Is hell going to be eternal for anyone acording to the Quran
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I believe that its most likely eternal.
Hell does not purify , "Allah will not speak to them on the day of Resurrection, nor will He purify them". In similar manner God will not purify those who take a small price for their oaths & His covenant , but one who aknowledges their faults may be purified with alms . God purifies "whom He pleases" .
It is said of the followed and their followers, "Thus will Allah show them their deeds to be intense regret to them, and they will not escape from the Fire." , but they want to get out . Karijeen comes from kh-ra-jim . In verses 80-82 of the 2nd chapter God makes a point that khalidun , from kh-l-d is opposed to "a few numbered days " espoused by a particular party of people. MaAAdoodatan is counted ones from Ayn-Dal .
Joe
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A wise person I know once told me that "hell" was separation from G-d. (Isn't that painful? Isn't the worst physical pain we can imagine or have experienced a burning, tearing pain? How painful is that for our soul to experience? Maybe this is just a really good metaphor from G-d. . . however, have you ever lost yourself and felt completely cut off from G-d in this life? Didn't it tear you apart, emotionally?)
Were you speaking with a Jew? I did not think they believed in a Hell. Perhaps some sect does. In Dante's Inferno the farthest from God are encased in ice. I think there is a searing, burning pain one experiences from the freezing cold.
She also said that "heaven" was being in the presence of G-d. (Compare any experience you've had of "heaven" (a feeling of unity, or the presence of G-d in your life) and "hell" (that separateness I described above)).
Yes, the Quran says that "to Allah (G-d) we will return.I do believe these are conditions we are living with on earth and can and do cultivate within ourselves.
Joe
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I see that even among us Quranists there are diferent opinions. I sugest that we should all still consider each other to be part of the same faith/Islam but have diferent opinions. I am not particularly interested in others understanding the Quran same as my self.
I simply read the Quran and if something seems not probable I try to discus it wich is obviously why I started this thread. I personaly would do some things diferently if it was up to me. But Its not up to me, its up to God.
Again, it says in many places that Hell is eternal and no one has given me a satisfying answer as to why those verses mean otherwise.
All these reasons are why I have left Islam in the past and why I ventured into Deism because over there I can create a God that makes the most sense to me wich is not nececerily enginering him but trying to reason as much as posible.
However I am very much interested in the truth about God and to me after reading the Quran it simply seems as if there is eternal hell. Now eternal hell seems so rough that I am finding it hard to believe in those verses wich is why I started this thread.
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I see that even among us Quranists there are diferent opinions. I sugest that we should all still consider each other to be part of the same faith/Islam but have diferent opinions. I am not particularly interested in others understanding the Quran same as my self.
I simply read the Quran and if something seems not probable I try to discus it wich is obviously why I started this thread. I personaly would do some things diferently if it was up to me. But Its not up to me, its up to God.
Again, it says in many places that Hell is eternal and no one has given me a satisfying answer as to why those verses mean otherwise.
All these reasons are why I have left Islam in the past and why I ventured into Deism because over there I can create a God that makes the most sense to me wich is not nececerily enginering him but trying to reason as much as posible.
However I am very much interested in the truth about God and to me after reading the Quran it simply seems as if there is eternal hell. Now eternal hell seems so rough that I am finding it hard to believe in those verses wich is why I started this thread.
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To understand eternity in this world and in the next, understand the creation, starts with a big bang, and ends with a big implosion, and than the cycle repeats, the next universe the same, starts with a big bang, and ends with a big implosion, as god says in the verses 2130 and 21104 , and eternity is in between these 2 events of creation, the next <will be better , because it's the evolution of the universe itself.
The big bang
Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? 2130
The big implosion , than repeats the cycle
The Day when We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolleth up a written scroll. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise (binding) upon Us. Lo! We are to perform it 21104
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I do agree with loxbox13.
Perhaps, take note from 2118, maybe the end of this cycle is when all truth is distinguished from all falsehood, whatever that means. Then there would be no real purpose for the universe quranically.
Even though there is an eternity between now and the end, there is still an end. According to the quran, this is the first creation? Or is this perhaps #290242094831110 and we are completely unawares?
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Looking for something else I found this message in another thread
Quote from Ashraf on September 14, 2009, 014843 AM
Dear Samia,I want to learn and hope you dont mind to reply
Is it wrong if i understand the verse 2203 as follows
Minimum "ma3doodat" >>> two days
Maximum "ma3doodat" >>> varies (3 or 4 or 7 etc) but preferably 10, however 10 is not a mandatory.The only 10 that I consider a preferred count was just my understanding base on "hint" in 2196 and 892. (is there anything else?)
However 10 days in 2196 is for hajj I am not sure whether I can overconfidantly say so that 10 days apply to Ramadhan as well.
My understanding at this moment is that Allah give His mercy (leeway) for us to decide the max no of days to our personal preference/ability this time around, but minimum is two. (This stand is still subject to debate/correction)
On other note Allah is very specific with the number of siyaam ie. 3 days (589), 10 days (2196). Any feedback appreciated.
Peace, Ashraf
Samia says
Welcome back! It's been almost a year...I wouldn't consider 2 as part of ma3duudat, since it's mentioned as an exception for special circumsatnces of what would be accepted outside the ma3duudaat.
Minimum of ma3duudat 3
Maximum 10http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg222598#msg222598
It may be of interest regarding the aya 2.80 which has been mentioned in this thread repeatedly.
There is just one difference, in 2.203 says ayam ma3dudaat (adjective in plural), and in 2.80 says ayam ma3duda (adjective in singular).
As far as I know in plural of things, adjectives are normally in singular feminine, so for me the question is why in 2.203 is in plural and whether or not it affects to the number of days that that come in that range.
Salaam
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I do agree with loxbox13.
Perhaps, take note from 2118, maybe the end of this cycle is when all truth is distinguished from all falsehood, whatever that means. Then there would be no real purpose for the universe quranically.
Even though there is an eternity between now and the end, there is still an end. According to the quran, this is the first creation? Or is this perhaps #290242094831110 and we are completely unawares?
#290242094831110
This number its too much, but it's a possibility, there's no way wa can knowI believe it's the second for us as humans, and there will be another one, called the heareafter
How disbelieve ye in Allah when ye were dead and He gave life to you! Then He will give you death, then life again, and then unto Him ye will return 228
They say Our Lord! Twice hast Thou made us die, and twice hast Thou made us live. Now we confess our sins. Is there any way to go out? 4011
So maybe in the Universe before this, we existed for the 1st time, as a trial or something, or primitive beigns who needed another start from zero for evolution, if this is true, than the next world we'll be even more sophisticated lol , more evolution, because even the universe gets evolution.
It's just my understanding of these ayats, i could be wrong, but been dead than alive than dead than again alive, and twise so , before the first death, than we existed or not ? a dead man is a man that existed I believe. -
What I am more interested in is whether or not anyone has ever been to this horrible place called Hell.
Is this how we know about it? Or is it just another myth to keep us in fear of whoever runs the press.... -
Were you speaking with a Jew? I did not think they believed in a Hell.
Then, perhaps, we ought to hear them out on the subject, instead of just claiming a culture for our own and scattering the ashes about.
Salaam.
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Here is the answer to this thread
007040 - Surely (as for) those who reject Our communications and turn away from them haughtily, the doors of heaven shall not be opened for them, nor shall they enter the garden until the camel pass through the eye of the needle; and thus do We reward the guilty.
So all that needs to be done is to fit a camel through a pinhole. Any takers willing to save the stupidest segment of humanity from the fires of hell?
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This is an interesting thread.
Ok... So the Jewish perspective on the afterlife.... there is no official Jewish perspective on the afterlife. Jews believe everything from "when you die its over" to transmigration of the soul. Since there is no official view, people tend not to talk about it too much.
If we operate from the clear stance that Allah is Merciful and Compassionate, then we would have to say that hell is more of a deterrent for those who refuse to submit to him. And those who while in hell appeal to his mercy and compassion may receive that. However, those who still refuse would remain there indefinitely. Besides if Allah said if you fornicate you will endure 25minutes of hell and then you go to heaven, one might think "25 minutes... I can do that". I think a soul is in hell if they are lost from Allah and can't find him or refuse to find him. If a soul refuses to submit then hell would be eternal. However, this is my opinion.
Would love to hear other's opinions.
Pel I can appreciate that you are a seeker and how difficult that can be. However, one thing you will find is that all religions even deism have something about them you will not like. You need to develop faith. Faith is believing in something that cannot be proved. I think you need to draw close to Allah and see what he wants for you. Then you can build a solid relationship with Allah. Don't worry about rituals or how to do them correctly, sit quietly, pray, study and look for Allah's work in your life and in those around you. Then you will develop faith.
Peace, Salam, Shalom
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I think a soul is in hell if they are lost from Allah and can't find him or refuse to find him. If a soul refuses to submit then hell would be eternal. However, this is my opinion.
I would agree with that. It reminds me of a near death experience report I read somewhere. The person experiencing that siad that they had a vision of this incredible light and a bunch of souls, some drawn close to the light, some far away. Those souls close to the light were in bliss, and further away from the light those souls were in pure anguish.
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Salaam all,
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325323 Did you not see those who were given a portion of the Book being invited to the Book of Allah to judge between them, then a group of them turns away while they are adverse?
324 That is because they said The Fire will not touch us except for a few number of days, and they were arrogant by what they invented in their system.
325 How shall it be when We gather them on the Day in which there is no doubt; and every soul shall receive what it has earned, and they will not be wronged.
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
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Thanks, Mkhan, it seems that in effect, ma3duda and ma3dudaat are used with the same meaning. So, I guess we can take that those ayam m3duda the Qur'an says rfer to this idea they rejecters had, that hell would just be a few days, between 3 and ten.
Salaam
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Salaam,
My take on this is as follows
Whoever reads the whole quran can only come up with one understanding regarding Judgement Day, Heaven and Hell.
Entering heaven or hell is the result of the balance of you work on Judgement Day. Whoever has more good deeds than bad deeds will go to heaven, and same for the opposite. Once you're in there's no going out.
Regards
RamziPS. If your good deeds equal your bad deeds, then you play a penalty shootout with God. jedi
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"You don't have to die to go there, because we're livin' in hell."-Life Scientist
To me, hell is separation from Allah. Heaven is to be in the presence of the Sustainer.
I think Sura 2.28 has already been mentioned, but it's worth revisiting "How can you reject faith in God? Do you not recall that you were once without life, and God gave you life; then God will cause you to die, and will again bring you to life; and finally to Allah you will return."
That quote is from this heretical website http//rose-sufi-crescent.blogspot.com/2007/02/islam-sufism-and-reincarnation.html Obviously, this quote is being used to espouse the non-traditional view of reincarnation.
Honestly, what is the true point of Islam? Is it really about debating backward beliefs in which some mean-spirited deity tortures people for eternity and dares to call it justice? To me, that kind of behavior is demonic, pure and simple. If you are going to truly submit to the Creator, that seems to imply some sort of action beyond reading a book. The definition of yoga is to join oneself with God, and that seems to be what Islam demands.
Eternal hellfire is not just. Would you purposely spend time around a human whose hobbies include buring other human beings? I am guessing not. So why would you worship a God that does the same thing? Is it because might makes right? I'm not trying to be rude, but I am curious about the mental state of those who believe this.
Any book that has been touched by man is somewhat corrupted. Salaam.
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Hello all,
7179 is just a single fact belonging this obvious truth in whole Quran Hell is eternal just like Heaven.
7179Many, moreover, of the Djinn and men have we created for Hell. Hearts have they with which they understand not, and eyes have they with which they see not, and ears have they with which they hearken not. They are like the brutes Yea, they go more astray these are the heedless.
Peace.
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Salam,
According the Quran,the hellfire is eternal for those who did not submit themselves to God during their life on Earth.
According the Quran,the heaven is eternal for those who submitted themselves to God during their life on Earth.Quran,chapter 2
Peace,
Kindness