Some questions to which Quran only followers can't answr, basically they can't !
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Like I said. How can we (and by this I mean the majority if not the whole of the Muslim community) be wrong with over 1300 years experience and knowledge and you guys be right with only 100 years of experience and knowlege when we both have identical source (the Quran) as our guidance?
What is pathetic is that we have asked your deviant sect for descriptions of Salaat, Saum, Zakaat, Hajj and literally everything else related to the Islamic way of life and you dudes could not and can never answer as long as you take the stance that you currently do.
In order to make it easier for you I have asked you guys a very basic question which has absolutely nothing to do with the usual Salaat, Saum, Zakaat and Hajj questions which you guys could never answer anyway and any sane person with average intellect could ponder over and grasp might be able to answer.
Once again, how can we (and by this I mean the majority if not the whole of the Muslim community) be wrong with over 1300 years experience and knowledge and you guys be right with only 100 years of experience and knowlege when we both have identical source (the Quran) as our guidance?
And Ayisha, your response comparing our wrongness with Jews and Christians is flawed from the offset. The Jews and Christians did not and do not use the Quran as their guide. So please try again.
Peace
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Like I said. How can we (and by this I mean the majority if not the whole of the Muslim community) be wrong with over 1300 years experience and knowledge and you guys be right with only 100 years of experience and knowlege when we both have identical source (the Quran) as our guidance?
Because, my dear fellow, you guys only CLAIM you have the Quran as your source. Don?t get me wrong, I believe Sunnism has a great system of spirituality (when you remove Islamofascist elements) but Sunnism?s treatment of Quran is terrible.
Why don?t you actually TEST your hypothesis Does Sunnism actually follow the Quran? Test the most fundamental principle
Does Sunnism allow complete freedom of religion (even for Muslims to renege against Islam). If not, why?
What is pathetic is that we have asked your deviant sect for descriptions of Salaat, Saum, Zakaat, Hajj and literally everything else related to the Islamic way of life and you dudes could not and can never answer as long as you take the stance that you currently do.
Firstly, the problem is you have a PRECONCEPTION of what these concepts are. THAT is why you ppl ask ?how do you pray? when faced with the possibility of Quran only.
The fact is, you cannot accept the Quran how it is. You NEED the Quran to speak a certain way in order to get the religion YOU seek. That is why you find the Quranists? position deplorable.
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Answer the question please, rather than 'getting your knickers in a twist' or just say 'I don't know'.
The reason why the whole of the Muslim community find you dudes deplorable is because you guys are hiding behind the Quran, pretending to follow the Quran, when in fact you guys don't follow the Quran.
Change name to 'Al Pretenderists'. ;D
Peace
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The question is answered. Observe you repeated the question from the top. But I will indulge you
Zulu
In order to make it easier for you I have asked you guys a very basic question which has absolutely nothing to do with the usual Salaat, Saum, Zakaat and Hajj questions which you guys could never answer anyway and any sane person with average intellect could ponder over and grasp might be able to answer.
Once again, how can we (and by this I mean the majority if not the whole of the Muslim community) be wrong with over 1300 years experience and knowledge and you guys be right with only 100 years of experience and knowlege when we both have identical source (the Quran) as our guidance?
Because, my dear fellow, you guys only CLAIM you have the Quran as your source. Don?t get me wrong, I believe Sunnism has a great system of spirituality (when you remove Islamofascist elements) but Sunnism?s treatment of Quran is terrible.
Why don?t you actually TEST your hypothesis Does Sunnism actually follow the Quran? Test the most fundamental principle
Does Sunnism allow complete freedom of religion (even for Muslims to renege against Islam). If not, why?
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The reason why the whole of the Muslim community find you dudes deplorable is because you guys are hiding behind the Quran, pretending to follow the Quran, when in fact you guys don't follow the Quran.
Change name to 'Al Pretenderists'. ;DKindly show me where Quranists PRETEND to follow the Quran. If you got the bottle, that is.
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Salaat please.
Zakaat please.
Hajj please.
Call for prayer please.
Men of knowledge please.
Obeying the Messenger please.
Sending Blessings on the Prophet PBUH please.
It's back to basics and the repetative parrot syndrome with you guys. Why am I even wasting my time asking questions which could not be answered by you guys for over a hundred years when the easy 1300 v 100 could not be answered. Maybe you are the Chosen One and can save the deviant sect from more deviancy by actually answering with authority?
And to finally put a nail in the coffin, I am not a Sunni. Yes, sorry to pull the rug from under your feet and shatter your world, I am a Muslim. Not nni ia bee dee fee fi fo fum ayli bayli elvi ist ost tist tost afi ayfi or God knows what other description some of you guys come up with. Just a Muslim.
OOOOOHHHHHH. Even I felt that one.
Peace
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Like I said. How can we (and by this I mean the majority if not the whole of the Muslim community) be wrong with over 1300 years experience and knowledge and you guys be right with only 100 years of experience and knowlege when we both have identical source (the Quran) as our guidance?
but you dont use Quran as guidence, you use hadith because according to your sect, hadith 'explain' Quran, without hadith you find you are unable to understand it as it doesnt give you the rituals in detail that you desire. You use hadith to give you all the rituals that you think have been left out of Quran and left to Muhammed to show you. if there was a specific detailed way to pray then it would be IN the Quran which is fully detailed with every kind of example you NEED to follow Allah. What you desire is rituals to follow the prophet.What is pathetic is that we have asked your deviant sect for descriptions of Salaat, Saum, Zakaat, Hajj and literally everything else related to the Islamic way of life and you dudes could not and can never answer as long as you take the stance that you currently do.
this makes me roll up how you hadithist sects call one who follows the Quran a 'deviant sect' ;D You just dont get it do you? You are to follow Quran, follow Allah, just like Muhammed and all the other prophets did. The 'Islamic way of life' as you call it is the invented by man stuff and the deviant sect.In order to make it easier for you I have asked you guys a very basic question which has absolutely nothing to do with the usual Salaat, Saum, Zakaat and Hajj questions which you guys could never answer anyway and any sane person with average intellect could ponder over and grasp might be able to answer.
Once again, how can we (and by this I mean the majority if not the whole of the Muslim community) be wrong with over 1300 years experience and knowledge and you guys be right with only 100 years of experience and knowlege when we both have identical source (the Quran) as our guidance?
that has been answered but you ignore those answers as they dont match what you want to hear. Quran has been with us over 1400 years, followers of Quran have been with us over 1400 years. your sects sprang up after the death of Muhammed.And Ayisha, your response comparing our wrongness with Jews and Christians is flawed from the offset. The Jews and Christians did not and do not use the Quran as their guide. So please try again.
but Allah did use these and their erorrs as examples of what NOT to do, your misinterpretation of that is flawed. The message has been sent in parts, only the last part is Quran or what was Abraham and Moses etc following? -
The easiest way to not answer a question is to counter ask a question in return. This is known as diversion tactics.
Take your time.
Peace
Are you illiterate or something? The answer has been given. If you can't address it, don't worry, you're not the first.
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Salaat please.
Zakaat please.
Hajj please.
Call for prayer please.
Men of knowledge please.
Obeying the Messenger please.
Sending Blessings on the Prophet PBUH please.
Lets start with salat so you can?t practise your slippery deception, ok?
Salat Connectivity with Allah through adherence to his system. Includes varios means.
Kindly refute.
When we?re done with this, we can proceed to other concepts.
And to finally put a nail in the coffin, I am not a Sunni. Yes, sorry to pull the rug from under your feet and shatter your world, I am a Muslim. Not nni ia bee dee fee fi fo fum ayli bayli elvi ist ost tist tost afi ayfi or God knows what other description some of you guys come up with. Just a Muslim.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it aint a chicken.
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Dear Ayisha
I implore you to spare me with the broken record repetative non answer syndrome.
I will be cruel to be kind now. We are the majority with over 1400 years experience and knowledge behind us and over a billion members and you are the minority with barely 100 years experience and knowledge with say 1000 members. I could be off by say 10 or 20, but I'm sure you get the drift! ;D
Until such time you command the majority and can answer the questions posed to your proponents for the last 100 years, you need to get back at the bottom of the ladder and wait in line for your turn.
As horrible as it may sound, it really is the best advice you can get.
Peace
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I will be cruel to be kind now. We are the majority with over 1400 years experience and knowledge behind us and over a billion members and you are the minority with barely 100 years experience and knowledge with say 1000 members. I could be off by say 10 or 20, but I'm sure you get the drift! ;D
PeaceYes! 1.2 billion of you guys and you guys are really rulling the world right now, as the Quran promised...ooops.
1400 years of experience and knowledge? Here's an example of that
The Prophet said, "It was said to the children of Israel, 'Enter the gate (of the town), prostrate (in humility) and say Hittatun (i.e. repentance) i.e. O Allah!
Forgive our sins.' But they entered by dragging themselves on their buttocks, so they did something different (from what they had been ordered to do) and said, 'Hittatun,' but added, "A grain in a hair."
What a fantastic tafseer!
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Yes! 1.2 billion of you guys and you guys are really rulling the world right now, as the Quran promised...ooops.
1400 years of experience and knowledge? Here's an example of that
The Prophet said, "It was said to the children of Israel, 'Enter the gate (of the town), prostrate (in humility) and say Hittatun (i.e. repentance) i.e. O Allah!
Forgive our sins.' But they entered by dragging themselves on their buttocks, so they did something different (from what they had been ordered to do) and said, 'Hittatun,' but added, "A grain in a hair."
What a fantastic tafseer!
how can you call yourself muslims when you cannot even agree with prophet Muhammad's interpretation of quran???
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how can you call yourself muslims when you cannot even agree with prophet Muhammad's interpretation of quran???
The Prophet was a human like me. He was prone to mistakes like me. So even if hadith came from him, I need to be satisfied that it actually fits with what Quran teaches.
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Dear Ayisha
I implore you to spare me with the broken record repetative non answer syndrome.
I will be cruel to be kind now. We are the majority with over 1400 years experience and knowledge behind us and over a billion members and you are the minority with barely 100 years experience and knowledge with say 1000 members. I could be off by say 10 or 20, but I'm sure you get the drift! ;D
Until such time you command the majority and can answer the questions posed to your proponents for the last 100 years, you need to get back at the bottom of the ladder and wait in line for your turn.
As horrible as it may sound, it really is the best advice you can get.
Peace
My dear zulu I dont think you are being cruel at all, I think you are being blind and deaf and I feel pity for you that you cannot see what is right in front of you. If you feel that following the majority is right, even though you are being led up the garden path and not the path of Allah, then thats fine, you dont have to explain yourself to me and you can show as much arrogance as you like, it makes no difference at all to what I believe and will continue to believe until someone can show me I am wrong, which you have failed miserably to do.
So, a question for you. Give me one GOOD reason why one should follow hadith?
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Dear Ayisha
I implore you to spare me with the broken record repetative non answer syndrome.
I will be cruel to be kind now. We are the majority with over 1400 years experience and knowledge behind us and over a billion members and you are the minority with barely 100 years experience and knowledge with say 1000 members. I could be off by say 10 or 20, but I'm sure you get the drift! ;D
Until such time you command the majority and can answer the questions posed to your proponents for the last 100 years, you need to get back at the bottom of the ladder and wait in line for your turn.
As horrible as it may sound, it really is the best advice you can get.
Peace
Salaam,
If that is your criteria to judge the true belief system, why don't you convert to Christianity? As far I know, the Christians are the majority and they've been here longer (around 2000 years).
Salaam.
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Salaam,
If that is your criteria to judge the true belief system, why don't you convert to Christianity? As far I know, the Christians are the majority and they've been here longer (around 2000 years).
Salaam.
Christians are not in majority! thanks.
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We are the majority with over 1400 years experience and knowledge behind us and over a billion members and you are the minority with barely 100 years experience and knowledge with say 1000 members. I could be off by say 10 or 20, but I'm sure you get the drift! ;D
And when Our clear revelations were recited to them, those who rejected said to those who believed "Which of the two groups of ours is more in authority and more prosperous?
1973And if you obey the majority of those on earth they will lead you astray; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.
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