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You think deleting 2 verses is bad enough...

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    nsws1988
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    Also, interestingly enough, they opted for deleting 443, which is about ablution and what nullifies it!

    I think they misunderstood the meaning of 'touched the women', as if women are dirty creatures.

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      I think they misunderstood the meaning of 'touched the women', as if women are dirty creatures.

      What can I say? They are talking the literal meaning.

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        he following verses promote divisiveness and religious hatred, bigotry and discrimination. They must be either removed from the Koran or declared outdated and invalid, and marked as such.

        ? 1.6 The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.

        ............................

        http//19.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&86/&th=7643&goto=52179#msg_52179

        amar wrote on Sun, 09 August 2009 0028

        Salaam my dear brothers H.O., Pierre, and all,

        Five years ago I thought one day when the Quran ?e-version? is completely corrected of misspells, and all letters are replaced with their corresponding gematrical values, that the complete Quran numerical sequence would be one way or another multiple of 19. Well brothers and sisters, it is! With God?s Will and contributions from a lot of Truth seekers, the e-version Quran is finally corrected!

        We already know of the mathematical miracle on the numerical combinations of very long numbers when just the chapters and verses numbers are used. Well these numbers become super-long-numbers when # of words, sequence of words, # of letters, sequence of letters GV, and total word GV are appended to them. This super-long-number (over 1 million digits) is a MULTIPLE of 19!

        The same approach as with the chapters-verses sequences from RK?s Appendix 1 ?Superhuman Numerical Combinations? was used.

        Example of a long-number (13,038 digits) using all verses (including unnumbered bismallah designated by verse no 0) from www.submission.org. Pattern chapter no. followed by no. of verses in chapter, followed by sequence of verses in chapter. Sequence chapter 1 followed by chapter 2, ? , chapter 114 1 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 2 286 0 1 2 3 4 ? 114 6 0 1 2 3 4 5 6. We already know this sequence is a multiple of 19.

        Presented below are 3 new facts. This is just the tip of the iceberg, and God?s Will new physical facts will surface in the future.

        The latest excel file (including unnumbered verses. i.e. bismallah designated verse no. 0) that H.O. and I have recently completed is used for the following calculations.

        FACT 1 the number of words in each verse is correct. (There are 77,404 words in the 6234 numbered verses.)
        Pattern1 chapter no. followed by #of verses, followed by verse no. and #of words in verse, ?
        Sequence1 1 7 1 4 2 4 3 2 4 3 5 4 6 3 7 9 2 286 0 4 1 1 2 7 ? 114 6 0 4 1 4 2 2 3 2 4 4 5 5 6 3. A sequence of 22,717 digits is a MULTIPLE of 19! So adding or subtracting a single word would fail the trial. Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe.

        FACT 2 the number of letters in each word is correct (There are 326,030 letters in the 6234 numbered verses.)
        Pattern2 pattern 1 followed by #of letters in verse, followed by word no. and #of letters in word, ..
        Sequence2 1 7 1 4 19 1 3 2 4 3 6 4 6 2 4 17 1 5 2 3 3 2 4 7 ? 2 286 0 4 19 1 3 2 4 3 6 4 6 1 1 3 1 3 2 7 26 1 3 2 5 3 2 4 3 5 3 6 3 7 7 ? 114 6 0 4 19 1 3 2 4 3 6 4 6 1 4 14 1 2 2 4 3 3 4 5 2 2 8 1 3 2 5 3 2 8 1 3 2 5 ... A sequence of 223,300 digits is also a MULTIPLE of 19! Again adding / subtracting a single letter would fail the trial. Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe.

        FACT 3 the letter at each position in the word is correct
        Pattern3 same as pattern 2, except insert after each #of letters GV sentence of word followed by GV of word ?
        Sequence 1 7 1 4 19 1 3 26040 102 2 4 130305 66 3 6 13020084050 329 4 6 13020081040 289 2 4 17 1 5 1308404 83 2 3 30305 65 3 2 2002 202 4 7 1307030401050 231 ? 2 286 0 4 19 1 3 26040 102 2 4 130305 66 3 6 13020084050 329 4 6 13020081040 289 1 1 3 1 3 13040 71 2 7 26 1 3 7003020 750 2 5 130204002 453 3 2 301 31 4 3 200102 212 5 3 80105 95 6 3 5410 19 7 7 3030404001001050 660 ? 114 6 0 4 19 1 3 26040 102 2 4 130305 66 3 6 13020084050 329 4 6 13020081040 289 1 4 14 1 2 10030 130 2 4 1706700 777 3 3 22002 204 4 5 13050160 142 2 2 8 1 3 403020 90 2 5 13050160 142 3 2 8 1 3 1305 36 2 5 13050160 142 ... A sequence of 1,005,248 digits and a MULTIPLE of 19! Interchange a single letter and the trial would fail. Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe.

        I?m attaching 2 zipped files containing input and output files for the 3 above facts. (Use Num19 program from www.submission.org to verify), and an excel file named e-Quran.xls containing Quran and all the above.

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          http//19.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&86/&th=7643&goto=52179#msg_52179

          amar wrote on Sun, 09 August 2009 0028

          Salaam my dear brothers H.O., Pierre, and all,

          Five years ago I thought one day when the Quran ?e-version? is completely corrected of misspells, and all letters are replaced with their corresponding gematrical values, that the complete Quran numerical sequence would be one way or another multiple of 19. Well brothers and sisters, it is! With God?s Will and contributions from a lot of Truth seekers, the e-version Quran is finally corrected!

          We already know of the mathematical miracle on the numerical combinations of very long numbers when just the chapters and verses numbers are used. Well these numbers become super-long-numbers when # of words, sequence of words, # of letters, sequence of letters GV, and total word GV are appended to them. This super-long-number (over 1 million digits) is a MULTIPLE of 19!

          The same approach as with the chapters-verses sequences from RK?s Appendix 1 ?Superhuman Numerical Combinations? was used.

          Example of a long-number (13,038 digits) using all verses (including unnumbered bismallah designated by verse no 0) from www.submission.org. Pattern chapter no. followed by no. of verses in chapter, followed by sequence of verses in chapter. Sequence chapter 1 followed by chapter 2, ? , chapter 114 1 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 2 286 0 1 2 3 4 ? 114 6 0 1 2 3 4 5 6. We already know this sequence is a multiple of 19.

          Presented below are 3 new facts. This is just the tip of the iceberg, and God?s Will new physical facts will surface in the future.

          The latest excel file (including unnumbered verses. i.e. bismallah designated verse no. 0) that H.O. and I have recently completed is used for the following calculations.

          FACT 1 the number of words in each verse is correct. (There are 77,404 words in the 6234 numbered verses.)
          Pattern1 chapter no. followed by #of verses, followed by verse no. and #of words in verse, ?
          Sequence1 1 7 1 4 2 4 3 2 4 3 5 4 6 3 7 9 2 286 0 4 1 1 2 7 ? 114 6 0 4 1 4 2 2 3 2 4 4 5 5 6 3. A sequence of 22,717 digits is a MULTIPLE of 19! So adding or subtracting a single word would fail the trial. Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe.

          FACT 2 the number of letters in each word is correct (There are 326,030 letters in the 6234 numbered verses.)
          Pattern2 pattern 1 followed by #of letters in verse, followed by word no. and #of letters in word, ..
          Sequence2 1 7 1 4 19 1 3 2 4 3 6 4 6 2 4 17 1 5 2 3 3 2 4 7 ? 2 286 0 4 19 1 3 2 4 3 6 4 6 1 1 3 1 3 2 7 26 1 3 2 5 3 2 4 3 5 3 6 3 7 7 ? 114 6 0 4 19 1 3 2 4 3 6 4 6 1 4 14 1 2 2 4 3 3 4 5 2 2 8 1 3 2 5 3 2 8 1 3 2 5 ... A sequence of 223,300 digits is also a MULTIPLE of 19! Again adding / subtracting a single letter would fail the trial. Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe.

          FACT 3 the letter at each position in the word is correct
          Pattern3 same as pattern 2, except insert after each #of letters GV sentence of word followed by GV of word ?
          Sequence 1 7 1 4 19 1 3 26040 102 2 4 130305 66 3 6 13020084050 329 4 6 13020081040 289 2 4 17 1 5 1308404 83 2 3 30305 65 3 2 2002 202 4 7 1307030401050 231 ? 2 286 0 4 19 1 3 26040 102 2 4 130305 66 3 6 13020084050 329 4 6 13020081040 289 1 1 3 1 3 13040 71 2 7 26 1 3 7003020 750 2 5 130204002 453 3 2 301 31 4 3 200102 212 5 3 80105 95 6 3 5410 19 7 7 3030404001001050 660 ? 114 6 0 4 19 1 3 26040 102 2 4 130305 66 3 6 13020084050 329 4 6 13020081040 289 1 4 14 1 2 10030 130 2 4 1706700 777 3 3 22002 204 4 5 13050160 142 2 2 8 1 3 403020 90 2 5 13050160 142 3 2 8 1 3 1305 36 2 5 13050160 142 ... A sequence of 1,005,248 digits and a MULTIPLE of 19! Interchange a single letter and the trial would fail. Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe.

          I?m attaching 2 zipped files containing input and output files for the 3 above facts. (Use Num19 program from www.submission.org to verify), and an excel file named e-Quran.xls containing Quran and all the above.

          Do I have to get a pHD to understand code 19

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            Do I have to get a pHD to understand code 19

            No just be good at playing with numbers

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              nsws1988
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              ermm what has this got to do with the topic ???

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                Do I have to get a pHD to understand code 19

                Have you ever heard about "nurmerical jugglery"

                Probably the poster himself does not understand it.
                Is this an example of "tibyaan" about which the Quran claims?
                Regards

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                  Do I have to get a pHD to understand code 19

                  Not at all. You simply have to know how to count from 1-19. As long as you can do this, the code 19 concept should be pretty simple...

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                    Not at all. You simply have to know how to count from 1-19. As long as you can do this, the code 19 concept should be pretty simple...

                    God bless . exactly, code 19 is not a learning but witnessing,
                    Peace.

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                      Bahman
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                      Do I have to get a pHD to understand code 19

                      No dear
                      All you need is able to to do 4 basic arithmetic functions + - /*

                      FACT 1 the number of words in each verse is correct. (There are 77,404 words in the 6234 numbered verses.)

                      so simple can you understand that?

                      Pattern1 chapter no. followed by #of verses, followed by verse no. and #of words in verse, ?
                      I sit clear for you or need more in detail
                      All is number and no Arabic knowledge
                      Sequence1 1 7 1 4 2 4 3 2 4 3 5 4 6 3 7 9 2 286 0 4 1 1 2 7 ? 114 6 0 4 1 4 2 2 3 2 4 4 5 5 6 3.
                      Sequence1 chapter 1 followed by number of its verses 7 followed by verse no 1 followed by number of words in that verse 4 followed by verse no
                      2 followed by number of words 4 followed by verse number 3 followed by number of words .............. 2 4 3 5 4 6 3 7 9 followed by chapter number 2 followed by total number of verses 286 followed by verse number 0 followed by word number 4 followed by verse number 1 fellowed by word number 1 1 2 7 ? and doing this with all chapters to the end ................114 6 0 4 1 4 2 2 3 2 4 4 5 5 6 3.
                      A sequence of 22,717 digits is a MULTIPLE of 19! So adding or subtracting a single word would fail the trial. Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe.
                      when we say multiple it means nothing left over for example 38 is multiple of 19 2x 19
                      these 3 facts is the highest interlocking system which locks whole scripture letters in to code 19. Such protective security system block any change and removal or addition to the book
                      Simple to understand. Impossible to imitate.
                      Peace.

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                        Bahman
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                        No just be good at playing with numbers

                        7431 )

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                          Bahman
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                          ermm what has this got to do with the topic ???

                          7431

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                            Bahman
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                            Have you ever heard about "nurmerical jugglery"

                            Probably the poster himself does not understand it.
                            Is this an example of "tibyaan" about which the Quran claims?
                            Regards

                            http//www.antiques-finder.com/images/Oval_Antique_Mirror.jpg laugh 7431

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                              MUNZIR_ALI
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                              Have you ever heard about "nurmerical jugglery"

                              Probably the poster himself does not understand it.
                              Is this an example of "tibyaan" about which the Quran claims?
                              Regards

                              Nope. I'm in middle school.

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                                MUNZIR_ALI
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                                No dear
                                All you need is able to to do 4 basic arithmetic functions + - /*

                                FACT 1 the number of words in each verse is correct. (There are 77,404 words in the 6234 numbered verses.)

                                so simple can you understand that?

                                Pattern1 chapter no. followed by #of verses, followed by verse no. and #of words in verse, ?
                                I sit clear for you or need more in detail
                                All is number and no Arabic knowledge
                                Sequence1 1 7 1 4 2 4 3 2 4 3 5 4 6 3 7 9 2 286 0 4 1 1 2 7 ? 114 6 0 4 1 4 2 2 3 2 4 4 5 5 6 3.
                                Sequence1 chapter 1 followed by number of its verses 7 followed by verse no 1 followed by number of words in that verse 4 followed by verse no
                                2 followed by number of words 4 followed by verse number 3 followed by number of words .............. 2 4 3 5 4 6 3 7 9 followed by chapter number 2 followed by total number of verses 286 followed by verse number 0 followed by word number 4 followed by verse number 1 fellowed by word number 1 1 2 7 ? and doing this with all chapters to the end ................114 6 0 4 1 4 2 2 3 2 4 4 5 5 6 3.
                                A sequence of 22,717 digits is a MULTIPLE of 19! So adding or subtracting a single word would fail the trial. Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe.
                                when we say multiple it means nothing left over for example 38 is multiple of 19 2x 19
                                these 3 facts is the highest interlocking system which locks whole scripture letters in to code 19. Such protective security system block any change and removal or addition to the book
                                Simple to understand. Impossible to imitate.
                                Peace.

                                WOW...

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                                  MUNZIR_ALI
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                                  We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

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                                    We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

                                    Masha Allah ( God's Creation} God bless you.
                                    19/10/2009 123249 PM

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                                      Masha Allah ( God's Creation} God bless you.
                                      19/10/2009 123249 PM
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                                      This is not a coincidence. This may be a miracle. hypno

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                                        nsws1988
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                                          "On it is nineteen. We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we made their count to be ONLY a trial/punishment for the unappreciative, to convince those who received the book, to strengthen the faith of the faithful, to remove doubts from the hearts of those who received the book, as well as the believers, and to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whoever wills, and guides whoever wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people." (7430-31)

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