Quran vs quranists
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very interesting thread!
God sent down Al-Hikma i.e. the sunnah of the Prophet? and I thought that the book belonged to God and sunna to the prophet! confused
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You don't answer neither in your hand to bring a verse proving what you said, as I see you never use a verse . ok I'm going to forget the old questions but I want just one to answer if Quran explain itself can you tell me about what God is talking about in this verse (17. It is for Us to collect it and to give you (O Muhammad م the ability to recite it (the Qur??n).) what God means by collect it ? and what he means by the ability to recite it? .
If it explain itself, I challenge you, just give me one opinion of you with justifying from Quran . And make it in another topic and be sure I'll scandal you .
Oooh you'll... scandal me? Okay then, bring it on. I'm not making another topic for this, let this be a record of where your "discussions" go.
7516 MOVE NOT thy tongue in haste,
Muhammad Asad - End Note 6 (7516)
Lit., "Move not thy tongue therewith so that thou might hasten if" - the pronoun undoubtedly referring to the contents of revelation. In order to understand this parenthetic passage (verses 16-19) more fully, one should read it side by side with the related passage in 20114, together with the corresponding note 101. Both these passages are in the first instance addressed to the Prophet, who is said to have been afraid that he might forget some of the revealed words unless he repeated them at the very moment of revelation; but both have also a wider import inasmuch as they apply to every believer who reads, listens to or studies the Qur'an. In 20114 we are told not to draw hasty - and therefore potentially erroneous - conclusions from isolated verses or statements of the Qur'an, since only the study of the whole of its message can give us a correct insight. The present passage, on the other hand, lays stress on the need to imbibe the divine writ slowly, patiently, to give full thought to the meaning of every word and phrase, and to avoid the kind of haste which is indistinguishable from mechanical glibness, and which, moreover, induces the person who reads, recites or listens to it to remain satisfied with the mere beautiful sound of the Qur'anic language without understanding - or even paying adequate attention to - its message.7517 for, behold, it is for Us to gather it and to cause it to be read .7
Muhammad Asad - End Note 7 (7517)
I.e., "it is for Us to make thee remember it and to cause it to be read with mind and heart". As pointed out in the preceding note, the Qur'an can be understood only if it is read thoughtfully, as one integral whole, and not as a mere collection of moral maxims, stories or disjointed laws.7518 Thus, when We recite it, follow thou its wording 8
Muhammad Asad - End Note 8 (751
Lit., "follow thou its recitation", i.e., its message as expressed in words. Since it is God who reveals the Qur'an and bestows upon man the ability to understand it, He attributes its "recitation" to Himself.7519 and then, behold, it will be for Us to make its meaning clear.9
Muhammad Asad - End Note 9 (7519)
I.e., if the Qur'an is read ''as it ought to be read" (see note 7 above), it becomes - as stressed by Muhammad Abduh - "its own best commentary".I await the scandal me with much trepidation.
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Oooh you'll... scandal me? Okay then, bring it on. I'm not making another topic for this, let this be a record of where your "discussions" go.
I await the scandal me with much trepidation.
I'll not leave you destro my thread , are you afraid , I'm going to take and put it in another thread .
By the way are you "Muhammed Asaad" ??????????
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Oooh you'll... scandal me? Okay then, bring it on. I'm not making another topic for this, let this be a record of where your "discussions" go.
7516 MOVE NOT thy tongue in haste,
Muhammad Asad - End Note 6 (7516)
Lit., "Move not thy tongue therewith so that thou might hasten if" - the pronoun undoubtedly referring to the contents of revelation. In order to understand this parenthetic passage (verses 16-19) more fully, one should read it side by side with the related passage in 20114, together with the corresponding note 101. Both these passages are in the first instance addressed to the Prophet, who is said to have been afraid that he might forget some of the revealed words unless he repeated them at the very moment of revelation; but both have also a wider import inasmuch as they apply to every believer who reads, listens to or studies the Qur'an. In 20114 we are told not to draw hasty - and therefore potentially erroneous - conclusions from isolated verses or statements of the Qur'an, since only the study of the whole of its message can give us a correct insight. The present passage, on the other hand, lays stress on the need to imbibe the divine writ slowly, patiently, to give full thought to the meaning of every word and phrase, and to avoid the kind of haste which is indistinguishable from mechanical glibness, and which, moreover, induces the person who reads, recites or listens to it to remain satisfied with the mere beautiful sound of the Qur'anic language without understanding - or even paying adequate attention to - its message.7517 for, behold, it is for Us to gather it and to cause it to be read .7
Muhammad Asad - End Note 7 (7517)
I.e., "it is for Us to make thee remember it and to cause it to be read with mind and heart". As pointed out in the preceding note, the Qur'an can be understood only if it is read thoughtfully, as one integral whole, and not as a mere collection of moral maxims, stories or disjointed laws.7518 Thus, when We recite it, follow thou its wording 8
Muhammad Asad - End Note 8 (751
Lit., "follow thou its recitation", i.e., its message as expressed in words. Since it is God who reveals the Qur'an and bestows upon man the ability to understand it, He attributes its "recitation" to Himself.7519 and then, behold, it will be for Us to make its meaning clear.9
Muhammad Asad - End Note 9 (7519)
I.e., if the Qur'an is read ''as it ought to be read" (see note 7 above), it becomes - as stressed by Muhammad Abduh - "its own best commentary".I await the scandal me with much trepidation.
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By the way are you "Muhammed Asaad" ??????????
rotfl rotfl
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I'm gonna miss you bro!
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Destroy your thread? as if you need help. You refuse to stick to one subject, you consistently jump around from here to there and back again when you can't answer. That is why you'll be keeping this right here, so that all the readers in the future are privy to this little "quirk" of yours. Unless, this is what you term as your "winning strategy"...keep making different topics and claim you've trumped everyone because they've gotten lost in a maze where you're the king mouse.
Am I M. Asad? Heh, are you Bukhari? ;D
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Am I M. Asad? Heh, are you Bukhari? ;D
no, we are al-kitaab and al-hikmah! elhamdulillah! are you jealous?
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Np, Ayisha...hopefully it can only go upwards and onwards from here D.
Yes, RH...I'm jealous. Mighty jealous, so jealous that even a scandal me cannot make me stop posting tonight.
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This is the silly thing about words. All of them.
They can be dissected and reinterpreted and retranslated until the wool has been pulled so far over our eyes that we look like a bunch of dumb sheep on their way to the blade.
It happens in court rooms all the time.
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I have never read the claims of Sahfi and I've searched for the verse myself then I looked for it in some interpretation from some old and new scholars and as I said I was shocked because I found the same result and it is that Hikma is sunnah which by definition in hadith .
The word "HIKMA" in arabic has a lot of meanings other than wisdom . So think for the link and I hoped the best for you . Now it's up to you to follow what God said or what Satan said .
Shafi wrote a book on his position in arabic kitab jima3 a3lilm, look for it.
yeh my aim is to follow what God said thanks for the concern.
so you found a hadith that defines hikma as the sunnah? which hadith that explains the verses of the Quran, uses the word hikma that means the hadith/sunnah?
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TH1,
Keep to this topic. Thanks.
(A new thread merged with original so that we can keep related discussions in one place)
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Is Hadith not verified ?
there is no proof whatsoever that hadith books are the words of prophet muhammad. show some unmistakeable and undeniable proof that the prophet said all these narrations??
you will now say in return....."please also show me that quran is the word of Allah?"
typical sunni/non muslim attitude eh
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Np, Ayisha...hopefully it can only go upwards and onwards from here D.
Yes, RH...I'm jealous. Mighty jealous, so jealous that even a scandal me cannot make me stop posting tonight.
who do you delete the thread that where I and you will debate ? >(
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I've merged it, silly rabbit. Now debate.