[Salaat] Are you aware ?

Badr

Good and thanks.

As usual you never answer any questions asked. But you are now try to find err in the posts. What about the questions I asked you? From page two of this thread? You never answer and now trying hide under other's mistakes.

And no wonder if we make mistakes

482
482 Do they not reflect on the Quraan? If it was from any other than Allah they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

Hey, bring your ear near to me, I wanna whisper something... "I am still under research of the word TAWAAF". That is the reason I used "I think" and "As per my understanding"

Got it? Happy now? Good.

May Allah help us accepting the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

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Wakas

Badr, are you familiar with "logical fallacies"?

Your post demonstrates not only the bias in your reasoning, but also you have no idea what PRL or Corpus is or how to use them.

Example

I can clearly see dishonesty when they state tawaf has to deal with "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness,"

The PRL entry does not even say that about "tawaf", it says that about the root.

You then say "It clearly has nothing to do with tawaf"

It never said it did.

In other words, you make a non-point and think you have made a point.

Thus, I recommend reading up on "logical fallacies", and also "critical thinking".

Badr

Badr, are you familiar with "logical fallacies"?

Your post demonstrates not only the bias in your reasoning, but also you have no idea what PRL or Corpus is or how to use them.

Example
The PRL entry does not even say that about "tawaf", it says that about the root.

You then say "It clearly has nothing to do with tawaf"

It never said it did.

In other words, you make a non-point and think you have made a point.

Thus, I recommend reading up on "logical fallacies", and also "critical thinking".

I'll break it to you so maybe you understand better neither ta-wa-fa (the root) nor tawaf has to do with ; I quote "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," of the PRL entry and the fact that "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," is there amongst the entries is already dishonesty. Now try to prove your point outside the PRL site.

Got it ?

EDIT It is there only to help you proving that the the word yatuf from ta-wa-fa also (5224 and 7619) is more about the act of serving that of circling

Ayisha

I'll break it to you so maybe you understand better neither ta-wa-fa (the root) nor tawaf has to do with ; I quote "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," of the PRL entry and the fact that "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," is there amongst the entries is already dishonesty. Now try to prove your point outside the PRL site.

Got it ?

EDIT It is there only to help you proving that the the word yatuf from ta-wa-fa also (5224 and 7619) is more about the act of serving that of circling

so it is to do with the act of circling, ok I get that. What about 7.201 and 68.19, can you explain those please and the relevance to circling.

Badr

so it is to do with the act of circling, ok I get that. What about 7.201 and 68.19, can you explain those please and the relevance to circling.

ta'if visitor in both cases, in 6819 a visitor that circles around them. in 7201 touched by a visitor from the devil.

mmkhan

2229

Thank you for this Aayat.

Alhamdulillah, I am aware of it and also 2125, 2158, 2226 by Allah's grace.

Thanks again,
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

Ayisha

ta'if visitor in both cases, in 6819 a visitor that circles around them. in 7201 touched by a visitor from the devil.

So this would be like someone visiting (good or bad) or like something of a thought that goes round in my head or or the guy on the train or plane that goes round with coffee or the kids in the playground singing ring a ring a rosey?

Badr

Thank you for this Aayat.

Alhamdulillah, I am aware of it and also 2125, 2158, 2226 by Allah's grace.

Thanks again,
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

You mean

"Purify My House for those who circle around, stay in it and bow down and prostrate"

"there is no blame on him if he goes round them both"

"purify My House for those who circle around stand and those who bow and prostrate"

Badr

So this would be like someone visiting (good or bad) or like something of a thought that goes round in my head or or the guy on the train or plane that goes round with coffee or the kids in the playground singing ring a ring a rosey?

If you want. or the musical chairs.

Ayisha

If you want. or the musical chairs.

I was never quick enough for that '(

Ok, so we are saying it can mean going round something, just going 'round', a thought going round the head, a visitor coming 'round', what about making making someone 'all round' happy or satisfied?

mmkhan

You mean

"Purify My House for those who circle around, stay in it and bow down and prostrate"

"there is no blame on him if he goes round them both"

"purify My House for those who circle around stand and those who bow and prostrate"

What I mean is already given in Reply # 44

May Allah guide us all towards the correct path.
Mohammed M. Khan

Wakas

I'll break it to you so maybe you understand better neither ta-wa-fa (the root) nor tawaf has to do with ; I quote "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," of the PRL entry and the fact that "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," is there amongst the entries is already dishonesty.

PRL references Lane's Lexicon, see middle column for reference
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume5/00000178.pdf

Badr

PRL references Lane's Lexicon, see middle column for reference
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume5/00000178.pdf

you are right about tawafun; a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness. I didnt knew it.

thanx for the info, nevertheless 80% of definitions referr to circling.

Wakas

Did you pluck 80% out of thin air? I prefer evidence-based discussion.

PRL is primarily based on Lane's Lexicon, and the % of circling meanings is more like 25%, I dont know about other Classical Arabic dictionaries.

Badr

Did you pluck 80% out of thin air? I prefer evidence-based discussion.

PRL is primarily based on Lane's Lexicon, and the % of circling meanings is more like 25%, I dont know about other Classical Arabic dictionaries.

You should.

Mazhar

Quote from Wakas on Yesterday at 020516 PM
PRL references Lane's Lexicon, see middle column for reference
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume5/00000178.pdf

you are right about tawafun; a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness. I didnt knew it.

thanx for the info, nevertheless 80% of definitions referr to circling.

Did you pluck 80% out of thin air? I prefer evidence-based discussion.

PRL is primarily based on Lane's Lexicon, and the % of circling meanings is more like 25%, I dont know about other Classical Arabic dictionaries.

Please first determine why his word means a "servant that serves with gentleness and carefullness". The word is an active participle which is derived from the verb. Because of the act signified by the verb, this derived and relational meanings are assigned to the active participle.

mmkhan

You should.

Really? How about this?

5223
5224
5223 They will enjoy drinks in which there is no harm, nor regret.
5224 And around them will be children like protected pearls.

5617
5617 Moving among them will be immortal children.

7619
7619 And they are encircled with eternal children. If you see them you will think they are pearls which have been scattered about.

Children will be CIRCLING around them???

5543
5544
5543 This is Hell that the criminals used to deny.
5544 They will move between it and a boiling liquid.

They will be CIRCLING around Hell???

May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

Badr

Really? How about this?

5223
5224
5223 They will enjoy drinks in which there is no harm, nor regret.
5224 And around them will be children like protected pearls.

5617
5617 Moving among them will be immortal children.

7619
7619 And they are encircled with eternal children. If you see them you will think they are pearls which have been scattered about.

Children will be CIRCLING around them???

5543
5544
5543 This is Hell that the criminals used to deny.
5544 They will move between it and a boiling liquid.

They will be CIRCLING around Hell???

May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

yatuf ala circle around

yatuf bayn x and y move between x and y (but the circling insuation is still there anyway)

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mmkhan

yatuf ala circle around

yatuf bayn x and y move between x and y (but the circling insuation is still there anyway)

l o o l
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So, what I said in reply#44 is true, by Allah's grace. !

May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

Mazhar

Basic perception infolded in the Root is frequent moving over an area-place. is a place for moving about. is a night watchman, who keeps moving in a locality to guard. In the light of the relationships inherent and perceived from this Root the word denotes a fraternity-homogenous group/circle of people who share common values.

The word "circling", on the contrary, denotes moving following a curving route which is not inherent in the said Root.