9/11 Burning Of Quran Must Go On!
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Peace,
Respect.Only God knows what will happen if and when someone burns The Qur'an.
Last tiem this fella Rashad wanted to delete couple of verses and ended up pretty badly, yes?
I'd say it's not wise to play with The Book of God. Glory be to God.I'll stick to the topic, inshaAllah but I'll speak about differences regarding muslims, sunnis and shias and jewish, christians, buddists, hindus, atheists and agnostics on the other topic, relevant to it, okay? I've just returned from Speaker's Corner, Hyde Park and exchanged some words with sunnis regarding sunnah and hadeeth, one sunnis said I should be killed but never mind, then I observed a conversation between teenagers sunnis and shias, guys and girls regarding Ali and how or what he is or isn't and finally one sunni actually challeneged me for the meeting next sunday to provide evidence from The Qur'an where and how do we pray, since I told him that sunnah and hadeeth are not from messenger/prophet Muhammad but from Bukhary, Muslims, Dawood, Abu Baqr and so on.
Regarding the 9/11 issue.
Most people know that it was different then 7/7 bombings of thsoe buses in London. Unlike 7/7, 9/11 was an inside job and we all know that, that is a fact. Even Americans know and amdit that Bush lied and he lied a lot. He looked the world in the eyes and told them so many lies. May God gudie us all The Straight Path and increase us in knowledge. InshAllah.Regrading the burning of The Qur'an.
They have done worse things to The Book in Guantanamo Jail, yes? Would you agree to this? We have already witnessed what has been done to Qur'an. I witness every sunday, almost, what non-muslims say about Qur'an, Islam and muslims. If I had a cmarea, I'd bring evidence but maybe later, God willing.
nevertheless, someone will burn The Qur'an and then some sunni will react. God forbid should another expalosion happen but we all know that there is something called cause and effect.Theo van Gogh insulted Islam, Qur'an and muslims with his 10-minute movie Submission and eneded up cold on the streets with sopme lead and couple of knives in his chest.
Salman Rushide got honored and a special title for mocking Allah's words on TV. His address is 1 Fear Avenue, London, UK.
Jyllands-Posten showed how they view prophet/messenger Mohammad and that also did not end well.
Rashad Khalifa deleted two verses and came up with his appendix and ended up dead - unlike these other - in his own mosque.
Geert Wilders is next.
There seems to be emerging a pattern, yes?Whoever plays with God's words, mocks them, presents them wrongly or wants to fool God, ends up dead or dying of fear or worse, living in fear.
Therefore, whatever happens, if and when they burn The Qur'an, God forbid, they will get a reaction. Not from me but someone who is already angry 99.99 percent and needs that little drop to explode. Literally.Keep in mind,t hat plenty of sunnis burn American flags, forgetting that there are American muslims, that there are Americns who are in the process of accepting Islam, Americans who do not accept Islam but respect muslims and our Faith, Americans who are against invading Middle East. They should never be so hypocritical. Instead of buying a flag and a ligter, they should rather buy food and clothes and medicine, since they lack that and not anger.
Therefore, we should all do what benefits Islam right now let each one of us make contact with one non-muslim and see what we dis/agree on. For example on another forum (Islam forum topix) I asked what are the first things that come to your mind regarding Islam? Most people who answered, asked about beating women, is it true? They were referring to 434.
They shouldn't burn The Qur'an and we shouldn't burn The Bible.
On the contrary we should sit down, both of us, muslims and christians and discuss the only thing that separates us - trinity and crucifixion. This is the only thing that we disagree on with non-muslims, all other things are the same, God knows best.
Sorry for writing so long but I just came from long discussion and sunnis that I met and spoken to, have challeneged me to find for them where does Allah SWT say in The Qur'an how to pray. Gotta stay patient.
God bless you, sisters,brothers,
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Ayisha
and they call those who follow Quran only non muslims, so everybody'appears to be extremist then
Not All Shias and Sunnis call so called Quranists as Non Muslims, so you cannot call all of them Extremists, but Alen is an individual who calls other Muslims, NON MUSLIMS therefore he is an Extremist for sure. I think it is difficult for a lady like you to understand, who thinks each and every thing written by Rajah is to be countered, no matter how silly you appear.
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Salam
Theo van Gogh insulted Islam, Qur'an and muslims with his 10-minute movie Submission and eneded up cold on the streets with sopme lead and couple of knives in his chest.
Salman Rushide got honored and a special title for mocking Allah's words on TV. His address is 1 Fear Avenue, London, UK.
Jyllands-Posten showed how they view prophet/messenger Mohammad and that also did not end well.
Rashad Khalifa deleted two verses and came up with his appendix and ended up dead - unlike these other - in his own mosque.
Geert Wilders is next.There seems to be emerging a pattern, yes?
Indeed. The pattern is that crazy extremists who call themselves Muslims freak out and kill people whenever they feel their religion is being insulted.
Sad and frightening. http//www.imagebanana.com/img/q6owvuis/033102bad_1_prv.gif
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George
Alen is an extremist because he calls Sunni and Shias NON MUSLIMS, do you understand that brother.No I dont understand how Alen is an extremist by calling Sunni and Shias non muslims when it is they who (by the very fact that they call themselves Sunni and Shia) have disobeyed what GOD says in the Quran by dividing themselves into sects and it is they who have disobeyed GOD in the Quran by following hadiths outside the Quran and not Alen ???
7/7 was also an inside job
peace
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Ayisha
Not All Shias and Sunnis call so called Quranists as Non Muslims, so you cannot call all of them Extremists, but Alen is an individual who calls other Muslims, NON MUSLIMS therefore he is an Extremist for sure. I think it is difficult for a lady like you to understand, who thinks each and every thing written by Rajah is to be countered, no matter how silly you appear.This shows your typical mind set.
sunni call shia non muslim, as individuals and as a group they do this, therefore sunni are all extremists by your logic
Sunni call those who follow Quran only non muslims, sunni say Islam is Quran AND sunnah of Muhammed and as the 'majority' agree on this Islam from Allah has changed to Islam from Allah AND Bukhari
A Muslim follows Allah and what Allah said in His Book, the name Quranist is a label given by those that follow Bukhari and Quran, in that order, to those that follow Quran only and used actually as an insult.
One who follows Allah alone is a Muslim, not a Quranist
One who follows Allah and bukhari is a sunni muslimDid Allah mention anywhere about 'sunni' muslims or wahabi muslims or salafi muslims or shia muslims? Yes He did, He said DO NOT split this. Did He mention following hadith? Yes He did, he said THIS Hadith is the best Hadith and what other do you need AFTER this. Did He mention following a sunnah? Yes He did, sunnat Allah.
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Ayisha
This shows your typical mind set.
sunni call shia non muslim, as individuals and as a group they do this, therefore sunni are all extremists by your logicSunni call those who follow Quran only non muslims, sunni say Islam is Quran AND sunnah of Muhammed and as the 'majority' agree on this Islam from Allah has changed to Islam from Allah AND Bukhari
A Muslim follows Allah and what Allah said in His Book, the name Quranist is a label given by those that follow Bukhari and Quran, in that order, to those that follow Quran only and used actually as an insult.
One who follows Allah alone is a Muslim, not a Quranist
One who follows Allah and bukhari is a sunni muslimDid Allah mention anywhere about 'sunni' muslims or wahabi muslims or salafi muslims or shia muslims? Yes He did, He said DO NOT split this. Did He mention following hadith? Yes He did, he said THIS Hadith is the best Hadith and what other do you need AFTER this. Did He mention following a sunnah? Yes He did, sunnat Allah.
I know reality bites, but Alen or any one who calls other Muslim a Kaffir is an extremist.
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Ayisha
I know reality bites, but Alen or any one who calls other Muslim a Kaffir is an extremist.I agree with Rajaah, Alen is very extreme in his words
Sunnis and Shias may not be follow the core of Islam, the Quran attentively, and instead favour innovations of traditions. But they're still partly muslims, just not completely on the straight path, just as a Quranist may not understand salat, so he is not perfect. We all have our faults.
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Peace be upon you,
with all due Respect.@Raaajah.
Sunnis that I have met and keep meeting here and now, keep telling me that I am a kaffir, that I should be killed, that I am a liar, that I will end up in HellFire.
Now, I don't mind when they have an opinion about me, I'm always curious and love meeting new people and making ne wfriendships, Thank God. However, I don't like when sunnis make threats to end my life or tell me that they know who will end up in HellFire.First of all nowhere in The Qur'an, did I read about sunnis or sunni muslims, shias or shia muslims or wahabis or salafis or malikis or ahmadiyyas or something similar. I did hear about submitters, believers, nonbelievers and rejecters and so on. God knows best, Glory be to God.
Second If you heard what I heard yesterday at the Speaker's Corner where muslims, sunnis and christians meet every sunday to discuss what they believe and invite people into their belief system, you would not be only amazed - you would purchase a ticket to Venezuela and stay there until 2029.
Yesterday - Jamal is my witness - one sunni was inviting people to sunnism and called it Islam but he was doing it in such way, that you I saw only one thing not a man who is inviting non-muslims to Islam, but a person who wants to have more muslims or sunnis in his way of performing salah and more sunnis who will have beards and wear white robes and more women dressed in niqabs.
This man was interested only in numbers and not in Truth or quality of Faith. No one spoek to him. But for some reason he kept coming to me, asked me where in The Qur'an did Allah SWY say how much charity to give and when I told him about 2215, 219 and 6141, he kept asking where and how much. I repeated several more times the mentioned verses and even read them to him and showed them and he kept asking where and how much. I showed it to him and then he read it out loud and out of his mouth came this"Allah explains" and then he looked at me and said where?He became angry, walked away and later I heard him that I should be killed. There were some cops there due to high numbers of the visitors but nothing evil happened, Thank God. Unlike few sundays ago when cops came and took a man for shouting something in Arabic.
Third the sunnis I met cannot go by The Qur'an alone. They have assured me that I will never understand The Qur'an without prophet Mohammad explainging it to me, guess where? Yes, "prophet's sunnah and hadeeth". Keep in mind that even though they send peace and blessings upon Mohammad and only upon Mohammad, they send it very fast, like it matters very little.
I am a writer and could write easily 100 pages regarding this matter but won't.
I didn't call muslims kaffiroon.
I didn't call a muslim a kaffir.
I can't. If I did, can you provide evidence, please?I don't even hate nor call names, people who follow Rashad Khalifa and code19.
Why?
Because former followeras of RK and code19 is once again A Real, True Muslim.
He also introduced me to another Muslim, Thank God.What if these sunnis that I meet, tomorrow or after some years, become muslims?
I use to be a sunni but then I started thinking outside the box, remember?
I cloned sunnis but then I stopped and now I have Guidance.Be aware of God.
Peace. -
Salam
Indeed. The pattern is that crazy extremists who call themselves Muslims freak out and kill people whenever they feel their religion is being insulted.
Sad and frightening. http//www.imagebanana.com/img/q6owvuis/033102bad_1_prv.gif
Peace,
Respect.Truly frightening, sister.
I came clean shaven one day to Speaker's Corner one sunday and they guy started quoting only the hadeeth.
When I wanted to quote The Qur'an, he dismissed me.This is why I keep saying that Qur'an should not be burned but studied even more and we must tlak to sunnis maybe more then with non-muslims because non-muslims accept Islam and The Qur'an despite terrorism and explosions and honor killings and suicide bombers but sunnis .... may God guide them all to Straigth Path. InshaAllah.
May God guide us all on The Straight Path and Help us all.
God bless you.
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I agree with Rajaah, Alen is very extreme in his words
Sunnis and Shias may not be follow the core of Islam, the Quran attentively, and instead favour innovations of traditions. But they're still partly muslims, just not completely on the straight path, just as a Quranist may not understand salat, so he is not perfect. We all have our faults.
Peace,
Respect.Okay, are we discussing perfection of a muslim, perfection of a sunni, differences between sunnis and muslims or being partially this and that?
Let me know.Peace.
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Peace,
Respect.Okay, are we discussing perfection of a muslim, perfection of a sunni, differences between sunnis and muslims or being partially this and that?
Let me know.Alen,
Actually you were the one who started by calling them "Kaffirs".
We have to start from the house and try to make ourselves good examples by not calling others "Kaffirs" specially when we are not sure about ourselves.Alen
I came clean shaven one day to Speaker's Corner one sunday and they guy started quoting only the hadeeth.
When I wanted to quote The Qur'an, he dismissed me.and you dismissed him! game over? Is that the way you convince some one?
What Hadith he was quoting? about what? beard?
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Ayisha
I know reality bites, but Alen or any one who calls other Muslim a Kaffir is an extremist.see just how quickly that changed from what Alen DID actually say to what is now CLAIMED he said, and all that is in print and still managed to change within days.
@ Alen. I have also been threatened that I should be killed, if not on this forum then another forum BY someone who was on this forum. They know where to find me. I was told my neighbours would kill me or my husband should. My husband knows my views are different to his but he also knows my connection with Allah is mine, not his.
there are many like the man you saw, they collect numbers because they think they are collecting points, its all point based in sunni Islam, each Alhamdulillah is a point each inshaAllah is a point, each person you help towards Islam is a point. Oddly enough just being kind to ANYONE carries no points at all because you might be helping a non muslim. Killing a kafir is a point, killing a jew would carry lots of points I imagine, and praying each raka carries a point, they must have score cards somewhere ;D
All you can do is be who you are Alen and try as best as you can to put across what you have to say and don't allow them to intimidate you BUT if it is getting a safetly problem in Speakers Corner then don't go, do your dawah in other ways as you have been doing but in the back of your mind always keep that the hater of today may be next to you in prayer tomorrow and only Allah knows who is a Muslim or not, we have no idea and will not till we get there. peace
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Ayisha
So why don't you dare quote him.Dont need to, its all still there and just showing how quickly and easily that hadith has changed in few days when the evidence of what he did say is still there in front of you. peace
Ah and before I post this you have quoted alen, so lets see
Alen I just say"Oh, well, don't worry, sunnis are not muslims",
Raj I know reality bites, but Alen or any one who calls other Muslim a Kaffir is an extremist.
See the different WORDS Raj? Now as far as I'm aware Kafir means 'non believer' and as far as I'm aware jews and christians are believers but non muslims, sunni and shia are believers but not all these would be called 'muslims', you have changed the 'meaning' by changing the 'words' Alen used. I was just showing how quickly a hadith of one person can soon be changed by another even when the very words he said are still on these pages and the whole 'meaning' of what he said has changed.
I am not saying Alen is right, and he knows that, but Alen called no one Kafir.
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I agree with Rajaah, Alen is very extreme in his words
Sunnis and Shias may not be follow the core of Islam, the Quran attentively, and instead favour innovations of traditions. But they're still partly muslims, just not completely on the straight path, just as a Quranist may not understand salat, so he is not perfect. We all have our faults.
How can you be partly muslim ??? either you are or you are'nt
One of the meanings of the word muslims is one peacefully submits himself to GODS will, which is something you can only do completely and not partly.
Knowingly dividing youselfs into sects (Sunni, Shias, Sufi's e.t.c), follwing hadiths outside the Quran (which allow stoning to death for apostacy, adultery but only for the woman, forced converstions, peadophila and all other kinds of extremist crap), all after GOD has specifically told us in the Quran not to do these things, is doing you own wish and not the will of GOD and therefore how can they muslims when they knowingly go against GODS instructions in the Quran???
You don't need to be perfect to follow the Quran ALONE.
It's only GOD who is perfect.