Gods System/Sunnatallah

Ayisha

look at what God said " " " " means that God has made it parts >> for what ? >>> God said " ". means for strethen your heart and comprehend and hold it .
Yes, and see above.
P.S This is not the subject .

divided into verses and sent in stages so that it is easy to recite to the people, yes I agree. Comprehend--you do understand what that word means dont you? It means to fully understand it. So why do you need hadith if you fully understand it and it has strengthened your heart?

It may not be the subject but I am replying to your post which changed the subject to this one and my question was "So the 'written' Quran, as we have it now, was 'written' long before but God had to wait to give us parts of it so that 'our lives and timings of events' could catch up with it? which you still didnt answer AGAIN

zulu12

Dear OMF

If you don't want anyone to ask you any questions, then refrain from posting your comments and views on a public forum. It's as simple as that. Until such time, you will be asked all sorts of questions. If you cannot answer, don't post. I will exercise my right to freedom of choice and freedom of speech to ask what I like, when I like and challenge whatever I feel like challenging.

Why don't you for the record, give a synopsis of the following ayats and confirm to us 'lost souls' what they actually mean concerning the Quran and it's revelation.

223 And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.

17106 (It is) a Qur'an which We have divided (into parts from time to time), in order that thou mightest recite it to men at intervals We have revealed it by stages.

2532 Those who reject Faith say "Why is not the Qur'an revealed to him all at once? Thus (is it revealed), that We may strengthen thy heart thereby, and We have rehearsed it to thee in slow, well-arranged stages, gradually.

7623 It is We Who have sent down the Qur'an to thee by stages.

Or are you of the opinion that the Quran came down in one full swoop in line with the following ayat thus contradicting ayat 2532 if we accept your position?

971 We have indeed revealed this (Message) in the Night of Power

What night of power? and when is it?

Be careful now. You must accept the Quran in totality and not pick and choose. Quagmire for you again!

Come on Einstein, time to get your thinking hat on and leave the anger hat at home.

Peace

Thereformer1

divided into verses and sent in stages so that it is easy to recite to the people, yes I agree. Comprehend--you do understand what that word means dont you? It means to fully understand it. So why do you need hadith if you fully understand it and it has strengthened your heart?

As I see your whole posts are about hadith wether the subject is about Quran or about science like I do not follow Quran , am I ? let me remind you that the sunnah Quran is in the first place . is that too hard to understand .

It may not be the subject but I am replying to your post which changed the subject to this one and my question was "So the 'written' Quran, as we have it now, was 'written' long before but God had to wait to give us parts of it so that 'our lives and timings of events' could catch up with it? which you still didnt answer AGAIN

I did answer your question . And I said that is for the prophet , for >>>strethen your heart(the prophet's heart) and comprehend and hold it

RA786

Question for Islamic Evolutionists

What is your view on Mary Mother of Isa's Pregnancy?-in light of the Modern Science View on Evolution and Biology
Does, this make things Problematic? Or Does Allah have the Ability to create Anomalies without contradiction his own laws?

kgwithnob

Question for Islamic Evolutionists

What is your view on Mary Mother of Isa's Pregnancy?-in light of the Modern Science View on Evolution and Biology
Does, this make things Problematic? Or Does Allah have the Ability to create Anomalies without contradiction his own laws?

Peace Dear RA786,

According to The Qur?aan, GOD?S SYSTEM/SUNNATALLAH is the Governing RULE, but there are always EXCEPTIONS. The miracles/signs that GOD decides to show the people at different turning points throughout the history are of the EXCEPTIONS, in order to leave no room for any excuse on the side of the disbelievers. GOD is Omnipotent. He is able to do anything and everything He deems necessary. That is why He is called GOD. On the other hand, the RULE of the game is CREATION through EVOLUTION, 99.9999?% of the time throughout the whole Universe.

Another very important point involving the discussion of evolutionary creation is that, we need to mainly stay put on the PHILOSOPHICAL rather than SCIENTIFIC side of the argument. In other words, we need to keep the big picture as the centerpiece rather than arguing around the small-dissected parts. Saying that though, our findings MUST NOT contradict scientific FACTS vs theories.

Peace,
Khalil

RA786

Peace Dear RA786,

According to The Qur?aan, GOD?S SYSTEM/SUNNATALLAH is the Governing RULE, but there are always EXCEPTIONS. The miracles/signs that GOD decides to show the people at different turning points throughout the history are of the EXCEPTIONS, in order to leave no room for any excuse on the side of the disbelievers. GOD is Omnipotent. He is able to do anything and everything He deems necessary. That is why He is called GOD. On the other hand, the RULE of the game is CREATION through EVOLUTION, 99.9999?% of the time throughout the whole Universe.

Another very important point involving the discussion of evolutionary creation is that, we need to mainly stay put on the PHILOSOPHICAL rather than SCIENTIFIC side of the argument. In other words, we need to keep the big picture as the centerpiece rather than arguing around the small-dissected parts. Saying that though, our findings MUST NOT contradict scientific FACTS vs theories.

Peace,
Khalil

Agreed , But Also Note God Doesnt Contradict himself nor Changes his mind.
So his Rule cannot Contradict another rule. I think he does this by not making Exceptions, but rather creates Other Laws we may not necessarily be aware of.
For Instance, Conditional Rules.

You are Protected from the Devil ....(Under certain Conditions)
Men and Woman are Born from two Parents (Under certain Conditions)
You cannot Bring the Dead back to life, Heal the Blind, or part the Sea (Unless under certain Conditions)

I know its basically the same as what you said (Exceptions), but I mean it more for a Non-believer who tries to find Contradictions in Gods word.
I would say to that person that there are Certain Terms and Conditional Laws that Apply based on other Laws and procedures that we are not yet Aware of.
There is a World of Infinite Possibility (Quantum Physics), however we do not have much wisdom of that world yet.

kgwithnob

Salam RA, all,

20123
He said "Get ye down both of you all together from the Garden, with enmity one to another; but if, as is sure there comes to you guidance from Me, whosoever follows My guidance, will not lose his way nor fall into misery

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We said "Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you guidance from Me" whosoever follows My guidance on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

When Allah swt says "Get ye down both of you all together from the Garden", do you think Adam and his spouse were made of "meat and bones" or do you think is their soul that was to get down to earth?

In that case when the "soul" get down from the Garden (a very far place), do you think on earth there was "already" the bodies waiting to host these souls? for me it is Yes, because

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Behold thy Lord said to the angels "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said "Wilt thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood? Whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said "I know what ye know not."

How do you think angels knew men will mischief and shed blood --> they knew the animal already!

And last, how do you think you can "travel" billions of light years between earth and the Garden? Surely not with your body shape which is an inconvenient envelop to travel such a dsitance.

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It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death and those that die not (He takes) during their sleep those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back (from returning to life), but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. Verily in this are Signs for those who reflect.

Conclusion is evolution theory true? as long as science can proove it, yes, otherwise Allah swt would not create the Universe in 6 periodes, time for the evolution to take place and develop.

Peace

Salaam herbman and All,

The traditional, i.e., the sectarians, i.e., Sunni, Shi?ah, and?, interpretation of the verses of The Qur?aan leads us to believe in a magical instantaneous creation, along with all the jumbo mambos that try to justify it all. There is no logical reasoning and or no scientific facts accompanying the sectarian interpretations of The Qru?aan.

GOD HIMSELF has directed us to roam through the Earth to find out how He has started the creation. He wants us to search through the nature. He refers us to contemplate the natural phenomena in order to come to certainty in believing.

Sectarians believe that Adam was the first human.
Muslims believe that Adam was a SUCCESSOR/a KHALIFAH to previous and about to extinct generations of humans.

Sectarians believe that Adam was created instantaneously like magic.
Muslims believe that Adam and his generation like all other creatures had an evolutionary creation over hundreds of millions of years, right here on Earth.

Sectarians believe that Adam was living in the heaven/paradise, then for his transgression was exiled down to the Earth.
Muslims believe that there exists no heaven/paradise yet, and that the heaven/paradise and hell are of the evolutionary future events.

Peace,
Khalil

arnoldyasin

Salam,

4 years ago I have written an article about the concept of creation in the Qur'an

"Allah is called our Rabb, which means Who fosters, nourishes, brings up and regulate the things from the crudest state to that of the highest perfection, is such a matter to make it attain one condition after an other until it reaches its goal of completion.

He is also called Al-Bari, the Evolver and Al-Masuwwir, the Bestower of Forms/Fashioner in 5924.

The concept of Evolution was first described by the Greeks, but it was further developed by the early Muslims. Great Muslim scholars and scientists as Al-Kindi, Ibn-Rushd, Ibn Tufayl, Ibn-Arabi, Ibn-Khaldun al described and promoted the concept of Evolution. Before the 1800?s, Evolution Theory was known in Europe as the ?Muhammedan Creation Theory? and was described in almost all Muslim Medicine and Science Books. It was also part of normal education in the Muslim schools and Universities.

Ibn Khaldun wrote in his Muqaddimah, an Introduction to History

?One should then look at the world of Creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedles plants. The last stage of plants such as palms and vine sis connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power to touch. The word ?connection? with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the next group. The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man ( after the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.?

This is just one example out of hundreds of opinions and observations made by Muslim scholars in the early centuries of Islam. When Darwin made his own speculations based on the Muslim Theory of Evolution, it was taken up by the Materialist Movement of the West. Because the Theory of Evolution is not supported by the Bible, and also because Darwin?s speculations gave room for a Creator-less creation, Darwin?s version of the Theory was taken up by the Atheist. Through this Evolution Theory was seen as equal to Atheism, and Muslims, through loss of their knowledge and their aversion of the Materialist Colonial powers of the West that had conquered them, became to reject the Theory of Evolution. And took up together with the Christian world, the concept of Instant Creation. A concept that goes directly against the language of the Quran and its Message as will be shown."

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