arab conspiracy against islam

david_rs_aitken

God has declared the Arabs to be the staunchest disbelievers and the staunchest hypocrites. This will be demonstrated beyond all doubt by this book. The Qur?an confirms

The Arabs are staunchest in disbelief and hypocrisy, and most likely not to know the limits of what was revealed by God to His messenger, and God is Knower and Judge. (997)

pps. 7?9

Peace,

I know that's just a quote from the book, but I'd like to reiterate that the word "a3rab" (alif ayn ra alif ba) in the great reading means "nomads", not "Arabs" as an ethnic group.

9101 From the nomads (&#1576 around you are hypocrites, and from the people of the city.

9120 It is not for the people of the city, nor for the nomads (&#1576 around them, that they should lag behind the messenger of the god.

Even today, the spelling of "Arabs" as an ethnic or linguistic group is quite different ayn ra ba (= minus two alifs). Did the author of the book not look at history and see that many of the traditions are not "Arab", as he claimed, and are in fact Judaic and Persian? "Blame it on the Arabs" is all too common these days.

abdalquran

David, have you experimented with the idea that 3arab (ain ra ba, as it appears in 41/44, 16/103 etc) may NOT mean Arabs? Just a thought.

david_rs_aitken

David, have you experimented with the idea that 3arab (ain ra ba, as it appears in 41/44, 16/103 etc) may NOT mean Arabs? Just a thought.

Peace,

Well, it's interesting that it seems to be used a common noun, right? I was wondering if maybe "quran arabi" might mean "reading clear" or "reading mother-tongue" or something. Any links?

Thank you,

-David

abdalquran

How bout 'flawless' reading?

david_rs_aitken

I think the following comments may be closer to what I'm thinking...

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.msg223073#msg223073

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.msg223516#msg223516

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.msg223517#msg223517

Might help explain the link between a3rab (non-city) and 3arab...

abdalquran

Thanks! I'll have a read of that!

Thereformer1

I think the following comments may be closer to what I'm thinking...

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.msg223073#msg223073

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.msg223516#msg223516

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.msg223517#msg223517

Might help explain the link between a3rab (non-city) and 3arab...

If the book is enough to guide you, why do you study BY a teacher?

abdalquran

Who needs teachers? we have discussions PARTNERS? People who discuss together. Any one of us could be wrong but that's ok because we all think for ourselves. THAT'S the difference.

Thereformer1

Who needs teachers? we have discussions PARTNERS? People who discuss together. Any one of us could be wrong but that's ok because we all think for ourselves. THAT'S the difference.

aha and when I said the difference is a virtue before, you said that it is not ok , this is a contraduction of terms, are you ill mentally ? or maybe you are schyzo.

People who are going to discuss must first know the subject that they will discuss . Do you(all of you) know the subject that you're going to discuss ? if yes How? and what for ? if No, why ? and what for ?

david_rs_aitken

we have discussions PARTNERS

Indeed, as Moses wanted Aaron to be his partner.

2029-32 Make for me an assistant from my family; my brother Aaron. Strengthen me with him, and give him a share of my mission.

We are responsible for using our individual faculties of intellect to discern truth from falsehood, and we will return to the god all alone. May he have mercy on us all.

abdalquran

aha and when I said the difference is a virtue before, you said that it is not ok , this is a contraduction of terms, are you ill mentally ? or maybe you are schyzo.

People who are going to discuss must first know the subject that they will discuss . Do you(all of you) know the subject that you're going to discuss ? if yes How? and what for ? if No, why ? and what for ?

You see reformer, for Quranists (at least those I know) it's ok to be different because the Quran is a lifelong learning process (rabbi zidnee ilman - 20/114). For you guys, you got the 'firqa najiyya' (saved sect) complex. to you, you MUST prove yourselves to be right. Hence, having ikhtilaf is not an option because if you have al-haqq, it cannot be two al-haqqs!

I don't pretend to know everything about the Quran. I learn from my reading daily. What i DO know however is you and your ulema do NOT represent the Quran. Sorry.

abdalquran

Indeed, as Moses wanted Aaron to be his partner.

2029-32 Make for me an assistant from my family; my brother Aaron. Strengthen me with him, and give him a share of my mission.

We are responsible for using our individual faculties of intellect to discern truth from falsehood, and we will return to the god all alone. May he have mercy on us all.

wow, nice one David. I hadn't thought of that before.

Reformer, THATS how discussion partnerships function.

Thereformer1

Indeed, as Moses wanted Aaron to be his partner.
2029-32 Make for me an assistant from my family; my brother Aaron. Strengthen me with him, and give him a share of my mission.

Moses wanted Aaron to be his partner because Moses wasn't eloquent and he wanted someone to share with him the message for one reason strengthen him and not be alone in this holy message .

Thereformer1

You see reformer, for Quranists (at least those I know) it's ok to be different because the Quran is a lifelong learning process (rabbi zidnee ilman - 20/114). For you guys, you got the 'firqa najiyya' (saved sect) complex. to you, you MUST prove yourselves to be right. Hence, having ikhtilaf is not an option because if you have al-haqq, it cannot be two al-haqqs!

I don't pretend to know everything about the Quran. I learn from my reading daily. What i DO know however is you and your ulema do NOT represent the Quran. Sorry.

I think I have before explained to you things that they kept you in confusion and now I don't think so you'll understand why someone is right despite the explanation of others . That's what you're not going to understand .

nerspi

very good book, still reading it,
so far it's amazing )

although i wouldn't say he was 'the last prophet'

Jafar

Amazed by the book!
It really speak out of what's within my mind all of this time..
Thanks for finding and sharing it..

david_rs_aitken

Amazed by the book!

Peace Jafar,

I notice that your signature is a mistranslation of 997

The Arabs (al-arabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent upon His messenger
997

I think you may find these posts by brothers Jack and Wakas enlightening

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.0

Peace,

-David

Jafar

Peace Jafar,

I notice that your signature is a mistranslation of 997

I think you may find these posts by brothers Jack and Wakas enlightening

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.0

Peace,

-David

Salam David,
No I don't think it's a mistranslation..
And yes I've read jack, wakas and your post as well..

Salam / Peace

david_rs_aitken

Peace Jafar,

Unfortunately, the misunderstanding of "a3rab" as being "Arabs" is pretty racist. What is the reason for "the Arab race" being the worst in disbelief? When little boys and girls are born in any race, are they programmed to be more likely to disbelieve? That's nonsense, and it's offensive to hundreds of millions of people. Ironically, they speak the language that's being misunderstood, and there is clearly a difference between the nomads of the great reading and the "Arabs" of modern standard Arabic

Nomads =

M.S.A. Arabs =

Clearly there are two alifs in the word "nomads". Using yaqb.org I wanted to see who had the racist audacity to misrepresent the word "a3rab"

Free_Minds The Nomads are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent down upon His messenger. God is Knower, Wise.

Khalifa The Arabs are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and the most likely to ignore the laws that GOD has revealed to His messenger. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

Yusuf_Ali The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.

Shakir The dwellers of the desert are very hard in unbelief and hypocrisy, and more disposed not to know the limits of what Allah has revealed to His Messenger; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Pickthal The wandering Arabs are more hard in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to be ignorant of the limits which Allah hath revealed unto His messenger. And Allah is Knower, Wise.

Arberry The Bedouins are more stubborn in unbelief and hypocrisy, and apter not to know the bounds of what God has sent down on His Messenger; and God is All-knowing, All-wise.

George_Sale The Arabs of the desert are more obstinate in their unbelief and hypocrisy; and it is easier for them to be ignorant of the ordinances of that which God hath sent down unto his Apostle And God is knowing and wise.

Hilali_Khan The bedouins are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to be in ignorance of the limits (Allahs Commandments and His Legal Laws, etc.) which Allah has revealed to His Messenger. And Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.

Malik The Arabs of the desert are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and are least inclined to acknowledge the limits that Allah has revealed to his Messenger. Allah is All- Knowledgeable, All-Wise.

Maulana_Ali The dwellers of the desert are hardest in disbelief and hypocrisy, and most disposed not to know the limits of what Allah has revealed to His Messenger. And Allah is Knowing, Wise.

QXP The desert Arabs are more hard in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely to ignore the Limits that Allah has revealed to His Messenger. Allah is Knower, Wise.

Sarwar The desert dwelling Arabs are far worse than the others in their disbelief and hypocrisy and have more reason to be ignorant of the revelations that God revealed to His Messenger. God is All-knowing and All-wise.

Le_Coran Les Bdouins sont plus endurcis dans leur impit et dans leur hypocrisie, et les plus enclins mconnatre les prceptes qu'Allah a rvls Son messager. Et Allah est Omniscient et Sage.

Chouraqui Les Arb sont les plus rudes effaceurs, des embusqus inaptes connatre les bornes quAllah fait descendre pour son Envoy, Allah, savant, sage.

Those who wrote "desert/wandering Arabs" messed it up a little bit (since not all nomads/desert people/wanderers are "Arabs&quot, but not to a great racist extent. Who does that leave?

Khalifa was a world-class racist; he fit in well in America in the 70s and 80s with his bigotry against Arabs. "Blame it on the Arabs" was big back then (http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600312.0).
Yusuf Ali was Indian, busy with nationalist struggles in India/Pakistan, so what did he care about "the Arabs" he condemned?
Chouraqui was an Israeli Jew; big surprise.

Even if you misunderstood the word to mean "Arab race", why would it be your signature on a forum? To me, this indicates a deep-seated racism. Maybe you should make it the bumper sticker on your car, or get a vanity license plate "ARABS R BAD"...

FAR

unwritten message
secret message
the fine details of Quran
explains Quran
Quran says follow the hadith
hadith is the wisdom

These are all things I have heard said about hadith by hadithists. No this didnt come from Quran but there are clear warnings IN Quran about this and not to listen to them.
Yes the prophet was the best example OF HIS TIME, in living Quran and all those examples are IN Quran, so no need for hadith.

Moderators, my reply box stopped jumping yesterday, it was bliss and I was today going to thank whoever did something and send virtual flowers and chocs. But now its again jumping all over the place brickwall

We are told in the quran to tell the christians to produce their proof if they are truthful, why aren't we doing that with the quran?

The prophet's time has not ended, until Jesus is to come that is.

As for history... the quran teaches us to learn about the prophet. Waka provided me a list of verses... where's it gone... ah here it is

http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/religion-science-reason-compatible.htm

Alhamdulillah for allah giving wakas some something something.