THE QURAN CONFIRMS: TODAY'S BIBLE IS UNCHANGED
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The Christian Bible canon may have also been preserved during the time of Muhammad, as have many of their ideologies. However, all of these sources have been refuted in the Qur'aan (i.e. virgin birth, divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins, etc.)...
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Ahmad
Peace Ahamed,
It is indisputable that The Quran confirms The Virgin Birth of Jesus. Here where we argued about
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16187.0
Moreover, Please quote from the Bible where it Talks about divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins.
Maybe we can discover error in the Translation.
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To be honest...YES!
Okay, if you say so... )
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It is indisputable that The Quran confirms The Virgin Birth of Jesus.
Is this a typo, or did you mean to say this? How does the Qur'aan "undisputably" confirm the virgin births? If anything, that thread clearly proves, from the Qur'aan, that the virgin birth concept is a myth, not a reality.
Moreover, Please quote from the Bible where it Talks about divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins.
I don't think they're translation errors, bro. Some of them may be, but others clearly mention modern Christian ideologies, which are refuted by the Qur'aan. For example
(1) Jesus' death and atonement for mankind's sins (1 Corinthians 153, 4)
(2) Jesus' divinity and personal authority (John 11-4; Philippians 26, 7)
(3) Trinitarian Godhead (1 John 57) -
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(1) Jesus' death and atonement for mankind's sins (1 Corinthians 153, 4)
(2) Jesus' divinity and personal authority (John 11-4; Philippians 26, 7)
(3) Trinitarian Godhead (1 John 57)Peace,
I do not see these mentioned Books Herehttp//www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm
Can these Books be Man made Books, as the Hadith and the Talmud?
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Peace Belal,
I do not see these mentioned Books Here
http//www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm
Can these Books be Man made Books, as the Hadith and the Talmud?
Yes, those books can definately be, and most likely are, manmade books. That's what the author of the article you mentioned regarded as the Injiyl... But yes, the website you're considering is only referencing the Jewish Tanakh ("old testament", which were originally written in Hebrew. The "new testament" books of the Bible were mostly written in Greek (some may have possibly been written in Aramaic, but it's debatable). Therefore, you probably wouldn't find the "new testament" books on that website...
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Ahmad
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Peace Belal,
Yes, those books can definately be, and most likely are, manmade books. That's what the author of the article you mentioned regarded as the Injiyl... But yes, the website you're considering is only referencing the Jewish Tanakh ("old testament", which were originally written in Hebrew. The "new testament" books of the Bible were mostly written in Greek (some may have possibly been written in Aramaic, but it's debatable). Therefore, you probably wouldn't find the "new testament" books on that website...
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Ahmad
Peace Ahamed,
When I looked at the Aramic Version of John, I can see where they mistranslated 1-13
http//www.aramaicpeshitta.com/AramaicNTtools/peshitta_interlinear.htm
Let me know if you think there are possible mistranslation.
Here what I believe it should be
13 who are born, not of blood, nor of the pleasure of the flesh, nor of the pleasure of man, but of God (a Creation of God).
If you compare the different Translations, you will note where they deffer.
(More translation can be found here http//www.aramaicpeshitta.com/ Younan Bible, Lamsa Bible, Murdock Bible, Etheridge Bible, Khabouris Codex)
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I see what you're getting at, but it's an irrelevant argument. It doesn't really matter whether or not the Biblical gospels or the "new testament" has been preserved over the years, since none of it came from God; none of it was divinely inspired to the prophets, and none of it was sent down to the people. Therefore, it being preserved is about as relevant as a 6th century fiction novel being preserved - it is of no importance. Although it may contain a few quasi-authentic words of Jesus, it can hardly be called the Injiyl...
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Salaam,
Actually, studying 22-4, as Alquran is the guide for Almuttaqiyn, and that Almuttaqiyn, among their characters/actions
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, and what was revealed before you.
This is a very serious matter.
Are we only to believe that 'what was revealed before us' somehow existed?
or are we to believe 'what was revealed before us' in the same way we believe in 'what has been revealed to us' (Alqur'aan)?
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Salaam,
Actually, studying 22-4, as Alquran is the guide for Almuttaqiyn, and that Almuttaqiyn, among their characters/actions
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, and what was revealed before you.
This is a very serious matter.
Are we only to believe that 'what was revealed before us' somehow existed?
or are we to believe 'what was revealed before us' in the same way we believe in 'what has been revealed to us' (Alqur'aan)?
Peace,
The Words in 2-2 to 2-5 are as follow
Believing In what was revealed to You (Mohamed PBUH)
Believing in what were revealed Before youCan you note from the above, when comparing WORD BY WORD, that we have to treat the Books in an equivalent way; after all, These Books are the Words of our Creator...How can we ignore some and believe in some...are we hypocrites?
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Peace,
The Words in 2-2 to 2-5 are as follow
Believing In what was revealed to You (Mohamed PBUH)
Believing in what were revealed Before youCan you note from the above, when comparing WORD BY WORD, that we have to treat the Books in an equivalent way; after all, These Books are the Words of our Creator...How can we ignore some and believe in some...are we hypocrites?
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Thank you, yes yes yes that's exactly what i mean.
Next, if we are to treat the Books in an equivalent way, then i assume ALLAH made for us that all the previous Scriptures are just as intact as the Scripture that is revealead to us, mankind after the last Prophet (i.e. Alqur'aan).
In other way, (assuming again) when people are ready to accept all Scriptures as the Guide for them, all the intact Scriptures will be accessible to them. (ALLAH will not change the condition of a people until they change themselves)
I know i don't have any evidence, other than this
5674 So exalt the name of your Lord, the Most Great.
5675 Then I swear by the setting of the stars,
5676 And indeed, it is an oath - if you could know - great.
5677 Indeed, it is a Reading most-honorable
5678 In a Book well-protected/well-guarded/kept hidden/nestled
5679 None touch it except the purified
5680 a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.5678
"kitaAbun maknuwn"... is this supposed to be in the Heaven or is this supposed to be in this world, in/on Earth?
What use will be for mankind, if the Book is well-protected/well-guarded/kept hidden/nestled in the Heaven, instead of in/on Earth?
From 5679, we can safely assume that only those who were already purified/are keep purifying themselves will be able to touch it.
Last Do 5677-78 mean that this Alqur'aanun kariym is part of kitaAbun maknuwn?
if so, wouldn't that mean that all revelation ultimately form one single Book (kitaabun) which is maknuwn?
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...continuing the previous post,
692 And this is a kitaAb which We have sent down, blessed and confirming that bayna yadayhi, so you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are maintaining their SalaAt.
this = Alqur'aan ; bayna yadayhi = AlInjiyl, AltawraAt, Alzabuwr ? Or what has been revealed from Alqur'aan itself?
this = KitaAb ; bayna yadayhi = AlInjiyl, AltawraAt, Alzabuwr ? Or what has been revealed from AlkitaAb itself?
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bayna = "between/among"
yadayhi = "before it/him"Concordance of "bayna yadahi" not related to kitaAb/Scripture
• where bayna yadayhi seems to indicate "past" 4621
• where bayna yadayhi seems to indicate "present" instead of "past" 266 , 1311 , 3412 , 727 , 3412
For now, instead of "what was before it", let's see bayna yadayhi as
"between/among (what's already present) before it/in front of it" --how do you read these verses?
297 Say, "Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel - it is he who has brought Alqur'aan down upon your heart, with permission of Allah , confirming which bayna yadayhi and as guidance and good tidings for the believers."
33 He has sent down upon you, AlkitaAb in truth, confirming which bayna yadayhi. And He revealed AltawraAt and AlInjiyl.
546 And We sent, following in their footsteps, `Iysa son of Maryam, confirming which bayna yadayhi from AltawraAt; and We gave him AlInjiyl, in which was guidance and light and confirming which bayna yadayhi from AltawraAt as guidance and instruction for the righteous.
548 And We have sent down to you AlkitaAb with truth, confirming bayna yadayhi from AlkitaAb and muhayminaAn over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has come to you. To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way. If Allah willed, He would have made you one nation, but to test you in what He has given you; so strive as in a race in good deeds. The return of you is to Allah; then He will inform you about that in which you used to differ.
1037 And it was not for this Alqur'aan to be produced by other than Allah, but a confirmation of what bayna yadayhi and a detailed explanation of AlkitaAb, about which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.
12111 There was certainly in their stories a lesson for those of understanding. Never was Alqur'aan a narration invented, but a confirmation of that bayna yadayhi and a detailed explanation of all things and guidance and mercy for a people who believe.
3431 And those who kafaruw say, "We will never believe in this Alqur'aan nor with that bayna yadayhi." But if you could see when the wrongdoers are made to stand before their Lord, refuting each other's words -- Those who were oppressed will say to those who were arrogant, "If not for you, we would have been believers."
3531 And that which We have revealed to you, from AlkitaAb it is the truth, confirming what bayna yadayhi. Indeed, Allah, of His servants, is Acquainted and Seeing.
4630 They said, "O our people, indeed we have heard kitaAbaAn revealed after Moses confirming what bayna yadayhi which guides to the truth and to a straight path.
4140 Indeed, those who inject deviation into Our AyaAtinaA are not concealed from Us. So, is he who is cast into the Fire better or he who comes secure on the Day of Resurrection? Do whatever you will; indeed, He is Seeing of what you do.
4141 Indeed, those who disbelieve in the message after it has come to them -- And indeed, it is a kitaAbun `aziyz.
4142 Falsehood cannot approach it from bayna yadayhi or from khalfihi; a revelation from Hakiymin Hamiyd.
4143 Nothing is said to you, except what was already said to the messengers before you. Indeed, your Lord is a possessor of forgiveness and a possessor of painful penalty.
The questions Read 1037 again -->
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How do we know that Alqur'aan confirm what "bayna yadayhi" if we don't have what "bayna yadayhi" intact?
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How do we know that Alqur'aan details explanation of AlkitaAb if we don't have the whole AlkitaAb intact?
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Salam, Peace to all,
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This might help 101 contradictions in the Bible
http//www.ipci.co.za/frameset.asp
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Hope
A quick look at this shows that it is not fair comparison cause some of the contradictions are made from OT against NT. I mean if you compare the Reading with the OT, or NT, or both surely we will find some contradictions.
The right thing should be to find contradictions within OT, within NT and of course within the Reading.Regarding the OT (pentatheuc).
In the article we learn that the diactrical signs were added centuries after the oldest original copy of the OT (same as the Reading btw).
This is a very important point to take into account
1- hebrew is a "dead" language and lexical is very poor in comparison to arabic
2- some Rabins were distorting the meaning of some words in OT see 378
3- a translation is and will never replace the original.If you mix all the 3 points together, you get the current OT, now with this try to get the clear message, that is why
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"Verily this Qur'an doth explain to the Children of Israel most of the matters in which they disagree"2777
"And it certainly is a Guide and Mercy to those who believe."Conclusion
Yes OT is a book from God, yes it is preserved, NO people did not succeed in understanding it.
God bless