Jews not following Torah are like donkeys with Books
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I'm not interested in your presidential inauguration speech, Fawzia. You can save it for the other inmates at your institution.
I await your answer to my explanation and my 2 counter questions.
Are you going to address them or , characteristically, do a 'Fawzia'?
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I'm not interested in your presidential inauguration speech, Fawzia. You can save it for the other inmates at your institution.
I await your answer to my explanation and my 2 counter questions.
Are you going to address them or , characteristically, do a 'Fawzia'?
Whats' the point?
What to answer about a holy book which claims to be for the world but is incapable of being understood & explained apart from its native & ancient language?
So the book isn't all that it claims to be.
If its incapable of being understood apart from years of laborious study in a difficult, archaic language-& anybody & everybody can twist its meanings into something intolerant or misogynistic, it doesn't amount to much really.
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Lol, I thought as much. I hope your hate swallows you whole, 'Fawzia.
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My word you can't teach someone logic...
AND if the Quran is either grammatically flawed or incapable of being translated or even understood correctly by 4 different writers, then it isn't a very good book in the first place!
Using your logic, If Fawzia is not capable of being 'understood' by 4 different people = Fawzia isn't a very good person.
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My word you can't teach someone logic...
Using your logic, If Fawzia is not capable of being 'understood' by 4 different people = Fawzia isn't a very good person.
If I'm incapable of being understood by 4 different people of reasonable intelligence & training when I say the very simplest stuff, I'm not a particularly eloquent person.
All the translators have years of knowledge of classical Arabic, the Quran isn't supposed to be rocket science, yet the poor book can't even make itself clear!
Sigh!* (
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Seriously, are you folks nuts? Incapable of reading?
Yes, my boyfriend has a sister, so? He also has a girlfriend that is me.
I know his siter, I have met her many times, again whats' wrong with that?
She told me that her boyfriend is a Japanese Buddhist, I have met the boyfriend too, when a bunch of our friends went out for lunch one day. My boyfriend's sister told me that she's attended Buddhist meditation sessions.
What, WTF are you imagining Mazhar? Did I write that my boyfriend, his sister, her boyfriend & me have orgies? lol!lol! lol! ;D
Nope, we are extremely decent people, we don' do such stuff, the maximum we've done is have bacon, a taboo in my ex religion & my boyfriend & his sister's religion.
I know many Muslims who've been turned stupid due to Islamic doctrines & repeated inbreeding, but I didn't realise that the situation was as bad as all that! ;D
I did not say any such thing "orgies" etc. I merely said this
Brother enjoys the company of sister with her boyfriend while having his own girlfriend by his side. Is this Reconstructionist "a movement in the United States, begun in the 1920s, emphasizing the idea that Judaism is a worldwide religious civilization and advocating continuous adaptation to contemporary conditions"
I imagine how accurately Allah knows the eventualities.
This too is a taboo in all religions; whether ex-religion or the religion owned by boyfriend & his sister and her boyfriend.
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I did not say any such thing "orgies" etc. I merely said this
I imagine how accurately Allah knows the eventualities.
This too is a taboo in all religions; whether ex-religion or the religion owned by boyfriend & his sister and her boyfriend.So this is 1732
1732 And do not come near adultery, for it is a sin and an evil path.Have we come near adultery Mazhar?
When have we done anything of that sort?
How do you assume that we'd be prone to committing adultery anymore than any devout Muslim or Haredi Jew would, or that we are fond of adultery & condone adultery?
Eating bacon & adultery are two very different things.
Atheists, agnostics & other non religious people have morals as well.
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So this is 1732
1732 And do not come near adultery, for it is a sin and an evil path.Have we come near adultery Mazhar?
When have we done anything of that sort?
How do you assume that we'd be prone to committing adultery anymore than any devout Muslim or Haredi Jew would, or that we are fond of adultery & condone adultery?
Eating bacon & adultery are two very different things.
Atheists, agnostics & other non religious people have morals as well.
I said nothing and presumed nothing about "we" of you. "Eating bacon & adultery are two very different things". Certainly they are different; from the point of "taboos" as you referred with regard to ex religion and religion of rest of the three, I quoted Qur'aan that the other thing is as good a taboo as eating bacon and can be avoided by not taking a first step towards approaching it. A taboo is a taboo so long one is willing to accept it as taboo otherwise it is a legal consideration/fear of the society one lives in.
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If I'm incapable of being understood by 4 different people of reasonable intelligence & training when I say the very simplest stuff, I'm not a particularly eloquent person.
All the translators have years of knowledge of classical Arabic, the Quran isn't supposed to be rocket science, yet the poor book can't even make itself clear!
Sigh!* (
Nice appeal to authority. So, it's the book's fault that translators have their own bias, and thus liable to make mistakes? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Certainly you are not claiming they are free from bias/making mistakes?
Let's employ blind faith. It's clearly what the quran recommends. )
1736 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.
Just admit that have an agenda to 'disprove' the quran. A book that's not even NEEDED for salvation. They call folks like you trolls, in the modern world.
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Peace Fawzia,
So would it have been preferable, imfromjakarta, had they stuck exactly to the Torah?
Would it be good to you if Jews killed their children who became apostates? Or stoned a newlywed who did not bleed on her wedding night & her husband complained? Would it be right to stone her on her father's doorstep? Or stoned every man(married or unmarried) who had sex with a married woman?
Its to the credit of Jews that they have been able to supercede such barbaric practices 2000 years ago via creative reinterpretations of Rabbis, & that Jews like Reform & Reconstructionist are constantly doing this.
Although the Torah gives the capital punishment for multiple offences, Israel has had only 2 executions all these years for massive war crimes, thanks to the reinterpretation of Jewish laws.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Israel
Jews who don't uphold the laws of the Torah are, by managing to do away with such barbarism two millennia ago, creating a more humane society,sure they follow the modern ethical principles of not stealing, not killing etc, but so do plenty of atheists & members of non Abrahamic faiths.
Or do you prefer rampant stonings of adulteresses, apostates & non bleeding newlyweds? ???
I have no knowledge about the original content of The Torah, if what you wrote in your previous post is content of Torah, and I was born as one of bani Israil, I will try my best to implement al-Qur'an as a Criterion/al-Furqaan to differentiate truth from falsehood in Torah.