Some questions to which Quran only followers can't answr, basically they can't !
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And when Our clear revelations were recited to them, those who rejected said to those who believed "Which of the two groups of ours is more in authority and more prosperous?
1973And if you obey the majority of those on earth they will lead you astray; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.
6116oh please! these verses are talking about non-muslims only! thanks
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can you provide proof of that?
There are approx 1 billion more Christians than there are muslims in this world so they are the majority.
what is your proof that they are in majority?
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You're on the net, search as I did.
yea so they claim but how you verify?
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think you should read them again ;D
still the same!
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no hope for you then ;D
thanks and same to you!
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Once again, how can we (and by this I mean the majority if not the whole of the Muslim community) be wrong with over 1300 years experience and knowledge and you guys be right with only 100 years of experience and knowlege when we both have identical source (the Quran) as our guidance?
Peace
Seeing how nobody else seems to have answered this, I will. The actual message of my post is fairly simple but seeing as you like stories, I hereby declare this time to be story time!
The answer is simple, the intelligent/leaders rule over the stupid and the intelligent are a minority while the stupid/followers are a majority, where intelligent = those who seek to understand the global picture and stupid = those who merely wish to live life in flow with the majority. Of these groups, there is a general tendency towards good/evil per member. An intelligent evil being commands more power than a stupid good/evil being (though a good intelligent being commands more power than them all) because that is the nature of intelligence - it amplifies one's ability to cause action in the global landscape should one decide to use their intelligence for such a purpose.
Now we can hypothesise as to what occured but I do not have the time for that. My perception of it is that a small power elite plotted to overthrow the system at some point after the death of the messenger, just as what occured with the prior Abrahamic religions. "They", the general group inclining the global perception of "islam" towards this state turned deen into religion out of malice or merely out of stupidity and idol worship or attempting to command the power of islam to their own benefits or a general combination of these factors.
With evil techniques such as deception/manipulation/subversion (essentially redefining evil as good), the intelligent leaders of this group of evil directed people away from the path of the One in the same manner as before. They induced small distortions here and there in the interpretation where it was safe - these distortions would fly over the heads of the stupid majority who are caught up in ego-based desires anyway. These people have an incredibly materialistic powerful feature which will be their eventual downfall in the hereafter - their genetic lack of empathy and hence disregard for the condition of their fellow man. However, they must exist, their purpose is to merely act in a way that filters out the wheat from the chaff - the useful submitting souls who submit to the love of divine unity irrespective of others' choice of fear and those who want to be led astray for illusory worldly gains.
As we know from physics, where there is resonance, a small vibration will be amplified and soon it will encompass the system. The stupid followers resonated with these small vibrations of disguised evil until it built momentum and eventually reinforced itself via human ignorance over the course of several generations, in the same manner that if you add a drop of red food colouring to a gallon of pure distilled water, it will turn a red colour. Another way to picture it which is perhaps more quranic is to imagine that every soul has a path, to get from A to B, south to north. Let's suppose that point B is a mountain far far away, yet barely visible. The easiest way to get from A=>B as geometry tells us, is a "straight path".
Now if instead you walk towards point C on the map, which is 100 miles directly east of point B, you have deviated from the Straight Path. The more time goes on, the further your trajectory deviates from the Straight Path. Now suppose an illegal cab driver rolls up to these unfortunate souls and says "Hey suckers, do you want to get to point B very fast? Then follow me, hop in my cab and I'll get you there faster than you can say "sallallahualaihiwasalam"! It will only cost you a couple of dirhams, I promise".
Little do they know, this illegal cab driver is going to take them for the ride of their life. He merely wants to jack up the meter reading on the taxi so his corporation can profit and in turn he gets his illegal dues. Fuck the feelings & eternal fates of the people, his material gain is far more important. So he drives a couple of people around and shows them around the African Savannah, the Himalayas, all sorts, giving them a nice tour but all the while, suppressing every question of "Are we there yet?" and "So, where's B? It was in clear view when we were at A, now it's nowhere to be seen" with an answer of "Are you qualified to be a taxi driver? You've clearly never driven a day in your life, if you wanna get to B then go get a cab for yourself".
Of course, you have to get the cab off the Supreme (illegal) Agency and get accredited by them and once you join the ranks you can then drive others around. And of course, once a member of the idiocy joins the illegal cab agency and gets trained by them in becoming a leader of stupidity, he then becomes a leader of stupidity, not merely a follower. Eventually, the majority of the population are either getting driven around in these illegal cabs or they have joined the ranks of the illegal cab drivers and now ferry around other idiots.
Then because all the cab drivers have no idea where point B actually is (the original dudes did but they iddn't really care, getting from A=>B doesn't jack up dirhams on the meter), they have to ask each other what's going on. Those of the follower ranks who are now cab drivers realise that they have no idea where point B is, and they've got all these angry people on their nuts demanding where their hard earned cash is going. So a cab driver named Bukhari says "I'll go ask the other drivers from back in the day" but then it turns out that those drivers long popped their clogs, and he must now ask all the other cab drivers where they think point B is, despite none of them ever having been to point B (because if you get to point B, there is no need to pay for a cab anyway, they are in abundance).
Eventually he collects a set of directions from all sorts of random peeps he sees on the road who he has heard are good drivers (keeping in mind he does not know what is going on directly behind his head) and then he creates a roadmap called "Sahih Al-Bukhari". If you open "Sahih Al-Bukhari", it's crazy. You think non-Euclidean geometry is hard to get your head around? Wait till you see Bukhari's theory of mapmaking geometry. Perhaps it ties in Heisenberg's uncertainty principle with the science of mapmaking. Either way, it needs all these scholars to work on it for a reason. Wild goose chases are fun, especially when you can rack up points on the old cab meter while driving a bunch of submissive fools around who will give you anything because it has now been so long that they are tired, hungry, depressed, isolated, and confused beyond belief, not to mention that they need to pee really badly.
Thus were the books of ahadeeth written, religious wars occured further cementing the division between people (emotional significance of events resulting in the association in the ego brain that "if I'm killing someone else for this, it must be worth it", all sides of whom supposedly followed the path of the one true eternal creator and the rest as they say, is history.
As a result of the resonance, time is no matter. In fact, the more time dedicated to resonating against the way of Allah, the more the resonance amplifies, this we know through our study of the world and also from the book of the divine creator. The converse is true but relatively few beings wish to resonate with the wishes of the creator.
Peace.
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Seeing how nobody else seems to have answered this, I will. The actual message of my post is fairly simple but seeing as you like stories, I hereby declare this time to be story time!
The answer is simple, the intelligent/leaders rule over the stupid and the intelligent are a minority while the stupid/followers are a majority, where intelligent = those who seek to understand the global picture and stupid = those who merely wish to live life in flow with the majority. Of these groups, there is a general tendency towards good/evil per member. An intelligent evil being commands more power than a stupid good/evil being (though a good intelligent being commands more power than them all) because that is the nature of intelligence - it amplifies one's ability to cause action in the global landscape should one decide to use their intelligence for such a purpose.
Now we can hypothesise as to what occured but I do not have the time for that. My perception of it is that a small power elite plotted to overthrow the system at some point after the death of the messenger, just as what occured with the prior Abrahamic religions. "They", the general group inclining the global perception of "islam" towards this state turned deen into religion out of malice or merely out of stupidity and idol worship or attempting to command the power of islam to their own benefits or a general combination of these factors.
With evil techniques such as deception/manipulation/subversion (essentially redefining evil as good), the intelligent leaders of this group of evil directed people away from the path of the One in the same manner as before. They induced small distortions here and there in the interpretation where it was safe - these distortions would fly over the heads of the stupid majority who are caught up in ego-based desires anyway. These people have an incredibly materialistic powerful feature which will be their eventual downfall in the hereafter - their genetic lack of empathy and hence disregard for the condition of their fellow man. However, they must exist, their purpose is to merely act in a way that filters out the wheat from the chaff - the useful submitting souls who submit to the love of divine unity irrespective of others' choice of fear and those who want to be led astray for illusory worldly gains.
As we know from physics, where there is resonance, a small vibration will be amplified and soon it will encompass the system. The stupid followers resonated with these small vibrations of disguised evil until it built momentum and eventually reinforced itself via human ignorance over the course of several generations, in the same manner that if you add a drop of red food colouring to a gallon of pure distilled water, it will turn a red colour. Another way to picture it which is perhaps more quranic is to imagine that every soul has a path, to get from A to B, south to north. Let's suppose that point B is a mountain far far away, yet barely visible. The easiest way to get from A=>B as geometry tells us, is a "straight path".
Now if instead you walk towards point C on the map, which is 100 miles directly east of point B, you have deviated from the Straight Path. The more time goes on, the further your trajectory deviates from the Straight Path. Now suppose an illegal cab driver rolls up to these unfortunate souls and says "Hey suckers, do you want to get to point B very fast? Then follow me, hop in my cab and I'll get you there faster than you can say "sallallahualaihiwasalam"! It will only cost you a couple of dirhams, I promise".
Little do they know, this illegal cab driver is going to take them for the ride of their life. He merely wants to jack up the meter reading on the taxi so his corporation can profit and in turn he gets his illegal dues. Fuck the feelings & eternal fates of the people, his material gain is far more important. So he drives a couple of people around and shows them around the African Savannah, the Himalayas, all sorts, giving them a nice tour but all the while, suppressing every question of "Are we there yet?" and "So, where's B? It was in clear view when we were at A, now it's nowhere to be seen" with an answer of "Are you qualified to be a taxi driver? You've clearly never driven a day in your life, if you wanna get to B then go get a cab for yourself".
Of course, you have to get the cab off the Supreme (illegal) Agency and get accredited by them and once you join the ranks you can then drive others around. And of course, once a member of the idiocy joins the illegal cab agency and gets trained by them in becoming a leader of stupidity, he then becomes a leader of stupidity, not merely a follower. Eventually, the majority of the population are either getting driven around in these illegal cabs or they have joined the ranks of the illegal cab drivers and now ferry around other idiots.
Then because all the cab drivers have no idea where point B actually is (the original dudes did but they iddn't really care, getting from A=>B doesn't jack up dirhams on the meter), they have to ask each other what's going on. Those of the follower ranks who are now cab drivers realise that they have no idea where point B is, and they've got all these angry people on their nuts demanding where their hard earned cash is going. So a cab driver named Bukhari says "I'll go ask the other drivers from back in the day" but then it turns out that those drivers long popped their clogs, and he must now ask all the other cab drivers where they think point B is, despite none of them ever having been to point B (because if you get to point B, there is no need to pay for a cab anyway, they are in abundance).
Eventually he collects a set of directions from all sorts of random peeps he sees on the road who he has heard are good drivers (keeping in mind he does not know what is going on directly behind his head) and then he creates a roadmap called "Sahih Al-Bukhari". If you open "Sahih Al-Bukhari", it's crazy. You think non-Euclidean geometry is hard to get your head around? Wait till you see Bukhari's theory of mapmaking geometry. Perhaps it ties in Heisenberg's uncertainty principle with the science of mapmaking. Either way, it needs all these scholars to work on it for a reason. Wild goose chases are fun, especially when you can rack up points on the old cab meter while driving a bunch of submissive fools around who will give you anything because it has now been so long that they are tired, hungry, depressed, isolated, and confused beyond belief, not to mention that they need to pee really badly.
Thus were the books of ahadeeth written, religious wars occured further cementing the division between people (emotional significance of events resulting in the association in the ego brain that "if I'm killing someone else for this, it must be worth it", all sides of whom supposedly followed the path of the one true eternal creator and the rest as they say, is history.
As a result of the resonance, time is no matter. In fact, the more time dedicated to resonating against the way of Allah, the more the resonance amplifies, this we know through our study of the world and also from the book of the divine creator. The converse is true but relatively few beings wish to resonate with the wishes of the creator.
Peace.
Perfect! I enjoyed that ;D
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The beauty of it this time around is that the power elite did not stand a chance against the almighty in modifying "his" words this time round, so they had to create a secondary source then divert attention to that via means of distortion & cunning (a la "we hear, and we disobey" in the quran). This conveniently gives the truth seekers out there two books which are associated with what is called "Islam", a book of absolute purity and guidance for a heart truthful to itself and in turn THE Self and also, a book of raw bullshit that glitters like a polished turd. You couldn't do that with the prior books because there was no such thing as a sieve back then, and all things are from the creator.
So just like making coffee, you strain away the residue and chuck that in the bin where it belongs. How do you know what is residue? You look at what is good coffee.
The quran is the best coffee of them all and from the creator of the whole frickin universe, I would expect no less. However hadeethists seem to have gotten it into their heads that despite creating the entire frickin universe, which stretches approximately 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 individual bits of space in any direction that we can observe (there is more!), he can't write a book that might perhaps explain what's going on to a bunch of beings he himself created which only take up some obscurely negligible fraction of creation - the mind boggles. Also, in terms of Planck volumes this universe is pretty damn obscenely huge, the above number is merely the radius of the visible universe in Planck lengths i.e. natural units, cube it to get a measure of the volume of space (8.3*10^184 planck volumes which, as you cannot imagine, is a pretty big number), and imagine trying to code for the energy content of each individual bit (you have the entire light spectrum at your disposal - a range of frequencies and wavelengths from barely over 0 to infinity) then factor in that it is divinely ordained that we know jack shit about anything outside our light cone which is constantly expanding.
4057 - Certainly the creation of the universe is greater than the creation of the men, but most people do not know
I have faith in one thing, and one thing alone - if there is a God, he damn well knows what he's on about (there is fundamentally no "if" in reality, but we can't even get to that when we haven't even evolved from following ahadeeth/conjecture).
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Unfortunately, some extreme hadithistes changed the main purpose of this topic.
I am only from those who are searching the middle way to practice/to follow Islam (as a way of life) and one thing is sure that to follow only Quran is not the middle way to practice/to follow Islam and to rely more on Ahadiths than the Quran is also not the best way.
The middle one is the best...(Audible informations and Visual informations). All the rest, we can throw in the dustbin.
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The problem is, the audible information is saying 'stand up' while the visual information is doing a 'sit down'. You may as well be doing a khatak dance to the tune of an irish jig.
This is an issue which Jawad never dares to confront.
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Like I said. How can we (and by this I mean the majority if not the whole of the Muslim community) be wrong with over 1300 years experience and knowledge and you guys be right with only 100 years of experience and knowlege when we both have identical source (the Quran) as our guidance?
What is pathetic is that we have asked your deviant sect for descriptions of Salaat, Saum, Zakaat, Hajj and literally everything else related to the Islamic way of life and you dudes could not and can never answer as long as you take the stance that you currently do.
In order to make it easier for you I have asked you guys a very basic question which has absolutely nothing to do with the usual Salaat, Saum, Zakaat and Hajj questions which you guys could never answer anyway and any sane person with average intellect could ponder over and grasp might be able to answer.
Once again, how can we (and by this I mean the majority if not the whole of the Muslim community) be wrong with over 1300 years experience and knowledge and you guys be right with only 100 years of experience and knowlege when we both have identical source (the Quran) as our guidance?
And Ayisha, your response comparing our wrongness with Jews and Christians is flawed from the offset. The Jews and Christians did not and do not use the Quran as their guide. So please try again.
Peace
And your asking in doing so violates both the quran and the sunnah, and makes you look like a jew.
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Salaam,
If that is your criteria to judge the true belief system, why don't you convert to Christianity? As far I know, the Christians are the majority and they've been here longer (around 2000 years).
Salaam.
Christians aren't a majority, the largest sect amongst the christians are the catholics... but there are more muslims than catholics such who go and worship in the same mosque.
And no Jesus's message was completed by the last prophet, so you can't go back to something that was incomplete.
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Christians aren't a majority, the largest sect amongst the christians are the catholics... but there are more muslims than catholics such who go and worship in the same mosque.
Christians are a majority as a whole, you cant compare a sect of Christians then use 'Muslims' as a whole. As a whole, Christians are a majority to Muslims as a whole.
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Christians are a majority as a whole, you cant compare a sect of Christians then use 'Muslims' as a whole. As a whole, Christians are a majority to Muslims as a whole.
No... the a non-catholic would not be known to pray in a catholic's church.
They'd say "I'm not catholic"
As those who call themselves "sects"... there are a far few secters amongst the muslims than christians. You get what I'm saying.