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What is your understanding of these messages?

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    mmkhan
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    Salaam Asana,

    Salam mmkhan

    God took the descendant of Adam as witness to His Unity, how many years took you to come to this world? One billion, 2 or 3 or what?

    Please reflect on below verse

    Recall that your Lord summoned all the descendants of Adam, and had them bear witness for themselves "Am I not your Lord?" They all said, "Yes. We bear witness." Thus, you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection, "We were not aware of this."

    Asana

    What are saying???

    7172 was giving us info about what has already happened but 381 talks about something going to happened that to at the time of Prophets.

    Please take a close look before reacting negative. I don't want you to follow me, I am just trying to show you the correct path as I believe we all are brothers and sisters . As per my understanding, our thinking may differ, but Allah is there clear off wrongs form us, inshaAllah.

    Look bro, am I going to lose anything if you don't accept the word of Allah or vice versa? No! We all have to answer for our own deeds. Ask Allah for forgiveness and guidance towards the correct path.

    May Allah guide us all and open our hearts to understand the Truth. pr
    Mohammed M. Khan

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      mmkhan
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      Salaam Bahman,

      Peace.You mean God di not make this covenant with Prophet Mohammed. He was excluded?

      Nope, if you look at 381 again, you may understand that covenant was taken from all Prophets including Prophet Mohammed and messenger will come in the same period of Prophet, then only a Prophet could able to help him and believe in him, isn't it?

      and then how prophet could do authenticating.?
      and how you can do authenticating even today when ORIGINAL WAS BURNT and there is such problem!!!
      Peace

      That is not our responsibility brother, but Allah has already taken care of it. We will be questioned from what we have given. So, no worry... inshaAllah.

      May Allah open our hearts to understand the Truth. pr
      Mohammed M. Khan

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        Bahman
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        Salaam Bahman,
        Nope, if you look at 381 again, you may understand that covenant was taken from all Prophets including Prophet Mohammed and messenger will come in the same period of Prophet, then only a Prophet could able to help him and believe in him, isn't it?

        That is not our responsibility brother, but Allah has already taken care of it. We will be questioned from what we have given. So, no worry... inshaAllah.

        May Allah open our hearts to understand the Truth. pr
        Mohammed M. Khan

        Peace
        So have you ever study and search why Original was burnt?
        or it has not been important for you?
        Peace )

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          Bahman
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          Salaam Bahman,
          Nope, if you look at 381 again, you may understand that covenant was taken from all Prophets including Prophet Mohammed and messenger then (Afterward,Later ) a messengerwill come in the same period of Prophet, then only a Prophet could able to help him and believe in him, isn't it?

          Just insert your own translation

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            Bahman
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            seems this new member is not going with forum rules, this a English Topic. Please delete it

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              Bahman
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              Peace.
              A.L.R. These (letters) are the

              Peace everybody
              Now is 3 weeks and only accusation, Talking to you that know good Arabic, show you abilty and knowledge and guide me an ll and insert the word fits your understanding. PLEASE`just do your translation without any comment or footnote.
              Peace

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                Bahman
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                Rashad

                He is dead. do your translation.
                A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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                  Bahman
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                  Mohammed M. Khan

                  Do your translation please then we talk about 381
                  A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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                    Bahman
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                    I was reading

                    do your translation please.
                    A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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                      loxbox13
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                      seems this new member is not going with forum rules, this a English Topic. Please delete it

                      Yeah, i thaught u do speak arabic, sorry, this explanation very logic and makes perfect sense about moukataates. I will translate it to english, peace

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                        Any body name can be adjusted to have a multiple but who was inspired to reveal secret of Seven pairs. You,,your teachers, scholars, imams, shaikhs me . Of course accept that Hanifi scholar and you or anybody design such table then that is different.
                        Go do your home work and find how Rashad`designed such table which no human can imitate itm by the way do not use band witch for nonsense

                        That table is STUPID and you are (the ignorant) !

                        5 130 315301050 1
                        87 130 315301050 2
                        89 130 315301050 3
                        92 130 315301050 4
                        112 130 315301050 5
                        55 130 315301050 6
                        39 130 315301050 7
                        88 130 315301050 8
                        113 130 315301050 9
                        51 130 315301050 10
                        52 130 315301050 11
                        53 130 315301050 12
                        96 130 315301050 13
                        72 130 315301050 14
                        54 130 315301050 15
                        70 130 315301050 16
                        50 130 315301050 17
                        69 130 315301050 18
                        44 130 315301050 19
                        45 130 315301050 20
                        73 130 315301050 21
                        103 130 315301050 22
                        74 130 315301050 23
                        102 130 315301050 24
                        42 130 315301050 25
                        47 130 315301050 26
                        48 130 315301050 27
                        49 130 315301050 28
                        85 130 315301050 29
                        84 130 315301050 30
                        57 130 315301050 31
                        75 130 315301050 32
                        90 130 315301050 33
                        58 130 315301050 34
                        43 130 315301050 35
                        41 130 315301050 36
                        56 130 315301050 37
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                        59 130 315301050 39
                        60 130 315301050 40
                        61 130 315301050 41
                        62 130 315301050 42
                        63 130 315301050 43
                        64 130 315301050 44
                        65 130 315301050 45
                        66 130 315301050 46
                        95 130 315301050 47
                        111 130 315301050 48
                        106 130 315301050 49
                        34 130 315301050 50
                        67 130 315301050 51
                        76 130 315301050 52
                        23 130 315301050 53
                        37 130 315301050 54
                        97 130 315301050 55
                        46 130 315301050 56
                        94 130 315301050 57
                        105 130 315301050 58
                        101 130 315301050 59
                        91 130 315301050 60
                        109 130 315301050 61
                        110 130 315301050 62
                        104 130 315301050 63
                        108 130 315301050 64
                        99 130 315301050 65
                        107 130 315301050 66
                        77 130 315301050 67
                        2 130 315301050 68
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                        71 130 315301050 71
                        40 130 315301050 72
                        3 130 315301050 73
                        4 130 315301050 74
                        31 130 315301050 75
                        98 130 315301050 76
                        33 130 315301050 77
                        80 130 315301050 78
                        81 130 315301050 79
                        24 130 315301050 80
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                        86 130 315301050 83
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                        27 130 315301050 85
                        36 130 315301050 86
                        8 130 315301050 87
                        68 130 315301050 88
                        10 130 315301050 89
                        35 130 315301050 90
                        26 130 315301050 91
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                        11 130 315301050 93
                        12 130 315301050 94
                        28 130 315301050 95
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                        25 130 315301050 97
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                        93 130 315301050 99
                        14 130 315301050 100
                        30 130 315301050 101
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                        13 130 315301050 103
                        32 130 315301050 104
                        19 130 315301050 105
                        29 130 315301050 106
                        17 130 315301050 107
                        15 130 315301050 108
                        18 130 315301050 109
                        114 130 315301050 110
                        6 130 315301050 111
                        22 130 315301050 112
                        20 130 315301050 113
                        21 130 315301050 114

                        = 19 x ?!

                        Did you apologize remove other table where you mindlessly flipped digits to make your idol gv a multiple?

                        Rashad
                        =505
                        505381=19x26599

                        Not divisible by 7 and let's apply it to...

                        (the ignorant) (Bahman)

                        381 130315301050 254050 = 19 x 20059490279002644950

                        In your discovery word nineteen (and you must help him) has wrong value ?

                        Lastly, no one knows the order of revelation especially the last chapter according to some was ch 110, while others last verse revealed was on Kalala inheritance 4176 while others say it was 53 This day, I have perfected your religion for you...

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                          loxbox13
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                          Even though Rashad Khalifa's translation is correct and the one I use, I'm not using it this time for the sole purpose that nobody here can claim translation bias. So, I used Marmaduke Pickthall.

                          Marmaduke Pickhall Translation

                          Those who disbelieve among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters could not have left off (erring) till the clear proof came unto them,
                          A messenger from Allah, READING PURIFIED PAGES
                          Containing correct scriptures.
                          Nor were the People of the Scripture divided UNTIL AFTER the clear proof came unto them.
                          And they are ordered naught else than to serve Allah, keeping religion pure for Him, as men by nature upright, and to establish worship and to pay the poor-due. That is true religion.

                          It is clear in these verses that the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, Muslims) did not dispute until AFTER the clear proof (of the Quran) was revealed to them. Since, Muhammad did not come with any miracles, we know the proof must refer to the Quranic initials and the math miracle. As well, 982 says it is a Messenger of GOD that is reading these now 'purified pages'. Now, you cannot purify something that is already pure. Therefore, the Quran was corrupted at some time after the death of Prophet Muhammad. Tarnished with the 2 false verses (9128-129). Since, there verse says 'purified pages', we know the false verses would have to be removed. Otherwise, it is still not pure. These verses are very clear. Furthermore, the Arabic word for 'Proof' (Bayyinah) is mentioned 19 times in the Quran.

                          Do you know what `Elleyyeen' is?
                          A numerically structured book.
                          To be witnessed by those close to Me.

                          Peace

                          t is clear in these verses that the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, Muslims) did not dispute until AFTER the clear proof (of the

                          And We sent down the Book to thee for the express purpose that thou shouldst make clear to them those things in which they differ, and that it should be a guide and a mercy to those who believe. 1664

                          ( What do u say to this verse? who received the book to show the things they differenciated in ? Mohamed or Khalifa ? this verse show that mohamed 's book is the book that show's what they differentiates a, and prouve khalifa as an imposter, trying to take the role of a prophet. don't u think so ? or u still don't believe it is the book that show the difference, as revealed to ptophet mohamed !!!

                          Since, Muhammad did not come with any miracles,
                          The quran isn't enaugh for u to say that mohamed came with a great miracle which is called the QURAN ? how come u say mohamed didn't come with any miracle? don't u know that the quran is a miracle book, or u can't see it ? ?

                          we know the proof must refer to the Quranic initials and the math miracle.
                          This is your interpretation, and u can only prouve it as an evidence if u prouve from the quran that the letters and math miracle are in the quran, it has to be prouven from the quran, and not interpretation of a free mind. as u can say about the 1st sourah ever descended on the prophet, it has to be a sourah or verses that are telling him you are a messenger or WAKE UP AND WARN .

                          As well, 982 says it is a Messenger of GOD that is reading these now 'purified pages'.
                          I agree with you , the quran is pure pages, the messenger of god was reading purified pages and not satanic pages. it is clear

                          Now, you cannot purify something that is already pure.
                          Of course, the pure is pure, and god said he's gonna protect and preserve the quran since the verse of preserving the quran came down on his messenger, unless god failed and needed a human to save the face, god did preserve the quran because he said so.

                          Therefore, the Quran was corrupted at some time after the death of Prophet Muhammad.
                          When ? prouve it ? and prouve it from the quran, not from the hadith, remember hadiths are satanic so don't follow them.

                          Tarnished with the 2 false verses (9128-129).
                          if this is true, than bukhari is the messenger of god , because he warned of these two verses and wanted to purify them, he couldn't , the quran stayed the quran, another one tried, his name is rashad , but rashad also couldn't, becaus ethe quran stayed the quran, never been changed, even bukhari couldn't change it, and trust me, bukhari is way stronger than rashad, he had all persia behind him and couldn't insert anything in the ARABIC quran, they did it though is some " purified pages" in persian to suit their belief.

                          Since, there verse says 'purified pages', we know the false verses
                          Did u do your research ? or you are just a follower of what people say ?

                          would have to be removed. Otherwise, it is still not pure.
                          Even if you don't like it, the quran is pure, and will always be, and I don't think u can or rashad or bukhari ever corrupt it .

                          One question, is the translation of rashad , actually the Quran????

                          These verses are very clear. Furthermore, the Arabic word for 'Proof' (Bayyinah) is mentioned 19 times in the Quran.
                          yeah,the clear proof of the quran , prouves that mohamed was a messenger from god, his book testifie, it is clear, he reads pure pages, like moses and abraham, SOUHOUFI IBRAHIMA WA MOUSSA, didn't need code19 to be purified pages .

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                            Bahman
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                            That table is STUPID and you are (the ignorant) !

                            5 130 315301050 1
                            ...................
                            = 19 x ?!

                            Eid laugh7431

                            This table bothers you too much but it is very interesting IF you new finding in table works with any 9 digit or may be multiple of 9 and other digits , it could be another Miracle found by you and make that challenge more complicated, you or any body else do a favor as it is not easy for me to change 114 those 9 digits which explains you when you look at the mirror laugh
                            Yes please find out if any other 9 digits works.
                            Thank you for help.

                            Did you apologize remove other table where you mindlessly flipped digits to make your idol gv a multiple?

                            Which table ? do mean my discovery in here
                            http//y19.net/Rashad.htm
                            There are million Rashad but on Dr. Rashad Khalidah was trusted by God to reveal secret of 7430

                            Lastly, no one knows the order of revelation especially the last chapter according to some was ch 110, while others last verse revealed was on Kalala inheritance 4176 while others say it was 53 This day, I have perfected your religion for you...

                            You are right and Rashad did not know too but he designed that table without knowing that such complicated Miracle is embedded inside it but he was sure of his table when in appendix 24 clearly claims that table is right and then he wrote those numbers on every chapter of his translation.

                            You can gather whole world Mohammedans scholars and guess about orders which was burnt with Original Quran but nobody can desig such table unless by support and inspiration of superhuman.
                            We have talked about it lot and wasting time of readers, you design one from scratch as i have asked you or stop making noise which poeple are tiring from it , go do your home work and design then come back when you done
                            This topic is about translation of one word, if you know good Arabic then insert it and please all members in this topic stay away from other issues. only translate one word

                            A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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                              Bahman
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                              Yeah, i thaught u do speak arabic, sorry, this explanation very logic and makes perfect sense about moukataates. I will translate it to english, peace

                              Peace
                              Even if I know Arabic but many readers do not know and we have to respect their right too, if the article is about this topic welcome but if not please post it in another topic.
                              the topic here is to insert the meaning of one word in English translation

                              A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.
                              Peace

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                                Bahman
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                                t is clear in these verses that the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, Muslims) did not

                                Please move your topic to realted one this thirs time I am asking you.
                                I f you know good Arabic hel us to find right word for following
                                A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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                                  mmkhan
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                                  Salaam Bahman,

                                  Peace
                                  So have you ever study and search why Original was burnt?
                                  or it has not been important for you?
                                  Peace

                                  Brother, I did not understand what you mean? What burning has to do with 381? Can you please explain?

                                  Did you find what I was saying about 381?

                                  Sorry for so many ???

                                  Salaam
                                  May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
                                  Mohammed M. Khan

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                                    mmkhan
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                                    Just insert your own translation

                                    Let me try inshaAllah.

                                    381

                                    381 And when Allah took a covenant from the prophets For what I have given you of Book and wisdom, then a/any messenger will come to you certified what is with you. You will believe in him and support him. He said Do you testify, and agree to that burden? They said We testify. He said Then bear witness, and I am with you bearing witness.

                                    Some simple question from the above

                                    1- What means "then a/any messenger will come TO YOU"?

                                    2- What means "certified what is WITH YOU"?

                                    3- What means "you will believe in HIM and SUPPORT HIM"? How?

                                    And also what do you mean by the same word i.e., 'Musaddiqun' in 289 and 2101?

                                    May Allah guide us all towards the Truth pr
                                    Mohammed M. Khan

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                                      mmkhan
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                                      Do your translation please then we talk about 381
                                      A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

                                      Do you want me to translate ALR? Sorry, I don't know what it means, but the whole aayat could be translated as

                                      101
                                      101 ALR, these are the signs of the Book of wisdom.

                                      May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
                                      Mohammed M. Khan

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                                        Bahman
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                                        Salaam Bahman,

                                        Brother, I did not understand what you mean? What burning has to do with 381? Can you please explain?

                                        Did you find what I was saying about 381?

                                        Sorry for so many ??? )

                                        Salaam
                                        May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
                                        Mohammed M. Khan

                                        Peace
                                        Because translation of those verse ended to find secret of 730 and rasha claim for 381.
                                        No code no 381 because the person in 381 has to proof divinity of Quran.
                                        Peace

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                                          Mazhar
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                                          First open your eyes, and remove (letters) so that you could perceive what has alredy been narrated in detail, and may be, if you know a little bit of Arabic, you might notice how stupid and cheat was Rashad Khalifa that he deliberately forgot that a singular demonstrative pronoun does not refer back to something plural-three consonants.

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