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THE QURAN CONFIRMS: TODAY'S BIBLE IS UNCHANGED

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    Ahmad_Bilal
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    The Quran is closer to the NT than the OT.

    -Good works
    -Charity
    -No burnt offerings
    -Prayer
    -Afterlife
    -Jesus the Messiah
    -No death penalties

    Islam is a form of adjusted Christianity!

    These things make it closer to the NT than the Tanakh?!

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      Rami
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      These things make it closer to the NT than the Tanakh?!

      To be honest...YES!

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        Rev_John
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        actually i kindly helped rev john find the article, which is the same topic of this thread
        there was no need for that fftopic

        I read it, I like it. bravo

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          hope4
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          I read it, I like it. bravo

          Peace Rev.John

          You should like it, as it confirms a lot of what you say

          Peace

          Hope

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            belH
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            The Christian Bible canon may have also been preserved during the time of Muhammad, as have many of their ideologies. However, all of these sources have been refuted in the Qur'aan (i.e. virgin birth, divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins, etc.)...

            Peace,

            Ahmad

            Peace Ahamed,

            It is indisputable that The Quran confirms The Virgin Birth of Jesus. Here where we argued about

            http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16187.0

            Moreover, Please quote from the Bible where it Talks about divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins.

            Maybe we can discover error in the Translation.

            Peace

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              Ahmad_Bilal
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              To be honest...YES!

              Okay, if you say so... )

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                Ahmad_Bilal
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                It is indisputable that The Quran confirms The Virgin Birth of Jesus.

                Is this a typo, or did you mean to say this? How does the Qur'aan "undisputably" confirm the virgin births? If anything, that thread clearly proves, from the Qur'aan, that the virgin birth concept is a myth, not a reality.

                Moreover, Please quote from the Bible where it Talks about divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins.

                I don't think they're translation errors, bro. Some of them may be, but others clearly mention modern Christian ideologies, which are refuted by the Qur'aan. For example
                (1) Jesus' death and atonement for mankind's sins (1 Corinthians 153, 4)
                (2) Jesus' divinity and personal authority (John 11-4; Philippians 26, 7)
                (3) Trinitarian Godhead (1 John 57)

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                  Rev_John
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                  Peace Rev.John

                  You should like it, as it confirms a lot of what you say

                  Peace

                  Hope

                  Yes it does, I will be using some of it on Sunday.

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                    Yes it does, I will be using some of it on Sunday.

                    OMG I hope they don't get aggressive, some of my christian friends were very hostile when I pointed it out to them. Did you read the one on swine? LEVITICUS 118 and MARK 513

                    Peace

                    Hope

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                      OMG I hope they don't get aggressive, some of my christian friends were very hostile when I pointed it out to them. Did you read the one on swine? LEVITICUS 118 and MARK 513

                      Peace

                      Hope

                      No, they will be fine with it, in fact I think most will laugh.

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                        hope4
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                        No, they will be fine with it, in fact I think most will laugh.

                        What a shame I would have liked to be there.

                        Peace

                        Hope

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                          Rev_John
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                          What a shame I would have liked to be there.

                          Peace

                          Hope

                          You will always be welcome

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                            hope4
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                            You will always be welcome

                            Peace Rev.John

                            Thank you for your kind offer. Its good to know people like you are still around. May God bless you. peace

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                              Rev_John
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                              Peace Rev.John

                              Thank you for your kind offer. Its good to know people like you are still around. May God bless you. peace

                              Thank you, and you too.

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                                belH
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                                (1) Jesus' death and atonement for mankind's sins (1 Corinthians 153, 4)
                                (2) Jesus' divinity and personal authority (John 11-4; Philippians 26, 7)
                                (3) Trinitarian Godhead (1 John 57)

                                Peace,
                                I do not see these mentioned Books Here

                                http//www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm

                                Can these Books be Man made Books, as the Hadith and the Talmud?

                                Peace

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                                  Ahmad_Bilal
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                                  Peace Belal,

                                  I do not see these mentioned Books Here

                                  http//www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm

                                  Can these Books be Man made Books, as the Hadith and the Talmud?

                                  Yes, those books can definately be, and most likely are, manmade books. That's what the author of the article you mentioned regarded as the Injiyl... But yes, the website you're considering is only referencing the Jewish Tanakh ("old testament&quot, which were originally written in Hebrew. The "new testament" books of the Bible were mostly written in Greek (some may have possibly been written in Aramaic, but it's debatable). Therefore, you probably wouldn't find the "new testament" books on that website...

                                  Peace,

                                  Ahmad

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                                    belH
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                                    Peace Belal,

                                    Yes, those books can definately be, and most likely are, manmade books. That's what the author of the article you mentioned regarded as the Injiyl... But yes, the website you're considering is only referencing the Jewish Tanakh ("old testament&quot, which were originally written in Hebrew. The "new testament" books of the Bible were mostly written in Greek (some may have possibly been written in Aramaic, but it's debatable). Therefore, you probably wouldn't find the "new testament" books on that website...

                                    Peace,

                                    Ahmad

                                    Peace Ahamed,

                                    When I looked at the Aramic Version of John, I can see where they mistranslated 1-13

                                    http//www.aramaicpeshitta.com/AramaicNTtools/peshitta_interlinear.htm

                                    Let me know if you think there are possible mistranslation.

                                    Here what I believe it should be

                                    13 who are born, not of blood, nor of the pleasure of the flesh, nor of the pleasure of man, but of God (a Creation of God).

                                    If you compare the different Translations, you will note where they deffer.

                                    (More translation can be found here http//www.aramaicpeshitta.com/ Younan Bible, Lamsa Bible, Murdock Bible, Etheridge Bible, Khabouris Codex)

                                    Peace

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                                      Ahmad_Bilal
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                                      I see what you're getting at, but it's an irrelevant argument. It doesn't really matter whether or not the Biblical gospels or the "new testament" has been preserved over the years, since none of it came from God; none of it was divinely inspired to the prophets, and none of it was sent down to the people. Therefore, it being preserved is about as relevant as a 6th century fiction novel being preserved - it is of no importance. Although it may contain a few quasi-authentic words of Jesus, it can hardly be called the Injiyl...

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                                        san
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                                        Salaam,

                                        Actually, studying 22-4, as Alquran is the guide for Almuttaqiyn, and that Almuttaqiyn, among their characters/actions

                                        And who believe in what has been revealed to you, and what was revealed before you.

                                        This is a very serious matter.

                                        Are we only to believe that 'what was revealed before us' somehow existed?

                                        or are we to believe 'what was revealed before us' in the same way we believe in 'what has been revealed to us' (Alqur'aan)?

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                                          belH
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                                          Salaam,

                                          Actually, studying 22-4, as Alquran is the guide for Almuttaqiyn, and that Almuttaqiyn, among their characters/actions

                                          And who believe in what has been revealed to you, and what was revealed before you.

                                          This is a very serious matter.

                                          Are we only to believe that 'what was revealed before us' somehow existed?

                                          or are we to believe 'what was revealed before us' in the same way we believe in 'what has been revealed to us' (Alqur'aan)?

                                          Peace,
                                          The Words in 2-2 to 2-5 are as follow
                                          Believing In what was revealed to You (Mohamed PBUH)
                                          Believing in what were revealed Before you

                                          Can you note from the above, when comparing WORD BY WORD, that we have to treat the Books in an equivalent way; after all, These Books are the Words of our Creator...How can we ignore some and believe in some...are we hypocrites?

                                          Peace

                                          Peace

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