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[Salaat] Are you aware ?

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    Badr
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    #59

    Thank you for this Aayat.

    Alhamdulillah, I am aware of it and also 2125, 2158, 2226 by Allah's grace.

    Thanks again,
    May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
    Mohammed M. Khan

    You mean

    "Purify My House for those who circle around, stay in it and bow down and prostrate"

    "there is no blame on him if he goes round them both"

    "purify My House for those who circle around stand and those who bow and prostrate"

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      Badr
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      So this would be like someone visiting (good or bad) or like something of a thought that goes round in my head or or the guy on the train or plane that goes round with coffee or the kids in the playground singing ring a ring a rosey?

      If you want. or the musical chairs.

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        Ayisha
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        If you want. or the musical chairs.

        I was never quick enough for that '(

        Ok, so we are saying it can mean going round something, just going 'round', a thought going round the head, a visitor coming 'round', what about making making someone 'all round' happy or satisfied?

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          mmkhan
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          You mean

          "Purify My House for those who circle around, stay in it and bow down and prostrate"

          "there is no blame on him if he goes round them both"

          "purify My House for those who circle around stand and those who bow and prostrate"

          What I mean is already given in Reply # 44

          May Allah guide us all towards the correct path.
          Mohammed M. Khan

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            Wakas
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            I'll break it to you so maybe you understand better neither ta-wa-fa (the root) nor tawaf has to do with ; I quote "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," of the PRL entry and the fact that "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," is there amongst the entries is already dishonesty.

            PRL references Lane's Lexicon, see middle column for reference
            http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume5/00000178.pdf

            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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              Badr
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              PRL references Lane's Lexicon, see middle column for reference
              http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume5/00000178.pdf

              you are right about tawafun; a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness. I didnt knew it.

              thanx for the info, nevertheless 80% of definitions referr to circling.

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                Wakas
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                Did you pluck 80% out of thin air? I prefer evidence-based discussion.

                PRL is primarily based on Lane's Lexicon, and the % of circling meanings is more like 25%, I dont know about other Classical Arabic dictionaries.

                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                  Badr
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                  Did you pluck 80% out of thin air? I prefer evidence-based discussion.

                  PRL is primarily based on Lane's Lexicon, and the % of circling meanings is more like 25%, I dont know about other Classical Arabic dictionaries.

                  You should.

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                    Mazhar
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                    Quote from Wakas on Yesterday at 020516 PM
                    PRL references Lane's Lexicon, see middle column for reference
                    http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume5/00000178.pdf

                    you are right about tawafun; a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness. I didnt knew it.

                    thanx for the info, nevertheless 80% of definitions referr to circling.

                    Did you pluck 80% out of thin air? I prefer evidence-based discussion.

                    PRL is primarily based on Lane's Lexicon, and the % of circling meanings is more like 25%, I dont know about other Classical Arabic dictionaries.

                    Please first determine why his word means a "servant that serves with gentleness and carefullness". The word is an active participle which is derived from the verb. Because of the act signified by the verb, this derived and relational meanings are assigned to the active participle.

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                      mmkhan
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                      You should.

                      Really? How about this?

                      5223
                      5224
                      5223 They will enjoy drinks in which there is no harm, nor regret.
                      5224 And around them will be children like protected pearls.

                      5617
                      5617 Moving among them will be immortal children.

                      7619
                      7619 And they are encircled with eternal children. If you see them you will think they are pearls which have been scattered about.

                      Children will be CIRCLING around them???

                      5543
                      5544
                      5543 This is Hell that the criminals used to deny.
                      5544 They will move between it and a boiling liquid.

                      They will be CIRCLING around Hell???

                      May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
                      Mohammed M. Khan

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                        Badr
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                        Really? How about this?

                        5223
                        5224
                        5223 They will enjoy drinks in which there is no harm, nor regret.
                        5224 And around them will be children like protected pearls.

                        5617
                        5617 Moving among them will be immortal children.

                        7619
                        7619 And they are encircled with eternal children. If you see them you will think they are pearls which have been scattered about.

                        Children will be CIRCLING around them???

                        5543
                        5544
                        5543 This is Hell that the criminals used to deny.
                        5544 They will move between it and a boiling liquid.

                        They will be CIRCLING around Hell???

                        May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
                        Mohammed M. Khan

                        yatuf ala circle around

                        yatuf bayn x and y move between x and y (but the circling insuation is still there anyway)


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                          mmkhan
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                          yatuf ala circle around

                          yatuf bayn x and y move between x and y (but the circling insuation is still there anyway)


                          l o o l
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                          So, what I said in reply#44 is true, by Allah's grace. !

                          May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
                          Mohammed M. Khan

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                            Mazhar
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                            Basic perception infolded in the Root is frequent moving over an area-place. is a place for moving about. is a night watchman, who keeps moving in a locality to guard. In the light of the relationships inherent and perceived from this Root the word denotes a fraternity-homogenous group/circle of people who share common values.

                            The word "circling", on the contrary, denotes moving following a curving route which is not inherent in the said Root.

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