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    seems this new member is not going with forum rules, this a English Topic. Please delete it

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      Peace.
      A.L.R. These (letters) are the

      Peace everybody
      Now is 3 weeks and only accusation, Talking to you that know good Arabic, show you abilty and knowledge and guide me an ll and insert the word fits your understanding. PLEASE`just do your translation without any comment or footnote.
      Peace

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        Rashad

        He is dead. do your translation.
        A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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          Mohammed M. Khan

          Do your translation please then we talk about 381
          A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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            I was reading

            do your translation please.
            A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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              Yeah, i thaught u do speak arabic, sorry, this explanation very logic and makes perfect sense about moukataates. I will translate it to english, peace

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                Any body name can be adjusted to have a multiple but who was inspired to reveal secret of Seven pairs. You,,your teachers, scholars, imams, shaikhs me . Of course accept that Hanifi scholar and you or anybody design such table then that is different.
                Go do your home work and find how Rashad`designed such table which no human can imitate itm by the way do not use band witch for nonsense

                That table is STUPID and you are (the ignorant) !

                5 130 315301050 1
                87 130 315301050 2
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                92 130 315301050 4
                112 130 315301050 5
                55 130 315301050 6
                39 130 315301050 7
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                111 130 315301050 48
                106 130 315301050 49
                34 130 315301050 50
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                105 130 315301050 58
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                24 130 315301050 80
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                20 130 315301050 113
                21 130 315301050 114

                = 19 x ?!

                Did you apologize remove other table where you mindlessly flipped digits to make your idol gv a multiple?

                Rashad
                =505
                505381=19x26599

                Not divisible by 7 and let's apply it to...

                (the ignorant) (Bahman)

                381 130315301050 254050 = 19 x 20059490279002644950

                In your discovery word nineteen (and you must help him) has wrong value ?

                Lastly, no one knows the order of revelation especially the last chapter according to some was ch 110, while others last verse revealed was on Kalala inheritance 4176 while others say it was 53 This day, I have perfected your religion for you...

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                  Even though Rashad Khalifa's translation is correct and the one I use, I'm not using it this time for the sole purpose that nobody here can claim translation bias. So, I used Marmaduke Pickthall.

                  Marmaduke Pickhall Translation

                  Those who disbelieve among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters could not have left off (erring) till the clear proof came unto them,
                  A messenger from Allah, READING PURIFIED PAGES
                  Containing correct scriptures.
                  Nor were the People of the Scripture divided UNTIL AFTER the clear proof came unto them.
                  And they are ordered naught else than to serve Allah, keeping religion pure for Him, as men by nature upright, and to establish worship and to pay the poor-due. That is true religion.

                  It is clear in these verses that the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, Muslims) did not dispute until AFTER the clear proof (of the Quran) was revealed to them. Since, Muhammad did not come with any miracles, we know the proof must refer to the Quranic initials and the math miracle. As well, 982 says it is a Messenger of GOD that is reading these now 'purified pages'. Now, you cannot purify something that is already pure. Therefore, the Quran was corrupted at some time after the death of Prophet Muhammad. Tarnished with the 2 false verses (9128-129). Since, there verse says 'purified pages', we know the false verses would have to be removed. Otherwise, it is still not pure. These verses are very clear. Furthermore, the Arabic word for 'Proof' (Bayyinah) is mentioned 19 times in the Quran.

                  Do you know what `Elleyyeen' is?
                  A numerically structured book.
                  To be witnessed by those close to Me.

                  Peace

                  t is clear in these verses that the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, Muslims) did not dispute until AFTER the clear proof (of the

                  And We sent down the Book to thee for the express purpose that thou shouldst make clear to them those things in which they differ, and that it should be a guide and a mercy to those who believe. 1664

                  ( What do u say to this verse? who received the book to show the things they differenciated in ? Mohamed or Khalifa ? this verse show that mohamed 's book is the book that show's what they differentiates a, and prouve khalifa as an imposter, trying to take the role of a prophet. don't u think so ? or u still don't believe it is the book that show the difference, as revealed to ptophet mohamed !!!

                  Since, Muhammad did not come with any miracles,
                  The quran isn't enaugh for u to say that mohamed came with a great miracle which is called the QURAN ? how come u say mohamed didn't come with any miracle? don't u know that the quran is a miracle book, or u can't see it ? ?

                  we know the proof must refer to the Quranic initials and the math miracle.
                  This is your interpretation, and u can only prouve it as an evidence if u prouve from the quran that the letters and math miracle are in the quran, it has to be prouven from the quran, and not interpretation of a free mind. as u can say about the 1st sourah ever descended on the prophet, it has to be a sourah or verses that are telling him you are a messenger or WAKE UP AND WARN .

                  As well, 982 says it is a Messenger of GOD that is reading these now 'purified pages'.
                  I agree with you , the quran is pure pages, the messenger of god was reading purified pages and not satanic pages. it is clear

                  Now, you cannot purify something that is already pure.
                  Of course, the pure is pure, and god said he's gonna protect and preserve the quran since the verse of preserving the quran came down on his messenger, unless god failed and needed a human to save the face, god did preserve the quran because he said so.

                  Therefore, the Quran was corrupted at some time after the death of Prophet Muhammad.
                  When ? prouve it ? and prouve it from the quran, not from the hadith, remember hadiths are satanic so don't follow them.

                  Tarnished with the 2 false verses (9128-129).
                  if this is true, than bukhari is the messenger of god , because he warned of these two verses and wanted to purify them, he couldn't , the quran stayed the quran, another one tried, his name is rashad , but rashad also couldn't, becaus ethe quran stayed the quran, never been changed, even bukhari couldn't change it, and trust me, bukhari is way stronger than rashad, he had all persia behind him and couldn't insert anything in the ARABIC quran, they did it though is some " purified pages" in persian to suit their belief.

                  Since, there verse says 'purified pages', we know the false verses
                  Did u do your research ? or you are just a follower of what people say ?

                  would have to be removed. Otherwise, it is still not pure.
                  Even if you don't like it, the quran is pure, and will always be, and I don't think u can or rashad or bukhari ever corrupt it .

                  One question, is the translation of rashad , actually the Quran????

                  These verses are very clear. Furthermore, the Arabic word for 'Proof' (Bayyinah) is mentioned 19 times in the Quran.
                  yeah,the clear proof of the quran , prouves that mohamed was a messenger from god, his book testifie, it is clear, he reads pure pages, like moses and abraham, SOUHOUFI IBRAHIMA WA MOUSSA, didn't need code19 to be purified pages .

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                    Bahman
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                    That table is STUPID and you are (the ignorant) !

                    5 130 315301050 1
                    ...................
                    = 19 x ?!

                    Eid laugh7431

                    This table bothers you too much but it is very interesting IF you new finding in table works with any 9 digit or may be multiple of 9 and other digits , it could be another Miracle found by you and make that challenge more complicated, you or any body else do a favor as it is not easy for me to change 114 those 9 digits which explains you when you look at the mirror laugh
                    Yes please find out if any other 9 digits works.
                    Thank you for help.

                    Did you apologize remove other table where you mindlessly flipped digits to make your idol gv a multiple?

                    Which table ? do mean my discovery in here
                    http//y19.net/Rashad.htm
                    There are million Rashad but on Dr. Rashad Khalidah was trusted by God to reveal secret of 7430

                    Lastly, no one knows the order of revelation especially the last chapter according to some was ch 110, while others last verse revealed was on Kalala inheritance 4176 while others say it was 53 This day, I have perfected your religion for you...

                    You are right and Rashad did not know too but he designed that table without knowing that such complicated Miracle is embedded inside it but he was sure of his table when in appendix 24 clearly claims that table is right and then he wrote those numbers on every chapter of his translation.

                    You can gather whole world Mohammedans scholars and guess about orders which was burnt with Original Quran but nobody can desig such table unless by support and inspiration of superhuman.
                    We have talked about it lot and wasting time of readers, you design one from scratch as i have asked you or stop making noise which poeple are tiring from it , go do your home work and design then come back when you done
                    This topic is about translation of one word, if you know good Arabic then insert it and please all members in this topic stay away from other issues. only translate one word

                    A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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                      Bahman
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                      Yeah, i thaught u do speak arabic, sorry, this explanation very logic and makes perfect sense about moukataates. I will translate it to english, peace

                      Peace
                      Even if I know Arabic but many readers do not know and we have to respect their right too, if the article is about this topic welcome but if not please post it in another topic.
                      the topic here is to insert the meaning of one word in English translation

                      A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.
                      Peace

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                        Bahman
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                        t is clear in these verses that the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, Muslims) did not

                        Please move your topic to realted one this thirs time I am asking you.
                        I f you know good Arabic hel us to find right word for following
                        A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

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                          mmkhan
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                          Salaam Bahman,

                          Peace
                          So have you ever study and search why Original was burnt?
                          or it has not been important for you?
                          Peace

                          Brother, I did not understand what you mean? What burning has to do with 381? Can you please explain?

                          Did you find what I was saying about 381?

                          Sorry for so many ???

                          Salaam
                          May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
                          Mohammed M. Khan

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                            mmkhan
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                            Just insert your own translation

                            Let me try inshaAllah.

                            381

                            381 And when Allah took a covenant from the prophets For what I have given you of Book and wisdom, then a/any messenger will come to you certified what is with you. You will believe in him and support him. He said Do you testify, and agree to that burden? They said We testify. He said Then bear witness, and I am with you bearing witness.

                            Some simple question from the above

                            1- What means "then a/any messenger will come TO YOU"?

                            2- What means "certified what is WITH YOU"?

                            3- What means "you will believe in HIM and SUPPORT HIM"? How?

                            And also what do you mean by the same word i.e., 'Musaddiqun' in 289 and 2101?

                            May Allah guide us all towards the Truth pr
                            Mohammed M. Khan

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                              mmkhan
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                              Do your translation please then we talk about 381
                              A.L.R. These (letters) are the ? of this book of wisdom.

                              Do you want me to translate ALR? Sorry, I don't know what it means, but the whole aayat could be translated as

                              101
                              101 ALR, these are the signs of the Book of wisdom.

                              May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
                              Mohammed M. Khan

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                                Bahman
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                                Salaam Bahman,

                                Brother, I did not understand what you mean? What burning has to do with 381? Can you please explain?

                                Did you find what I was saying about 381?

                                Sorry for so many ??? )

                                Salaam
                                May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
                                Mohammed M. Khan

                                Peace
                                Because translation of those verse ended to find secret of 730 and rasha claim for 381.
                                No code no 381 because the person in 381 has to proof divinity of Quran.
                                Peace

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                                  First open your eyes, and remove (letters) so that you could perceive what has alredy been narrated in detail, and may be, if you know a little bit of Arabic, you might notice how stupid and cheat was Rashad Khalifa that he deliberately forgot that a singular demonstrative pronoun does not refer back to something plural-three consonants.

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                                    Let me try inshaAllah.

                                    381

                                    381 And when Allah took a covenant from the prophets For what I have given you of Book and wisdom, then a/any messenger will come to you certified what is with you. You will believe in him and support him. He said Do you testify, and agree to that burden? They said We testify. He said Then bear witness, and I am with you bearing witness.

                                    Some simple question from the above

                                    1- What means "then a/any messenger will come TO YOU"?

                                    "Then" means later and is is EMPHASIZED by "Will come"
                                    TO YOU
                                    Me and you read and resite the mesaage not prophet when Made covenant with all prophets including prophet Mohammed.

                                    2- What means "certified what is WITH YOU"?

                                    Certifify, confirm, verify, fr anybody intersted to read Quran

                                    3- What means "you will believe in HIM and SUPPORT HIM"? How?

                                    You is me and you or anybody read Quran to support such person with such task,duty, by spreading information and aware people of new Miracle for this era,

                                    And also what do you mean by the same word i.e., 'Musaddiqun' in 289 and 2101?

                                    My Arabic is not at level to anlyze the words but this on is easy as we use use in Fari too/

                                    Mossadeq
                                    To matches original
                                    Tasdiq
                                    certified the originality
                                    Sadeq
                                    showing reality and orioginality.

                                    and now see what Rashad says

                                    The Quran Consummates All Scriptures
                                    When this scripture came to them from GOD, and even though it agrees with, and confirms what they have, and even though they used to prophesy its advent when they talked with the disbelievers, when their own prophecy came to pass, they disbelieved therein. GOD's condemnation thus afflicts the disbelievers.

                                    Miserable indeed is what they sold their souls for - rejecting these revelations of GOD out of sheer resentment that GOD should bestow His grace upon whomever He chooses from among His servants. Consequently, they incurred wrath upon wrath. The disbelievers have incurred a humiliating retribution.

                                    When they are told, "You shall believe in these revelations of GOD," they say, "We believe only in what was sent down to us." Thus, they disbelieve in subsequent revelations, even if it is the truth from their Lord, and even though it confirms what they have! Say, "Why then did you kill GOD's prophets, if you were believers?"

                                    One of the most discussed and argued issue which has been pondered many times is incidents and stories that we find almost same in previous scriptures which Christain and Jews claim it is forged fro their book and even God say to prophet you did not read any before but they say he was grown up in church up to early years and some says he was hearing this story and repeated.
                                    Before my conversion I was joking that neither have a solid proof for doing Tasdiq to confirm that their book is Mossadeq ans is word of God.
                                    But now I believ Quran is words of God and everything there unles 19-128-129 are word of him and by Code 19 all misspelling and manipulation by scriber are corrected in here.
                                    and
                                    Such imitation has no value without Miracle )

                                    and Rashad write about

                                    Now that a messenger from GOD has come to them, and even though he proves and confirms their own scripture, some followers of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) disregard GOD's scripture behind their backs, as if they never had any scripture.

                                    *2101 God's Messenger of the Covenant is prophesied in the Old Testament (Malachi 31-3), the New Testament (Luke 1722-37), and this Final Testament (381).

                                    and then another messages says

                                    God's Messenger of the Covenant*

                                    Now that it is too late, they remember! An enlightening messenger had come to them.

                                    But they turned away from him, saying, "Well educated, but crazy!"

                                    We will relieve the retribution for awhile; you will soon revert.

                                    The day we strike the big stroke, we will avenge.

                                    We have tested before them the people of Pharaoh; an honorable messenger went to them.

                                    Proclaiming "Listen to me, servants of GOD. I am an honest messenger to you."


                                    *4410 Only two signs are yet to be fulfilled, this smoke and Gog and Magog (Appendix 25).
                                    *4413 The sum of sura and verse numbers (44+13) is 57, 19x3, and this Quranic code was proclaimed by God's Messenger of the Covenant (Appendices 1, 2 , & 26).

                                    Peace

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                                      Do you want me to translate ALR? Sorry, I don't know what it means, but the whole aayat could be translated as

                                      101
                                      101 ALR, these are the signs of the Book of wisdom.

                                      May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
                                      Mohammed M. Khan

                                      Peace and thank you for your response. Let us find meaning of SIGN in English now

                                      http//www.thefreedictionary.com/sign

                                      1. Something that suggests the presence or existence of a fact, condition, or quality.
                                        And Rashad was inspired to find this fact for those 7 pairs of letters.
                                        God Bless you for your response )
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                                        7431

                                        rotfl laugh

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                                          Salaam brother,

                                          "Then" means later and is is EMPHASIZED by "Will come"
                                          TO YOU
                                          Me and you read and resite the mesaage not prophet when Made covenant with all prophets including prophet Mohammed.

                                          381

                                          It is not TO YOU brother, but it is TO YOU ALL. Please look at the highlighted above.

                                          When covenant was taken by ALL PROPHETS, it is obviously saying THEM then a/any messenger will come TO YOU ALL, not us .

                                          Certifify, confirm, verify, fr anybody intersted to read Quran
                                          You is me and you or anybody read Quran to support such person with such task,duty, by spreading information and aware people of new Miracle for this era,

                                          But not every time. Please see and tell me who is YOU in the following aayat.

                                          3337

                                          3337 And you said to the one who was blessed by Allah, and blessed by you Keep your wife and reverence Allah, and you hid inside yourself what Allah wished to proclaim. And you were concerned with the people, while Allah was more deserving that you be concerned with. So when Zayd ended his relationship with his wife, We had you marry her, to establish that there is no wrongdoing for the believers in marrying the wives of their adopted sons if their relationship is ended. And the command of Allah is always done.

                                          How will you understand this?

                                          One of the most discussed and argued issue which has been pondered many times is incidents and stories that we find almost same in previous scriptures which Christain and Jews claim it is forged fro their book and even God say to prophet you did not read any before but they say he was grown up in church up to early years and some says he was hearing this story and repeated.
                                          Before my conversion I was joking that neither have a solid proof for doing Tasdiq to confirm that their book is Mossadeq ans is word of God.
                                          But now I believ Quran is words of God and everything there unles 19-128-129 are word of him and by Code 19 all misspelling and manipulation by scriber are corrected in here.
                                          and
                                          Such imitation has no value without Miracle &nbsp

                                          I don't have any problem with number 19, but I have to study it, till then -X

                                          and Rashad write about

                                          Now that a messenger from GOD has come to them, and even though he proves and confirms their own scripture, some followers of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) disregard GOD's scripture behind their backs, as if they never had any scripture.

                                          *2101 God's Messenger of the Covenant is prophesied in the Old Testament (Malachi 31-3), the New Testament (Luke 1722-37), and this Final Testament (381).

                                          But 2101 talks about a messenger from Allah to THEM, not to us.

                                          and then another messages says

                                          God's Messenger of the Covenant*

                                          Now that it is too late, they remember! An enlightening messenger had come to them.

                                          But they turned away from him, saying, "Well educated, but crazy!"

                                          We will relieve the retribution for awhile; you will soon revert.

                                          The day we strike the big stroke, we will avenge.

                                          We have tested before them the people of Pharaoh; an honorable messenger went to them.

                                          Proclaiming "Listen to me, servants of GOD. I am an honest messenger to you."

                                          Brother please don't take me wrong. Let me remind you of 37

                                          37

                                          37 He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are firm revelations; they are the essence of the Book; and others which are similar. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they will follow what is similar from it seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God, and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say We believe in it, all is from our Lord. And none will remember except those who possess intelligence.

                                          Points to be noted

                                          1- Mohkam aayaats are Umm-AlKitaab .

                                          2- Mutashabih aayaats means you enjoin those to anyone, anywhere in any context you like. It gives you similar meaning to what you are trying to prove.

                                          Like for example

                                          4714

                                          4714 Is he who is based on proof from his Lord, as he for whom his evil works have been adorned for him and they followed their desires?

                                          Who is the HE here, one could say it is Ali, some say it is Mehdi, some say Ghulam Ahmed Qaadiyani, I could say It me, you could say its you, etc...

                                          3- Those who have disease in their hearts follow what is Mutashabih , to find 'Confusion' and try to get 'Interpretation' of it.

                                          4- Only Allah knows the interpretation of those Mutashabih aayaats.

                                          5- Those who are well knowledgeable they say, they believe in them, all is from our Lord.

                                          I suggest you sincerely brother to keep yourself away from what you don't understand YOURSELF from AlQuraan. There is nothing personal. A humble suggestion is to be honest to yourself and ask Allah for the TRUE GUIDANCE, He is the all Listener and Knower.

                                          May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us all towards the correct path.
                                          Mohammed M. Khan

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