgins when you die..

Now what would happens if you kill TWO non-believers..
Then you'll earn yourself paradise with 144 virgins when you die..

That's the math...

Now.. how would you know when the person you're about to kill is a believer or non believer?

Ask them the following

Man Rabbuka .. the correct answer Allah
Man Nabbiya... the correct answer Muhammad Rasullulah Shallalahu Allaihi Wassalam..

If the person doesn't answer ANY of the above questions correctly (yes.. that includes if the person doesn't understand the question, since the question is in Arabic) then he/she is eligible to be killed. And you'll earn your paradise with x virgins.. voodoo

Salam / Peace

So that would get me killed?

Jafar

So that would get me killed? o o

Yes Rev John... better start learn Arabic from now.... since it is the 'lingua franca' in Heaven....
That's why we never cursed in Arabic.. (Cos God and all the angels in heaven would recognize it straight away)
We always cursed in English... laugh

Salam / Peace

Rev_John

Yes Rev John... better start learn Arabic from now.... since it is the 'lingua franca' in Heaven....
That's why we never cursed in Arabic.. (Cos God and all the angels in heaven would recognize it straight away)
We always cursed in English... laugh

Salam / Peace

laugh So what do those questions and answers actually mean?

Jafar

Hahhahahha I read these stories in the past. They are even more detailed than this. It gets worse.

Anyway, what is the penalty if you kill a non-believer by mistake? Is there a law for that?

Thank you for your appreciation of my satirical, yet derived from true-real life experiences, comics..

Regarding to the question;
In the Quran you can read a story of Moses 'mistakenly' murder a GOYIM Egyptians.
(GOYIM a pejoratively label in jewish culture to a non-jew, doomed-to-hell scum, similar to the KAFIR labelling)
I let you derived the wisdom by yourself, based on that story... on what actually happens to Moses afterward..

Salam / Peace

Jafar

laugh So what do those questions and answers actually mean?

You mean this?

Man Rabbuka .. the correct answer Allah
Man Nabbiya... the correct answer Muhammad Rasullulah Shallalahu Allaihi Wassalam..

It is actually based on a myth widely believed by Sunniism society regarding the Q&A session in the grave after we die..

Which actually based on ancient, pagan egyptians mythology of "Judgement To The Soul In The Grave By Osiris", with slight modification of course..

Translated it means

Who Is Your God
Who Is Your Prophet

Sunni believes when a soul answer those questions correctly, then he/she would earn their place in paradise, otherwise the questioning angel will struck him with his club and torture the soul until the day of (yet another) judgement by God.

More info on the 'original' Osiris myth
http//www.unexplainedstuff.com/Religious-Phenomena/Egyptian-Mystery-Schools-Osiris.html

Salam / Peace

Rev_John

You mean this?

Man Rabbuka .. the correct answer Allah
Man Nabbiya... the correct answer Muhammad Rasullulah Shallalahu Allaihi Wassalam..

It is actually based on a myth widely believed by Sunniism society regarding the Q&A session in the grave after we die..

Which actually based on ancient, pagan egyptians mythology of "Judgement To The Soul In The Grave By Osiris", with slight modification of course..

Translated it means

Who Is Your God
Who Is Your Prophet

Sunni believes when a soul answer those questions correctly, then he/she would earn their place in paradise, otherwise the questioning angel will struck him with his club and torture the soul until the day of (yet another) judgement by God.

More info on the 'original' Osiris myth
http//www.unexplainedstuff.com/Religious-Phenomena/Egyptian-Mystery-Schools-Osiris.html

Salam / Peace

Thank you, interesting.

Alen

But what if I kill a disbeliever by mistake, what am I supposed to do to be forgiven?
And I can use cross-reference to say that the nafs in the verse you quoted is the believing nafs. Right?
Non-muslims are causing corruption in the land so they must be fought.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=C73ePf_2KVw&feature=related
peace

Peace,
Respectfully.

Well, obviously, there is a difference between a Believer, disbeliever and a wrongbeliever.
We should also be aware of the Fact that The Exalted God The Most Wise is also The Most Merciful

3953 Say O My servants who transgressed against themselves, do not despair of the mercy of God. For God forgives all sins. He is the Forgiver, the Merciful.

Also

4116 God does not forgive that partners be set up with Him, and He forgives other than that for whom He pleases. Whoever sets up partners with God has indeed strayed a far straying.

Also, Thou shalt not kill. (Deuteronomy 517, KJV).

The Exalted God is The Most Merciful, The Most Wise, and if you have killed a nonbeliever (atheist) by mistake, then He AllMighty knows it, right?
If you have killed him on purpose, that's another case.
If you kill a wrongbeliever by accident or on purpose, God will judge you and i think in any of these cases, you should always seek God's help and pray for forgivness, if it was an accident.
I'm not saying that you should kill or that you have done it, just speaking generally.

God bless you.
Peace.

Rami

Thou shalt not kill. (Deuteronomy 517, KJV)

This commandment is only for your fellow Israelite. They didn't show any mercy to the inhabitants of Canaan. They took them all out.

Rev_John

This commandment is only for your fellow Israelite. They didn't show any mercy to the inhabitants of Canaan. They took them all out. o

There is not much mercy shown in any war or conflict.

unknownuser

493 And it is not for a believer to kill another believer except by accident. And whoever kills a believer by accident, then he shall set free a believing slave, and give compensation to the family; except if they remit it. If he was from a people who are enemies to you, and he was a believer, then you shall set free a believing slave. And if he was from a people between whom you had a covenant, then a compensation to his family, and set free a believing slave. Whoever does not find, then the fasting of two months sequentially as a repentance from God; God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
493 And whoever kills a believer intentionally, then his reward shall be Hell, eternally abiding therein, and God will be angry with him, and curse him, and for him is prepared a great retribution.

What happens if you kill a non-believer? Thats the question. voodoo

I don't think in this verse means believer. one of the attributes of God is - is God a believer? Also I could not understand the red part, how come one is a believer and also among the people who are enemies?

Rami

I don't think in this verse means believer. one of the attributes of God is - is God a believer? Also I could not understand the red part, how come one is a believer and also among the people who are enemies?

Yes, thats a very possible meaning. Some say that 'Momin' means safe or secure in these verses. Therefore, the peaceful citizen you shall not kill.

Regarding the red part, this is probably a man who joined the believers but his original clan is an enemy to ours. hmm

Damn, we have to apply these things. We are barely understanding it. D

Rami

There is not much mercy shown in any war or conflict.

Frankly, there was no much mercy in the OT. We don't get in the way of God's real estate dealings and live to talk about. rotfl

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

one of the attributes of God is - is God a believer? Also I could not understand the red part, how come one is a believer and also among the people who are enemies?

Which verse is this? Also, I think "trust" is a better translation than "belief" for "iman".

Alif-Meem-Nun = become/feel safe/secure, state of security/safety, trust, become quiet/tranquil in heart/mind, become free of expectation of evil or free of an object of dislike/hatred, promise/assurance of security/safety, become trustful/faithful/confident, to believe/acknowledge it, manifestation of humility/submission.