The Most Dignified, the Most Elevated always comes as the last one
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I have no idea, but what is the point of this anyway? This is not a forum for the presidents of the world is it?
It is about accepting the principles and well defined and universally accepted norms. Is it siki's rocket science that one does not have idea about it. It is simple and plain visible thing, which I have stated, everywhere in the world. The point is that whether people accept this or even deny this plain narration of a fact.
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It is about accepting the principles and well defined and universally accepted norms. Is it siki's rocket science that one does not have idea about it. It is simple and plain visible thing, which I have stated, everywhere in the world. The point is that whether people accept this or even deny this plain narration of a fact.
but what is the POINT of this thread?
When your current president is dead and the next one comes they will do the same for him too
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and another thing, how can you claim that leaders of some of the most corrupt governments of the world are more dignified and elevated just because they walk into an assembly last and the national anthem is played?!! ) dignified and elevated hardly go together with corruption do they?
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and another thing, how can you claim that leaders of some of the most corrupt governments of the world are more dignified and elevated just because they walk into an assembly last and the national anthem is played?!! ) dignified and elevated hardly go together with corruption do they?
Hear, hear!
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King is dead, long live the king. This is what English people say.
Not in my lifetime they don't. This is for one king dying and a NEW king replacing him
The king is dead = our king has died
long life the king= a new king is crowned, in this instance a Queen was crowned -
Not in my lifetime they don't. This is for one king dying and a NEW king replacing him
The king is dead = our king has died
long life the king= a new king is crowned, in this instance a Queen was crownedThere are in some countries graves/memorials of unknown soldiers who are considered and respected as heroes of that nation. Dignatories of other countries pay visit, lay wreaths, stand in silence as gesture of respect and praise for the dead unknown soldier while the accompanying uniform personnel salute the grave. And they record words in a book praising and paying tributes to the dead soldier whose name is not even known. Are they worshipping a dead soldier? Is that dead person listening and seeing their praises, words of respect and salutations? Are they fools who do this? What you have to say about this?
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There are in some countries graves/memorials of unknown soldiers who are considered and respected as heroes of that nation. Dignatories of other countries pay visit, lay wreaths, stand in silence as gesture of respect and praise for the dead unknown soldier while the accompanying uniform personnel salute the grave. And they record words in a book praising and paying tributes to the dead soldier whose name is not even known. Are they worshipping a dead soldier? Is that dead person listening and seeing their praises, words of respect and salutations? Are they fools who do this? What you have to say about this?
What would you like me to say about this? ??? Get to the point Mazhar, what does this have to do with kings and corrupt government leaders and what does any of this have to do with your topic title?
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Mazhar
Just few undeniable realities and ground facts which most of the sensible people know and accept.
Ayisha
what is sensible in elevating and praising and paying tribute and respect to a corrupt President? We must have a very different idea of 'sensible'
most of the sensible people know and accept.
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Generally a dirty mind does not accept plain and universally accepted realities and norms and practices in the apprehension that some truth which he abhors may not eventually have to be accepted and keeps playing with irrelevant escapes.
Excuse me? What the hell are you talking about Mazhar? You start a thread about elevating the president of Pakistan and all the palava that goes with it for NO apparent point at all and now you're ranting about dirty minds not accepting WHAT exactly?
I have pointed out to you that I don't see anything sensible about praising a corrupt government official no matter who he is, and you go on to Kings. make your point Mazhar then we can discuss that but this beating about the bush to make some hidden point is just silly.
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I stated an accepted principle and practice, and in support gave an example what I have physically seen and observed in my own country. And then said that perhaps the same is the tradition worldover.
The Most Dignified, the Most Elevated always comes as the last one.
It is everyday experience that in any assembly-gathering of human beings the Most Dignified and Elevated amongst them arrives-comes- in the assembly after everyone has come. In Pakistan, the President of Pakistan arrives at any place of gathering when all others have come and seated and on his arrival everyone stands and upon his coming at the stage the national anthem is immediately played which reflects that the whole nation is paying him tribute and salutation and men and women in uniform in that gathering keep continuously saluting him throughout the national anthem is played. And perhaps so is the tradition the worldover.
The only point to be negated is the red one. Is it a fact or fabrication? Yes or No.
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There are in some countries graves/memorials of unknown soldiers who are considered and respected as heroes of that nation. Dignatories of other countries pay visit, lay wreaths, stand in silence as gesture of respect and praise for the dead unknown soldier while the accompanying uniform personnel salute the grave. And they record words in a book praising and paying tributes to the dead soldier whose name is not even known. Are they worshipping a dead soldier? Is that dead person listening and seeing their praises, words of respect and salutations? Are they fools who do this?
Why people do not comment about it? Why are they afraid to say this is a correct observation or is merely an imaginative thought of Mazhar?
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I stated an accepted principle and practice, and in support gave an example what I have physically seen and observed in my own country. And then said that perhaps the same is the tradition worldover.
Could you kindly supply some proof that what you described about the Pakistani government is an "accepted principle and practice"?
I am not trying to be facetious, I never thought about this. So I'm wondering if this is indeed a tradition everywhere, as you are suggesting.
But assuming it is, then I still don't get which point you are trying to make? Is it right? Is it wrong? Why are you telling us about this particular practice?
And ? more importantly ? what does the Qur'an tell us about traditions and established practices? As far as I recall, we are being warned not to follow traditions for traditions' sake, no?
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I stated an accepted principle and practice, and in support gave an example what I have physically seen and observed in my own country. And then said that perhaps the same is the tradition worldover.
"Quote from Mazhar on September 05, 2010, 074018 PM
The Most Dignified, the Most Elevated always comes as the last one.It is everyday experience that in any assembly-gathering of human beings the Most Dignified and Elevated amongst them arrives-comes- in the assembly after everyone has come. In Pakistan, the President of Pakistan arrives at any place of gathering when all others have come and seated and on his arrival everyone stands and upon his coming at the stage the national anthem is immediately played which reflects that the whole nation is paying him tribute and salutation and men and women in uniform in that gathering keep continuously saluting him throughout the national anthem is played. And perhaps so is the tradition the worldover. "
The only point to be negated is the red one. Is it a fact or fabrication? Yes or No.
Who cares? I understand there may be many from Pakistan here on this forum but obviously no one feels they need to discuss this or comment on it. Its like saying a red rose smells better than a yellow one, on a forum about Islam, no one wants to discuss this do they?And then was
There are in some countries graves/memorials of unknown soldiers who are considered and respected as heroes of that nation. Dignatories of other countries pay visit, lay wreaths, stand in silence as gesture of respect and praise for the dead unknown soldier while the accompanying uniform personnel salute the grave. And they record words in a book praising and paying tributes to the dead soldier whose name is not even known. Are they worshipping a dead soldier? Is that dead person listening and seeing their praises, words of respect and salutations? Are they fools who do this?
Why people do not comment about it? Why are they afraid to say this is a correct observation or is merely an imaginative thought of Mazhar?
They dont comment because there is a motive and point that you are keeping hidden and no one cares to comment on it until that is revealed, I don't know, I can't speak for all those here that have not bothered with this thread, all I know is that I asked what is the point and made some comments you don't seem to like about corruption and have indirectly been called a dirty mind and insulted over it.
If you want to discuss the praise you give to your corrupt president thats fine, but don't expect others to care what you praise or elevate when we all know this is tradition and FALSE.