off topic from Re: The 5 stages of a Muslim turning Quran Aloner

abdalquran

One of the beauties and miracles of the Quran is that it uses different words and sentences to describe the same thing at different intervals throughout the whole period of revelation without one error.
So the non muslims who also translated the Quran using the same definitions were also Sunnis?
Dude, like I said............. stay off the pipe.

Whoever translates the Quran has to refer to the dictionaries in order to see the meanings. By this, they will infer that 'salat' is 'ritual prayer'. Now they have a choice either check the Quran itself or don't. The Quran NEVER uses 'salat' to mean 'ritual prayer'. There is no such thing in Quran. Non-muslim translators fell for the same trap, albeit unwittingly.

LOL@pipe. You sunnis believe Mohamed went up to the sky, recieved 50 prayers from God, then met Moses who said 'no , thats too much, go tell God to lessen it' and Muhammad followed MOSES. Muhammad then went up to God to tell God 'thats too much' as if this is a religious fish market. So don?t tell me about getting high, your priests are the biggest pill poppers of them all.

Leyna

Yes, questions are allowed "the reasonable questions" not like "is salat means salat ? " is that a question ??

Yes, that is a question. And if it is something the questioner is seriously wondering about, then there is nothing wrong in asking it, of course.

did I say that ? where ?

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You know why I was rude, because you have rejected everything I said. You know that I was rude just with you and some members here (most of them rejecting the hadith including you). So basically being rude is justified .

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600242.msg243089#msg243089

P.S I've just explained to you "fatwa".

Thank you so much! Without your explanation, I still would have no clue what a fatwa is. http//img62.imageshack.us/img62/1262/bowdownb.gif

Thereformer1

duh! I know that, thats why I was saying that 'you' STILL have to look for answers in hadith! or is it that you think that verse means dont ask about Quran verses?

Yes, don't ask about Quran verses . you can ask about the meanings of words of a verse, but not ask why this verse..get real

Thereformer1

What about this question;
"What is Akida?" muscle

Akida in Arabic language is the provision or law or ligeslation which doesn't accept any doubt in it in the eye of its taken .

Akida in religion is taking the thing without getting it, like the existence of God.

Thereformer1

LOL, specific code???? Look at what you say below
So there's no specific code then, thank you for admitting this.

hahah, you're still not taking what I meant, I gave you the translation of the word alone, and I said if it comes in a sentence it'll be another different meanings and absolutely I will know every meaning alone, but you will not do the same thing.

Leyna

"What is Akida?" muscle

Islamic theology (Arabic Aqidah, plural aq'id&#8206 is a branch of Islamic studies regarding the beliefs associated with the Islamic faith. Any religious belief system, or creed, can be considered an example of aqidah. However, this term has taken a significant technical usage in Muslim history and theology, denoting those matters over which Muslims hold conviction.

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_theology

Thereformer1

Yes, that is a question. And if it is something the questioner is seriously wondering about, then there is nothing wrong in asking it, of course.

No, it is not a question, because it'snot depends on the meaning of the word Salat, but depends and why you want the meaning of Salat and you know that salat means prayer .

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this is your paragaraph "Btw., weren't you the one who just said a few days ago that it is okay to insult someone who disagrees with you? A bit contradictory, no?" .

so you lied I didn't insult you, I have been Rude and you have been rude too. who now contradicts himself? insult is not rude and rude isn't insult .

Thank you so much! Without your explanation, I still would have no clue what a fatwa is. http//img62.imageshack.us/img62/1262/bowdownb.gif

well, better don't.

Thereformer1

Islamic theology (Arabic Aqidah, plural aq'id&#8206 is a branch of Islamic studies regarding the beliefs associated with the Islamic faith. Any religious belief system, or creed, can be considered an example of aqidah. However, this term has taken a significant technical usage in Muslim history and theology, denoting those matters over which Muslims hold conviction.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_theology

you said before that you know what Aqidah means, so where is that, as I see wikipedia in your head nope

Ayisha

Yes, don't ask about Quran verses . you can ask about the meanings of words of a verse, but not ask why this verse..get real

so 5101 that you quoted me about asking questions means something else today or am I using words you dont understand?

I have NEVER asked 'why this verse' but you were implying we cant ask the meaning of words IN the verses, which you have now changed your mind about to allow your theory that hadith is needed to explain those words. I think its you who needs to get real sir.

Leyna

so you lied I didn't insult you, I have been Rude and you have been rude too. who now contradicts himself?

You were being rude and you did insult people. Calling others stupid, mentally ill, uneducated etc. is an insult.

And, no, I have not been rude to you at all. In fact, I have been replying quite kindly to your insults and allegations.

insult is not rude and rude isn't insult .

Wrong.

in?sult

?verb (used with object)

to treat or speak to insolently or with contemptuous rudeness; affront.
to affect as an affront; offend or demean.
Archaic. to attack; assault.

?verb (used without object)

Archaic. to behave with insolent triumph; exult contemptuously (usually fol. by on, upon, or over).

?noun

an insolent or contemptuously rude action or remark; affront.
something having the effect of an affront That book is an insult to one's intelligence.

Leyna

you said before that you know what Aqidah means, so where is that, as I see wikipedia in your head nope

I was replying to another poster who asked for a definition. Got a problem with that?

Thereformer1

so 5101 that you quoted me about asking questions means something else today or am I using words you dont understand?

what are you talking about? the verse said don't ask questions in things if you someone knows them, he will feel Sad . You're asking this kind of question which they will make someone Sad. so stop shaking like a snake.

I have NEVER asked 'why this verse' but you were implying we cant ask the meaning of words IN the verses, which you have now changed your mind about to allow your theory that hadith is needed to explain those words. I think its you who needs to get real sir.

I didn't change my minds, you guys have gone far away from the meanings of word, Salat means prayer >>the end .
you went to another interpretation which is wrong, where you found that salat means not prayers , where did you get this clever interpretation ? in wiki or in miky
.

Thereformer1

You were being rude and you did insult people. Calling others stupid, mentally ill, uneducated etc. is an insult.

I didn't insult you and I didn't insult anyone, I have been rude. in Arabic insult is something else and rude is definitely something else .. so language english is the problem(there is no different between rude and insult rotfl).

And, no, I have not been rude to you at all. In fact, I have been replying quite kindly to your insults and allegations.
Wrong.

You have been rude too, so stop, I'm not lying, the problem is in the language where you can't differ between rude and insult (poor language).

Thereformer1

I was replying to another poster who asked for a definition. Got a problem with that?

Yes, I got a problem with that, because you have lied, you don't know the meanings of Akidah as you claimed.

Leyna

I didn't insult you and I didn't insult anyone, I have been rude. in Arabic insult is something else and rude is definitely something else .. so language english is the problem

We are not conversing in Arabic here.

Your poor command of English is a problem, not the language itself.

there is no different between rude and insult

You misunderstood. There is a difference, but they are not mutually exclusive, as you claimed.

Thereformer1

We are not conversing in Arabic here.

I'm not conversing anything, is just you gave me a false attribute about my post , I didn't insult but rude is the right word. I've been talking to many many americans and british people and they have never said I insulted them, they said that my comments are rude but not insults>> so stop lying in english as well.

Your poor command of English is a problem, not the language itself.

well, you're the only person who said that . by the way English is poor language, so take it or die not accepting it.

You misunderstood. There is a difference, but they are not mutually exclusive, as you claimed.

hahah, now you want to say there is a difference, I'm sure that you have some mental disease.

Leyna

I didn't insult but rude is the right word. is just you gave me a false attribute about my post ,I've been talking to many many americans and british people and they have never said I insulted them, they said that my comments are rude but not insults>> so stop lying in english as well.

You are constantly insulting people on here, and you have been repeatedly asked to stop that.

by the way English is poor language, so take it or die not accepting it.

Your knowledge of English is faulty, so you are in no position to judge if it is a "poor language" or not.

I'm sure that you have some mental disease.

Sure. Everyone who disagrees with you has a mental disease, right? &

savage_carrot

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Thereformer1

You are constantly insulting people on here, and you have been repeatedly asked to stop that.
Your knowledge of English is faulty, so you are in no position to judge if it is a "poor language" or not.
Sure. Everyone who disagrees with you has a mental disease, right? &

look, let's just make a fresh start ok ?

Ayisha

Quote from Ayisha on Today at 122132 PM
so 5101 that you quoted me about asking questions means something else today or am I using words you dont understand?

answer from reformer1
what are you talking about? the verse said don't ask questions in things if you someone knows them, he will feel Sad . You're asking this kind of question which they will make someone Sad. so stop shaking like a snake.

What are you talking about? Dont ask questions of someone that knows the answers or he will feel sad? where did you get that from? ???

Quote from aurangzaib on Today at 095204 AM
I have NEVER asked 'why this verse' but you were implying we cant ask the meaning of words IN the verses, which you have now changed your mind about to allow your theory that hadith is needed to explain those words. I think its you who needs to get real sir.

Answer from reformer1
I didn't change my minds, you guys have gone far away from the meanings of word, Salat means prayer >>the end .
you went to another interpretation which is wrong, where you found that salat means not prayers , where did you get this clever interpretation ? in wiki or in miky

I do think you're getting confused reformer, this is MY quote, not aurangzaib, and I have not said salat means anything, I have not spoken about salat., but I must remind you that you are again being rude and insulting, seems something you cant help yourself with, try asking Allah for help to be calmer and give more reasoned peaceful replies.

salam