[Salaat] Are you aware ?
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http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15437.msg148350#msg148350Salaaman Wakas,
I was saying something else to Badr.. as
Path = walking, non-stop
It means we cannot stand in a place circling and saying that we are on path, that means tawaaf.
Anyway, thanks for the link, it is helpful indeed.
May Allah guide us all towards the truth.
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaaman Wakas,
peace mmkhan,
My post was just additional information, to Mazhar's post.
Speaking of tawaf, you may already know that it is disproven by The Quran itself. The only way it can fit is by changing the meaning to suit, e.g. 2158.
Oh, its ok...
Hmmm... As per my understanding, tawaaf means, going from a point and coming back to it, like going to job every day, etc. What do you say?
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan -
That's possible. I just take it as "go about/among".
Salaaman Wakas,
OK, that means 'To move' or 'Proceed'? I think there is a separate word for thisAnyways, thanks for your reply.
Salaaman Wakas,
Oh, its ok...Hmmm... As per my understanding, tawaaf means, going from a point and coming back to it, like going to job every day, etc. What do you say?
Very very relevant.
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See any Classical Arabic Dictionary
= Tay-Waw-Fa = act of going/walking, going/walking around or otherwise, to go or wander about, circuited/compassed, journeyed, came to him, come upon, visitation, visit, approach, drew near, to go round or round about often, encompass,
"the men/people/locusts filled the land like the TWF/flood/deluge", overpowering/overwhelming rain/water that covers,
a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness,
a detached/distinct part/portion, a piece or bit, a party/division/sect,
a sort of raisins of which the bunches are composed of closely-compacted berries, a garment in which one goes round or circuits, a place of going round or round about.From http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
Very very relevant.
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See any Classical Arabic Dictionary
= Tay-Waw-Fa = act of going/walking, going/walking around or otherwise, to go or wander about, circuited/compassed, journeyed, came to him, come upon, visitation, visit, approach, drew near, to go round or round about often, encompass,
"the men/people/locusts filled the land like the TWF/flood/deluge", overpowering/overwhelming rain/water that covers,
a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness,
a detached/distinct part/portion, a piece or bit, a party/division/sect,
a sort of raisins of which the bunches are composed of closely-compacted berries, a garment in which one goes round or circuits, a place of going round or round about.From http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
Very very relevant.
1-You take all your arguments from Study Quran and corpus quran wich are two biased sites because made by people like you who wants to prove the same points as you. Look outside them and you'll be surprised.
I can clearly see dishonesty when they state tawaf has to deal with "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," it is there just to close the mouth of those who argument about the servants in Janna who yatufun/circle around the people to serve them. It clearly has nothing to do with tawaf let alone the origin ta-wa-fa.
2-the source of the word can lead to two words totally differents. And it never can be a valuable method to explain arabic words, you/it wont make the weight against any arabic scholar (whether muslim or not).
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Very very relevant.
Good and thanks.
As usual you never answer any questions asked. But you are now try to find err in the posts. What about the questions I asked you? From page two of this thread? You never answer and now trying hide under other's mistakes.
And no wonder if we make mistakes
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482 Do they not reflect on the Quraan? If it was from any other than Allah they would have found in it many a discrepancy.Hey, bring your ear near to me, I wanna whisper something... "I am still under research of the word TAWAAF". That is the reason I used "I think" and "As per my understanding"
Got it? Happy now? Good.
May Allah help us accepting the Truth.
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Good and thanks.
As usual you never answer any questions asked. But you are now try to find err in the posts. What about the questions I asked you? From page two of this thread? You never answer and now trying hide under other's mistakes.
And no wonder if we make mistakes
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482 Do they not reflect on the Quraan? If it was from any other than Allah they would have found in it many a discrepancy.Hey, bring your ear near to me, I wanna whisper something... "I am still under research of the word TAWAAF". That is the reason I used "I think" and "As per my understanding"
Got it? Happy now? Good.
May Allah help us accepting the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan2229
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Badr, are you familiar with "logical fallacies"?
Your post demonstrates not only the bias in your reasoning, but also you have no idea what PRL or Corpus is or how to use them.
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I can clearly see dishonesty when they state tawaf has to deal with "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness,"
The PRL entry does not even say that about "tawaf", it says that about the root.
You then say "It clearly has nothing to do with tawaf"
It never said it did.
In other words, you make a non-point and think you have made a point.
Thus, I recommend reading up on "logical fallacies", and also "critical thinking".
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Badr, are you familiar with "logical fallacies"?
Your post demonstrates not only the bias in your reasoning, but also you have no idea what PRL or Corpus is or how to use them.
Example
The PRL entry does not even say that about "tawaf", it says that about the root.You then say "It clearly has nothing to do with tawaf"
It never said it did.
In other words, you make a non-point and think you have made a point.
Thus, I recommend reading up on "logical fallacies", and also "critical thinking".
I'll break it to you so maybe you understand better neither ta-wa-fa (the root) nor tawaf has to do with ; I quote "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," of the PRL entry and the fact that "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," is there amongst the entries is already dishonesty. Now try to prove your point outside the PRL site.
Got it ?
EDIT It is there only to help you proving that the the word yatuf from ta-wa-fa also (5224 and 7619) is more about the act of serving that of circling
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I'll break it to you so maybe you understand better neither ta-wa-fa (the root) nor tawaf has to do with ; I quote "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," of the PRL entry and the fact that "a servant that serves one with gentleness and carefulness," is there amongst the entries is already dishonesty. Now try to prove your point outside the PRL site.
Got it ?
EDIT It is there only to help you proving that the the word yatuf from ta-wa-fa also (5224 and 7619) is more about the act of serving that of circling
so it is to do with the act of circling, ok I get that. What about 7.201 and 68.19, can you explain those please and the relevance to circling.
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so it is to do with the act of circling, ok I get that. What about 7.201 and 68.19, can you explain those please and the relevance to circling.
ta'if visitor in both cases, in 6819 a visitor that circles around them. in 7201 touched by a visitor from the devil.
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ta'if visitor in both cases, in 6819 a visitor that circles around them. in 7201 touched by a visitor from the devil.
So this would be like someone visiting (good or bad) or like something of a thought that goes round in my head or or the guy on the train or plane that goes round with coffee or the kids in the playground singing ring a ring a rosey?
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Thank you for this Aayat.
Alhamdulillah, I am aware of it and also 2125, 2158, 2226 by Allah's grace.
Thanks again,
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. KhanYou mean
"Purify My House for those who circle around, stay in it and bow down and prostrate"
"there is no blame on him if he goes round them both"
"purify My House for those who circle around stand and those who bow and prostrate"
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So this would be like someone visiting (good or bad) or like something of a thought that goes round in my head or or the guy on the train or plane that goes round with coffee or the kids in the playground singing ring a ring a rosey?
If you want. or the musical chairs.
