Some questions to which Quran only followers can't answr, basically they can't !
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No... the a non-catholic would not be known to pray in a catholic's church.
They'd say "I'm not catholic"
As those who call themselves "sects"... there are a far few secters amongst the muslims than christians. You get what I'm saying.
we're not talking about who will pray in whose church we are talking about Christians being a majority over Muslims AS A WHOLE. )
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The only questions you guys need to answer is how can we be wrong for over 1300 years (and I'm using your own time frames here) and you guys be right over 100 years when we both have access to the same information? We have far more experience and knowledge than you guys. 1300 v 100.
Have you guys come up with a 'Holy Grail' which only the chosen few can see or something?
Where was your deviant sect over the last 1300 years?
Why now?
Take your time.
PeacePeace be upon you,
with all due Respect.What sect, what are you talking about?
Sects are forbidden according to The Quran, remember?It's not the numbers again, is it? It's not the question if someone has been wrong for 1,300 years or 13 million years, that's not the question at all. You should read The Quran and see the examples of the previous people.
Peace.
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Salaat please.
Zakaat please.
Hajj please.
Call for prayer please.
Men of knowledge please.
Obeying the Messenger please.
Sending Blessings on the Prophet PBUH please.
It's back to basics and the repetative parrot syndrome with you guys. Why am I even wasting my time asking questions which could not be answered by you guys for over a hundred years when the easy 1300 v 100 could not be answered. Maybe you are the Chosen One and can save the deviant sect from more deviancy by actually answering with authority?
And to finally put a nail in the coffin, I am not a Sunni. Yes, sorry to pull the rug from under your feet and shatter your world, I am a Muslim. Not nni ia bee dee fee fi fo fum ayli bayli elvi ist ost tist tost afi ayfi or God knows what other description some of you guys come up with. Just a Muslim.
OOOOOHHHHHH. Even I felt that one.
PeacePeace be upon you,
with all due Respect.I don't mind repeating myself but i really hope you can see this link http//www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/al-salat_%28P1192%29.html
Regarding charity, i've already said 2215,219, 6141.
Please, please, for the Love of God The Most Merciful either ask some other question or i will go insane here, God forbid. Ask anything else because if you don't wanna look and read at the links and verses provided then i don't know what are we doing here anyway?
Peace.
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Dear OPF & Co
Now that I'm back, let's have a look at your super duper sect saving answer (you know, like a knight in shining armour coming to the rescue of a damsel in distress).
Your answer in a nutshell is that the intelligent minority elite using a grand evil plan have misled the majority (us) because we are stupid. You have given some 'cock and bull' story and reasons for your analogy and are now patting yourself on the back with a big smile.
Ok, let's admit for one second that we (the majority of the billion plus muslims) are the stupids. Absolutely no problem.
Now, taking your reasoning and logic into account, how stupid down the stupidity chain do you guys rank considering you guys are not in a position of power, you have no eliteness in your circles, you have no authority in the Islamic world, you have minimal understanding of the Arabic language and Quran, you have barely 100 years of experience, your membership/adherants barely touch God knows how much %, maybe 1% if that, you guys are ashamed of what you believe and follow and always hide behind disguises because you don't want to upset the balance?
If we are to take the minority over majority argument which you tried to twist in your favour, then the only thing you have in common with the 'evil elite', is the term 'minority'. Nothing else. You have absolutely nothing else in common with your analogy. We are the major stupids and you are the minor stupids, but we have everything over you and are in power with the duty to uphold the House of God. This must mean that no word exists to define your lack of intellect. You guys are at the bottom of the barrel begging to get your warped whispers heard. This is the reality.
The answer you have given is nothing short of something donkey from shrek would have blurted out. Ludicrous.
Your sect unfortunately is based purely on individual conjecture with absolutely no evidence at all to back up your claims.
We are using the Quran just like you are but we still have over 1300 years and a billion plus members over you. Why?
If you guys are right and we are wrong, why are more people in the world reverting to Islam and have been since your inception over the last 100 years and choosing the traditional way rather than your newly invented deviant way? It's not as though someone is hypnotising, forcing, bribing, conning or threatening them to choose our way over your way is it now? For people like you to make sweeping statements and class every Muslim over the last 1400 years as stupid because they are the majority and they don't follow your newly invented way confirms exactly what you guys stand for. Deviancy!
And as far as the why not join the Christain sects because they are the majority argument is concerned. What part of the english language do you guys not understand? The Christians do not use the Quran as their guide! We do. You cannot compare apples and oranges and say both are the same. We use Quran and you use Quran but we are still the majority.
Now take that to the bank and cash it!
Peace
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Zulu,
We are using the Quran just like you are but we still have over 1300 years and a billion plus members over you
Your logic (if we can call it that) reminds me of 128 For they said "Joseph and his brother are more loved by our father than us, while we are a numerous group. Our father is clearly misguided." Clearly, Joseph was astray as well since he was outnumbered by his brothers! Now this is what I call logic.
Who uses an appeal to popularity/authority? Please see 1973.
Now take that to the bank and cash it!
For your sake, I hope you kept the receipt.
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Dear Ayisha
You conveniently forgot to also mention the following, which shouldn't be surprising because this is the way deviancy and diversion tactics are instilled by the Desire Minds and are the core of the movement
.......how stupid down the stupidity chain do you guys rank considering you guys are not in a position of power, you have no eliteness in your circles, you have no authority in the Islamic world, you have minimal understanding of the Arabic language and Quran, you have barely 100 years of experience, your membership/adherants barely touch God knows how much %, maybe 1% if that, you guys are ashamed of what you believe and follow and always hide behind disguises because you don't want to upset the balance?
Lifes not fair, I know, but you do have my sympathies, honestly you do being at the bottom thinking you 're at the top ;D
Peace
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Dear Ayisha
You conveniently forgot to also mention the following, which shouldn't be surprising because this is the way deviancy and diversion tactics are instilled by the Desire Minds and are the core of the movement
.......how stupid down the stupidity chain do you guys rank considering you guys are not in a position of power, you have no eliteness in your circles, you have no authority in the Islamic world, you have minimal understanding of the Arabic language and Quran, you have barely 100 years of experience, your membership/adherants barely touch God knows how much %, maybe 1% if that, you guys are ashamed of what you believe and follow and always hide behind disguises because you don't want to upset the balance?
Lifes not fair, I know, but you do have my sympathies, honestly you do being at the bottom thinking you 're at the top ;D
Peace
Dear Zulu
of course I didnt forget to mention that as I was dealing with the ONLY FACT you posted, so this BS didnt really come into it.As for being at the bottom thinking im at the top, no way and that is your delusional mind working to think I think that because thats how your mind works as we see from the 'i am better than you coz my gang has been here longer and is bigger than your measly gang' attitude. I dont CARE if I was the only person on earth who thought the way I do, I dont CARE if your 'gang' is bigger then my 'gang' or if all your 'gang' want to catch me on a street corner and beat crap out of me, you wont make me think your 'gang' is better and right just because they are a bigger 'gang', which IS what you are trying to do.
You are delusional and you are arrogant but thats fine by me if thats how YOU see you should behave and makes you feel good in your 'gang' of bullies. Personally I dont like bullies and I wont associate with them no matter who they might think they are.For me you have shown your true colours, and they aint pretty colours, but they are the colours of the rest of your 'gang' of bullies who think they are the best and come to forums like this to jeer and stir trouble, not to DEBATE as you obviously dont have the skills for that or the mentality, but to goad and jeer and make you and your 'gang' feel good about themselves.
peace
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For me you have shown your true colours, and they aint pretty colours, but they are the colours of the rest of your 'gang' of bullies who think they are the best and come to forums like this to jeer and stir trouble, not to DEBATE as you obviously dont have the skills for that or the mentality, but to goad and jeer and make you and your 'gang' feel good about themselves.
peace
A peace sign is not in the quran... and that is much hearsay.
"It was mercy from GOD that you became compassionate towards them. Had you been harsh and mean-hearted, they would have abandoned you. Therefore, you shall pardon them and ask forgiveness for them, and consult them. Once you make a decision, carry out your plan, and trust in GOD. GOD loves those who trust in Him." (3159)
(172 Even if you have to turn away from them, as you pursue the mercy of your Lord, you shall treat them in the nicest manner.
(1753) Tell My servants to treat each other in the best possible manner, for the devil will always try to drive a wedge among them. Surely, the devil is man's most ardent enemy.
(7310) And remain steadfast in the face of their utterances, and disregard them in a nice manner.
Do NOT Say 'Bad' things
(2263) Kind words and compassion are better than a charity that is followed by insult. GOD is Rich, Clement.
(2264) O you who believe, do not nullify your charities by inflicting reproach and insult, like one who spends his money to show off, while disbelieving in GOD and the Last Day. His example is like a rock covered with a thin layer of soil; as soon as heavy rain falls, it washes off the soil, leaving it a useless rock. They gain nothing from their efforts. GOD does not guide disbelieving people."And the example of the bad word is that of a bad tree chopped at the soil level; it has no roots to keep it firm." (1426)
(414 GOD does not like the utterance of bad language, unless one is treated with gross injustice. GOD is Hearer, Knower.
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A peace sign is not in the quran... and that is much hearsay.
In fact, it is a Teutonii symbol, sometimes invoked for protection...
spun upside down, with a circle placed around it.It can be traced back to Phoenician, like many other languages and cultures.
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For me you have shown your true colours, and they aint pretty colours, but they are the colours of the rest of your 'gang' of bullies who think they are the best and come to forums like this to jeer and stir trouble, not to DEBATE as you obviously dont have the skills for that or the mentality, but to goad and jeer and make you and your 'gang' feel good about themselves.
"They" also claimed to be a man at one point and then turned around and claimed to be a bimbo on the other thread. I can only think that this gang mentality permeates everything, even posting on a forum. It's quite amazing.peace
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"They" also claimed to be a man at one point and then turned around and claimed to be a bimbo on the other thread. I can only think that this gang mentality permeates everything, even posting on a forum. It's quite amazing.
peace
split personality? bisexual? one man gang? ;D
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husband/wife duo? Man by day woman by night? Masked marauders paid by the hand of plenty? Oompa loompa crew? Oh, the possibilities are infinite D
I have a new tagline now...put up or shut up! So, how about you defend your assertions? Put up or shut up! Your herd mentality is illogical...put up or shut up! Why aren't you discussing what you brought up? I'm a bimbo now put up or shut up! Okay, why don't you shut up since you aren't putting up? Put up or shut up! <and then run like hell, wait for it to blow over and rinse and repeat>
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Whilst you guys are barking at the tree hoping for the apple to drop, we are going to the shops and buying them! This is the difference.
When asked for proof, we say to the whole world, 'our proof is all around the world for everyone to see'. And when you are asked for proof, you say 'ours is ..............ummmmmmm.......... hold on ......................nearly there.............give me a sec..........................just at the tip of my tongue.........................be with you soon...........................ummmmmmmm.............................just had it................................ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm......................I swear I had it............................ummmmmmmmmmmmmm..........................you know what I mean............................ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............................'
Where is yours? Yes, where is your proof?
We would sound condescending to you guys because it's you guys who are the inferiors in every way one looks at it, but claim to be the 'chosen ones' with absolutely nothing to base your claims on. Strictly conjecture. How many reverts from all walks of life, creed, colour, religious affiliation have you joining your ranks compared to ours? How many?
Like I said before, it's 1300 years (us) v 100 years (you) and 1 billion plus members (us) v ? (God knows what) (you) whilst we both use the Quran as the source of our guidance. In reality it's over 1400 years, but I am using your calculations thus the 1300 year figure, to make the pain easier on you.
We are the worshippers of Allah SWT. We are the Believers. We are the followers of the Quran. We are the men of knowledge, We are the patient, We are the Devout and We are the Muslims who have chosen Islam as our Way of Life which the Quran mentions.
Not you.
And on a seperate note, for all the members of the 'hateration nation'. If you work hard, pray hard..............oops, I forgot, you don't pray ;D, and accept what destiny has given you, remove envy from your hearts, maybe you might also be able to afford a shopping spree one day without hating'. Heck, you might even be able to have a take away once a week!
432 Hence, do not covet the bounties which God has bestowed more abundantly on some of you than on others. Men shall have a benefit from what they earn, and women shall have a benefit from what they earn. Ask, therefore, God out of His bounty behold, God has indeed full knowledge of everything.
Can't ask you to 'put up or shut up' anymore because you can't do either, so the new one for you is 'don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk'.
Peace