Why I left so called "islam"....

unknownuser

Hello everyone my name is Amanda and i am am American girl who has always searched for God. I went to church alot as a child and lvoed it since it took me away from fighting at home and everyone there was kind and hugged me and seemed to really care and listen.

After my parents divorce at age ten I was very mixed up emotionally i neded God but my mom worked 2 jobs and could not take me to church anymore. after 2 years I lived with my dad who never really went to church except on Christmas and Easter I think becasue of my Grandma. so I begged to go to church so my aunt took me then after a year or so I got older and started questioning things and found no answers at my church so i stopped going to my home church and searched for the true church.

I explored almost every denomination and never felt satisfied. untill I found a non denominational church. I stayed untill 17 there at that church when i decided I wanted to be a minister. I started studying the bible hard and decided to give up tv secular music and anything against God. I was very active and carried my bible with me in my car always. I then was out of high school and got a summer job before college where i met a black guy who one day whore a hat that said allah in arabic on the front as soon as i saw it i felt i knew it so i asked him what it meant he said it said God in arabic.

i looked surprised and exclaimed your not arabic then he explained he was msulim he converted four years prior i was interested in his story only to figure out why he left christianity and how he could abandon Jesus our "savior" i quoted bible from my car and argued he never got angry like other christians did when we discussed so he intrigued me and gave me brochures i was trying toread them to find a way to disprove it and bring him back to Christ.

In my reading i discovered the truth i just knew it from my soul that it was true thus began my journey for truth. I had to find what this islam was ans how it turned people from Christ. was this the anti christ the bible referred to thats what my chrusch said. so i tried to call him and go to his meeting to not learn but to show them they are wrong. i argued with an imam and he never got angry but i neevr talked to that guy again. later.....

months later i met a guy... me and my friend met him and his cousin and they told us they were of hispanic descent since they were tan so we assumed they were christian untill one day we were out to eat and they reufsed to eat our pork? we wondered why then we found out they were not hispanic but arabs and muslims i never even met and arab or a muslim besides that guy ron who was waymore "religous" than these 2

i was curious i asked questions and got no answers they were not trying to show me there religion actually told me that i was chrisitan and i should stay christian and not to try to be muslim or arab like them and be myself.

this lingered in my mind why they had not tried to turn me to there side was i not good enough to be like them. ???

so i began to study about islam out of curiousity...

that year i accepted islam but never knew alot of "real muslims"

i fought with my family about arabs and islam and eventually was told to leave the home

i lived in my car and in hotels untill i found a helper at a shia mosque
i began to get my life togher and got an apartment with the mosque help but with the condition i had to wear jilbob and hijob so i did i didnt want to live in the streets again
i went to the mosque everyday almost and began to see myself as prey for old muslim guys and even was asked by the sheikh to meet a 40 year old man to possibley marry so i didmeet him just to please the imam but said no to the marriage

i did not like him i was 19 he was 40 no attraction at all

i felt the shias so sexual it was all about temporay marriage and hierarchy and money and how i could help their muslims get green cards i felt so used

also i hated the culture and the lowered status of women in the house only and the "clicks" and the beating urself up in ashura i did not understand it
and did not cry when the others cried for imam hussein i didnot feel a thing and people stared at me liek i was a traitor i didnot fit in i did not like it
i felt ripped off this was not the islam read about

so i left islam and eventually became a christian again

i was a christian again for almost 2 years

then i married a palestinian man i loved so much he was soo kind

he was not religious so he was not like "them" i thought
i thought i could change himinto christian and itired and even got an arabic bible

his family found out and we almost divorced

i was devastated so i agreed to stop the campaign

then i discovered sunni islam

actually selafis and they were so mean and strict and actually tried to convince me to divorce my husband since he was not praying
i almost did.....
but thank God showed me they were wrong

i left them and tried the "regular" sunnis they were less strict and mean but very judgemental calling shias non believers and selafis extremists i felt no unity in isalm and became confused i read islam ws universal and i feklt no universality amongst muslims themselves and the islamic politics i studied and began to hate the islamic sharia and felt it was wrong i lost alot of friends liek this
i was now alienated from theislamic community forspeakingmy mind and i was so isolated i felt so alone
i began to goonlineto islamic chat and was evenmore confused i began to hate arabs and muslims for there way which i thoughtwas islamic but later found out was really culture inspired by hadeeth. i began to hate the prophet fromthe hadeeth and began to question my faith again

i thought what a sick man muhamamd from what i read about him why should he be from god i thought after reading alot of hadeeth
then i was disgusted by the rituals that ruled our lives as a hdeeth following muslims i was confused and full of anxiety

did i use my right foot? did i say that right? jinns are in the bathroom looking at me in a sick way i was paranoid and stressed i could not keep up with the rituals i thought how can God want us to live like this full of meaningless rituals and hatred

several different mosques i attented and found many people trying to convicne me suicide bombing was halal and american was evil and conspired toget the arabs they tried to convince me jews were evil etc

i began to hate everyone

deep inside i felt this is not the way i God i jsut did not feel right in my soul

so again i became an apostate...

and tried to go back to christianity but iknew toomuch now and could not beleive in trinity anymore

so i became a unitarian christian who beleive in God alone but not trinity but held to jesus was saviour

then God began to show me through my life the right way

slowly i came back to islam but decided to stay away from muslims

i just thought about the hadeeth that even if this is true i will have to rely on Gods mercy that i can not follow it

then i some how came across quran alone teachings subhan allah

i read and read and i know now this is true this what i have always beleived

i thank God for finally showing me the truth i have been searching for since i was 10 years old ~ 15 years finally foubnd the truth~

my eyes fill with tears of joy

but i now have to again start islam all over again i still find myself doing or saying meaningless ritualsitic things and it is hard to break thiose habits

slowly i am and i am starting to finally feel free

i never knew how great it feels to be trutly guided

it is amazing so many billions of muslsim and many converts on the wrong path
woow
how did i ever deserve the truth when so many others are astray
God must have saw somehting in me i neevr saw inmyself

i feel very lucky that i found the truth and am here to tell yuo about it

even when i debate other msulims they seem to talk in circles and am not fooled by there lies

i now understand alot moe
i have now become to really open my eyes to things that were right in front of me before but i never really saw

its like i was blind and now i can see the truth for the first time ever

reminds me of my christian days

amazing grace how sweet the sound i was once lost but now i am found
was once blind but now i see

thank you God for lifting the veil for me and showing me the way

i thank you fromt he bottom of my heart and the depth of my being

ilove you God
plese show everyone else the truth inshallah

Thank you for your time and reading my story

"Allah guides whom he chooses"
Thank you for choosing me...
Quran alone is the only way...
The truth shall set you free

Humbly yours,
Amanda

dhanti

Salam Amanda and my all brothers and sisters,

I proud of you, sis..........

Let's together to keep the faith in GOD Alone, Quran Alone!

I want to share the TRUE STORY to you all...especially to ANSHAR who always claimed us "the baby boomer 2004", "RK followers", "Free-minders", etc...whatever he label us.

It was aroung 1982, in the far east asia, in Indonesia, in the small city "Bogor", there was Mr. Endi Suradi who came to the conclusion or submission to the GOD Alone, Quran Alone.

He was an ustadz (scholar), due to his profession he has to study Quran a lot. Day by day, year by year... until he found that Quran is the only guidance of live from Allah SWT.....Quran is enough!

He is an ordinary people, who until he passed away (view months ago) he never known who is RK, he never known free-minds.org, he never known Bukhari was born/collected hadist 200 years after Nabi Muhammad pbuh passed away. he can not speak English but can speak arabic, he never known how to access the internet!

Subhanallah, some of his views based on Al-Quran is the same with the Quran Alone international community, as the matter of fact he never have a link with other people outside. Eventhough there are some difference views.....study and time will be answer. Allah is Knower...

He share The Message to his family and neighboorhood...

Anshar....you can see that everybody in everywhere in the world is possible to become Quran Alone without influence from other people, the key is reading Quran and ask Allah Alone to guide us in the right path.......don't be afraid to get in the wrong way...because Allah give us A BOOK and Brain/Intellegence to differrence what's the wrong, what's the right, the best example is contained in the Quran Alone.....the authentic BOOK!.

Dhanti

marie

Peace Dhanthi, all

Anshar....you can see that everybody in everywhere in the world is possible to become Quran Alone without influence from other people, the key is reading Quran and ask Allah Alone to guide us in the right path.......don't be afraid to get in the wrong way...because Allah give us A BOOK and Brain/Intellegence to differrence what's the wrong, what's the right, the best example is contained in the Quran Alone.....the authentic BOOK!.

Dhanti

You summarized the situation well )

May Allah guides us to the straight path

Marie

Ansar

sala
dont judge the doctrines on the people
there are many "muslims" sunnis shia quran only muslims etc that are not acting and speaking in a 100% islamic way

Hehe, ofcourse...they pray like the khalifites. They deny the statements of the prophet.. They reject the prophet.. They dont accept hadith.. They dont accept the sunnah..

This quote of yours is really funny there are many "muslims" sunnis shia quran only muslims etc that are not acting and speaking in a 100% islamic way

May i laugh?

The truth is dear sis Your sect and your beliefs never appeared in history.

Ansar

Dhanti

Where can i read more about 'Mr. Endi Suradi'? Where do you got this store from? Everybody can scream 'i'm quran-only' and everybody can be misguided. Just like ex-muslims who dont believe in Allah and think they know the truth. Or 'messenger' Khalifa who said he got a wahi from Gabriel etc. Was rashad khalifa guided too? He was also 'quran only'.

And tell me...what is your proof that EVERYTHING in the quran is authentic ? Please come with rational arguments.

One way or another...you wont be able to proof that. You'll say "its from Allah". This means you have a double standard.

because Allah give us A BOOK and Brain/Intellegence to differrence what's the wrong, what's the right, the best example is contained in the Quran Alone.....the authentic BOOK!.

Allah also gave the muslims brains and intelligence, who lived for 1400 years. But hey, they where all misguided until the last century when the 'true' message of the quran appeared. These arguments are weak. Dont use them again.

Tony

Sunnis are idol worshippers.

And the Jews say Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah son of Marium and they were enjoined that they should serve one Allah only, there is no god but He; far from His glory be what they set up (with Him).

Like the Jews and Christians, you have taken your scholars as lords besides Allah. YOu are nothing different from them. 930-31 is a perfect example of how taking partners besides Allah takes place. Believing what the bearded scholars say and considering them as absolute truth.

Idol worship is more than just bowing before a statue.

zenje

Idol worship is more than just bowing before a statue.

But they have one of those too! wink

khalil

We muslim have been guided in matters of belief for 1400 years. We ask Allah to help us in following the commands of Allah.

But you and your beliefs never existed in history. You're still developing your theories about islam. Odd, isnt it? And then you ask for guidance? Do ask for guidance from Allah and be open-minded.

The Quran states only God can guide so the scholars therfore cannot unless God wills. Tony's quote of 931 is a good example of how God does not wnat us to follow the 'immaculate' scholars.

The beliefs have existed longer than the hadith since they did not merge long after the Quran making all muslims before the hadith 'rejectors of the prophet' because they followed the Quran alone. Correct ? roll

Critiscism of the hadiths are not something new either, its just the victors are the writers of history so its not readily heard of.

Criticism of the hadith, even the rejection of the hadith theory advocated by Imam Shafi`i, is not something new. Criticism of it existed from the earliest times.

Hadith a Re-Evaluation by Kassim Ahmad
http//free-minds.org/books/kassim8.htm

pz

Tony

Idol worship is more than just bowing before a statue.

But they have one of those too! wink

No they don't. All they have is a rock. A kissing rock. lol

Ansar

Hadith a Re-Evaluation by Kassim Ahmad
http//free-minds.org/books/kassim8.htm

pz

Dear brother,

We are not talking about criticism of the hadith. It even existed during the time of caliph Abu bakr. There is nothing new about that.

The point is your BELIEFS. The fundamentals of your group never existed. Its an entire new group that NEVER appeared. The fact that the people on this site are still developing their strange opinions about islam shows that it never existed.

zenje

There it goes again.

khalil

Hadith a Re-Evaluation by Kassim Ahmad
http//free-minds.org/books/kassim8.htm

pz

Dear brother,

We are not talking about criticism of the hadith. It even existed during the time of caliph Abu bakr. There is nothing new about that.

The point is your BELIEFS. The fundamentals of your group never existed. Its an entire new group that NEVER appeared.

I dont understand, the beliefs are soley based on the Quran. Obviously this belief had to have existed before the hadiths because the hadiths didn't exist until quite sometime after the Quran, which would make the beliefs of those who follow the Quran older than the beliefs of those who follow the QUran and Hadith? Correct ?

I do not think there are any solid fundemntals of the group of people on this boards besides a belief in one god, thats existed longer than the Quran.

Just a question, how would you classify 'their' fundemantel beliefs ?

The fact that the people on this site are still developing their strange opinions about islam shows that it never existed.

I can only be held accountable for my self and not everyone else so i can't say wether or not others are still developing thier opinions on Islam or not.

As of hte present, I have concluded that Islam means 'submission'. That wasn't to hard, I am now trying to understand to the best of my ability what exactly it is that the Quran states on its own. The Quran states that God reveals it bit by bit and not all at once, perhaps this is why peopple hear on the site are still developing thier opinions.

You should try it, read the Quran free from others biases and you should be amazed at what it really states and the simplicity of the message and how hard it is for us to do such a simple thing, that is , serve God alone (imo). It's the same with the canonized bibles, if you read the four gospels fre from others biases you'd have to be blind not to wonder how Christianity is what it is today.

Just think everything over, God gave you a brain for a reason.

pz

unknownuser

peace

These are God's revelations that We recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?" 456

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6114

"You will find that the Sunna of Allah is the only Sunna" (3362....3543.....4823)

The only duty of the messenger is to deliver God's message" 599 (also in 592.... 1635.......1682.....2454.......2918.....4248.......6412)

"It (the Quran) is a revelation from the Lord of the universe. Had he (Muhammad) uttered any other teachings, We would have grabbed him by the right, and We would have severed his Wateen (Major artery of the heart), none of you could have helped him." 6943-47

"Do not write down anything of me except the Quran. Whoever writes other than that should delete it" (Ahmed, Vol. 1, page 171.....also Sahih Muslim)

For the first 150 years to 200 years after the death of the prophet the writing of his hadith was forbidden, in accordance with his commands. The first one to document a comprehensive collection of hadith was Al-Bukhari (Note that Al-Bukhari was born in the year 198 After Hijrah..........does that make you think????)

Even if we were to follow the hadith, how accurate can a collection of sayings documented two centuries after the death of the prophet be?????

God commands the prophet in the Quran to say that he is infallible in the revelation he delivers, but that he may commit errors in his personal words and hadith

"SayIf I err , I err because of my shortcomings, and if I am rightly guided it is due to the revelation I receive from my Lord" 3450

In spite of that confirmation and also 6 incidents in the Quran when the prophet is reprimanded by God, for errors he committed, the worshippers of Muhammad claim that he was infallible!!!! These 6 incidents are found in (867-68......943.......9113-114........ 3337..........661.........801-11 )

The Quran confirms that for every prophet there will be enemies of the devils of humans and jinns who will fabricate fancy sayings and attribute them to the prophet to deceive the people

"We have permitted the enemies of every prophet, human and jinn devils, to inspire in each other fancy sayings, in order to deceive" 6112

God also asserts that only the disbelievers will listen to such fabrications (see 6113)

The Quran is not in need of an annex since it is complete

"The word of your Lord is complete in truth and justice" 6115

The Quran is not in need of an explanatory supplement since it is clear and is not ambiguous

"A.L.R. These are the signs of the clear book" 121

"We have made it (the Quran) easy to understand and in your own tongue (language) may you take heed." 4458

The Quran is not in need of a correction manual since it is perfect and harbours no contradictions

"A.L.R. This is a book whose verses have been perfected" 111

The Quran is not in need of a step by step guide since it is fully detailed

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6114
As God promised in the Quran, His Hadith (Quran) will be always , the BEST HADITH (3923), the MOST ACCURATE HADITH (487), and the " NOT FABRICATED HADITH" (12111).

The (Last) Farewell Sermon
{(1) The Opening Statement of the Sermon It has the CORRECT SHAHADA, i.e. La Elaha Ella Allah.}

All Praise is due to Allah, so we praise Him, and seek His pardon and we turn to Him. We seek refuge with Allah from the evils of ourselves and from the evil consequences of our deeds. Whom Allah guides aright there is none to lead him astray.

I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH (La Elaha Ella Allah), the One, having no partner with Him. His is the sovereignty and to Him is due all praise. He grants life and causes death and is powerful over everything. THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH ( La Elaha Ella Allah), the One; He fulfilled His promise and granted victory to His bondsman, and He ALONE routed the confederates (of the enemies of Islam).

{Compare this Shahada with the Shahada of God, the angels and those who posses knowledge as stated in the Quran in 31. ALSO REMEMBER THAT THE SHAHADA of the Hypocrites in mentioned in 631, where the hypocrites insist on changing God's First Commandment (Shahada) and add Muhammed's name to La Elaha Ella Allah. Muhammed will complain to God from them on the day of Judgment for deserting the Quran where the true correct Shahada is mentioned in 318,

Verily I have left amongst you that which will never lead you astray, the BOOK OF ALLAH, which if you hold fast you shall never go astray. And beware of transgressing the limits set in the matters of religion, for it is transgression of religion, that brought destruction to (many people) before you.

Shiites changed this version of the Sermon to read, the book of Allah and my family, while the Sunnites changed it to read, the Book of Allah and my Sunnah. Only the version that talks about QURAN ALONE is the only one that does not contradict the QURAN and does not have any political motive behind it. It is the version ignored by the sects of the Sunnites and Shiites because it does not support their political agenda.}

{Here are the references to the three versions of the Sermon

I leave with you Quran and Sunnah Muwatta, 46/3
I leave with you Quran and Ahl al-bayt ,Muslim 44/4, Nu2408; ibn hanbal

4/366; darimi 23/1, nu 3319.

I leave for you the Quran alone you shall uphold it.

Muslim 15/19, nu 1218; ibn Majah 25/84, Abu dawud 11/56. }

Those who are seeking to obey the Prophet Muhammed and follow his steps have it easy because they got the book that God promised to preserve, the BEST HADITH (Quran). Obeying the prophet Muhammed is to follow his message, the Quran and Quran alone. When the prophet Muhammed died he left behind ONLY one book completely written and preserved, i.e. the Quran. He never left any Hadith books. These books are the innovations added to Islam about 150-200 years after the death of the prophet

Say, 'We believe in God, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters.'"

if sunnis and shias are on the right path do they really accept all messengers with no distinctions amongst them or do they say peace be upon muhammad in there prayers? was that really sent down to abraham issac jacob moses and jesus when muhamamd neevr existed in those times? do they really think abraham issac jacob moses and jesus said peace be upon muhamamd in there prayers?

i wonder

unknownuser

Humbly yours,
Amanda
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Ask yourself the question. These beliefs of the submitters movement, when did they appeared in history?

Just be a muslim...follow the mainstream muslims. I hope you know that islam forbids new sects.

Ansar,

Are you still here propogating lies? Its your satan doing the talking is it not. Lets face it Allah forbid sects in His Qur'an, people here denounce sects and call themselves muslims, its you who are labelling us and its you who create pseudo sects. Furtthermore, its you who calls himself sunni or whatever. By your own admission you are the sectarian, yet you are shameless enough to ascribe it to others.

So away with the lies! You fool no one pal!

unknownuser

Hadith a Re-Evaluation by Kassim Ahmad
http//free-minds.org/books/kassim8.htm

pz

The fact that the people on this site are still developing their strange opinions about islam shows that it never existed.

And how would you prove that claim of yours pal? By referring to the chinese whispers i.e. hadith? But if you had any sense, and stopped paying lip service to the Qur'an you would not be suffering these mental delusions.

unknownuser

If you have read my other posts i also said that you'll notice that 50/100 years ago, your group and your beliefs didnt exist.

But my statement is still correct, ALL of your beliefs never existed even during the time of rashad khalifa. They just appeared now.

There is no conclusive evidence there was no one who did not follow Qur'an alone. Infact, the very proof is in the Qur'an that Prophet Mohammad followed GODs commands alone and not his own injunctions...

unknownuser

Tell me how do you do that, since the quran is 'fully detailed'?

Does anyone else feel sick with the hypocrisy? shock What he means is he deos not believe the Qur'an is complete, hence what he is saying is he disbelieves in GOD revelation, he rejects. Is it possible to come to any other conclusion?

Zoroastrians did not pray like the muslims. Besides that, there are many similarities between Islam and zoroastrianism. Even without the hadith. The same counts when you compare islam with Judaism and Christianity.

A hypocrite would expose himself in his next breath, they did not pray like muslims conclusively, and note he is a sunni and he tells the "truth" and in the next breath there are similarities with zoroastrianism.

Hence what he is saying is that he can not prove that zoros did not pray like muslims but he just confirmed the similarities. And remarkably he sites Christianity and Judaism, forgetting the fact that many concepts have been corrupted by Christians and Jews in Islam...Similarities he seems to advocate seem to represent the truth whereas he never considered it as a proof of dilution of original islam....

Tony

Hadith a Re-Evaluation by Kassim Ahmad
http//free-minds.org/books/kassim8.htm

pz

Dear brother,

We are not talking about criticism of the hadith. It even existed during the time of caliph Abu bakr. There is nothing new about that.

The point is your BELIEFS. The fundamentals of your group never existed. Its an entire new group that NEVER appeared. The fact that the people on this site are still developing their strange opinions about islam shows that it never existed.

The fundamentals of Quran never existed? Thats what is being discussing here!

If there is something strange in religion, they are the hadiths and sunnah of Bukhary and company. Utterly strange/ weird.

bluerose

excuse my ignorance, but i fail to see the significance of bukhari's iranian heritage.

blue

unknownuser

salam

the heritage of bukhari menas alot becasue if u look at the religion of iranians before islam and see the similarities that are in existence in todays hadeth from him it almost mirrors zoroastrians religion which was irans religion before islam so i dont see how something from god would be copied from zoroastrians which were fire worshippers makes uthink was his ahdeeth infulenced from his beleif that he was raised with or perhaps his former beleif or contires beelifs infleunced him as to which hadeths to accept or reject