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Ar'Reh'maan is the Personal Name of Allah, and NOT attributive name/description

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    abdullah_m
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    as-salamu `alaykum

    This is so interesting! I am thinking of surah #55 "Ar-Rahman * has taught the Qur'an"...

    Is there any other place in the Qur'an where a divine name/attribute is used as the subject of a sentence by itself like this? If not, then that would further strengthen your position.

    I also like the idea you present of Allah as the outer name and Ar-Rahman as the inner name.

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      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/096.%20Al%20Alq/96.1.gif

      You read with the Name of your Sustainer Lord, the One Who created .

      And the Messenger started reading the Book pronouncing;
      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/001.%20Al%20Fateha/1.01a.gif

      Allah is great

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        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/096.%20Al%20Alq/96.1.gif

        You read with the Name of your Sustainer Lord, the One Who created .

        And the Messenger started reading the Book pronouncing;
        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/001.%20Al%20Fateha/1.01a.gif

        Allah is great

        Sorry Raaajah, what is the translation of the arabic displayed in your post?

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          Raaajah
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          Beginning is with Allah's personal name Ar'Reh'maan Who is The Fountain of Infinite Mercy.

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            Mazhar
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            as-salamu `alaykum

            This is so interesting! I am thinking of surah #55 "Ar-Rahman * has taught the Qur'an"...

            Is there any other place in the Qur'an where a divine name/attribute is used as the subject of a sentence by itself like this? If not, then that would further strengthen your position.

            I also like the idea you present of Allah as the outer name and Ar-Rahman as the inner name.

            An excellent observation for cross check. I have related with reference to the subject of verbs, like creation, appointing, promise, teaching. Ar Rehman is used as subject of verb. That will be uploaded shortely, InshaAllah. The work suggested by you is quite voluminous. I have started checking it. Ar Rahim, Rahim is not used as subject of a nominal sentence and also not as subject of a verb.

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              abdullah_m
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              An excellent observation for cross check.

              Thanks. After I posted, I was also thinking about "rabb" like Raaajah.

              But rabb is so often used with a possessive pronoun like "your Lord" - is it ever used as "THE Lord" in the Qur'an like it is in the Bible? Except in direct connection with the word Allah Allah ir-Rabbil 'alameen.

              The issue is rather, do we find "Ar-Rabb" by itself as a subject? In any case, I'm siding with Mazhar that Ar-Rahman is the most intimate/personal name of all the names.

              God bless you.

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                I do not believe Allah is named, in such a way. Allah is not born, and thus unnamed, by human standards. Allah is completely transcendent. Some use the expression "nameless" about this. He is without a name/definition. However as we know, The Quran uses the expression "All the most beautiful names belong to him." And we know that, as we praise our Lord, we give him truthfully the best of attributes/names.

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                  Peace,

                  I do not believe Allah is named, in such a way.

                  It is clearly written "in name" Allah

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                    Fascinating! Thank you! I do have one question though. . . in an earlier part of your writing in this post you talk about how names are neither male or female and later you say that this name can't be feminized. Is it then male? Or is Ar'Reh'maan gender neutral? (Sorry, but I don't know Arabic very well at all!) )
                    Thanks!
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                      Mazhar
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                      Fascinating! Thank you! I do have one question though. . . in an earlier part of your writing in this post you talk about how names are neither male or female and later you say that this name can't be feminized. Is it then male? Or is Ar'Reh'maan gender neutral? (Sorry, but I don't know Arabic very well at all!) )
                      Thanks!
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                      Adjectives, participles are also nouns in Arabic. is masculine. To make it feminine we will make it . What I stated is that Personal Nouns/Names are not processed for making them feminine or from feminine making them masculine. A masculine name will always remain masculine. I hope Sisiter it clarifies.

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                        Mazhar
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                        Thanks. After I posted, I was also thinking about "rabb" like Raaajah.

                        But rabb is so often used with a possessive pronoun like "your Lord" - is it ever used as "THE Lord" in the Qur'an like it is in the Bible? Except in direct connection with the word Allah Allah ir-Rabbil 'alameen.

                        The issue is rather, do we find "Ar-Rabb" by itself as a subject? In any case, I'm siding with Mazhar that Ar-Rahman is the most intimate/personal name of all the names.

                        God bless you.

                        "Rabb" is not a personal name. It is a noun of relationship. Therefore it has a suffixed possessive pronoun or a separate possessive noun in genitive construction. And is a verbal noun. Personal Name is exclusive to the Self/Being/Personality.

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                          loxbox13
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                          First time I feel this translation after reading all thses

                          I believe ALLAH=The God is the wrong translation , in arabic is the god = Al-Ileh , just like God=Ileh , and The God isn't Allah. but Al-Ileh

                          In the name of The Divinity, Alrahman the merciful

                          Sounds more personnel message

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                            "Rabb" is not a personal name. It is a noun of relationship. Therefore it has a suffixed possessive pronoun or a separate possessive noun in genitive construction. And is a verbal noun. Personal Name is exclusive to the Self/Being/Personality.

                            So true.... First, He/Allah/That-which-is-beyond-being CREATED (by his infinite grace/mercy/rahmah independent/samad), then he told the creation, "Am I not your RABB?" - thereby establishing the relationship. (AQ 7.172) Before there was a creation, there had to be Ar-Rahman projecting ruh/being/primordial-substance outward in the direction of nothingness.

                            This is perfectly in line with traditional metaphysics, by the way.

                            But why did you call nabi Muhammad (a.s.) "our Guide Lord" in the first post? (7th paragraph) We are commanded not to take prophets as lords. That's what Christians and Buddhists do.

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                              Mazhar
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                              But why did you call nabi Muhammad (a.s.) "our Guide Lord" in the first post? (7th paragraph) We are commanded not to take prophets as lords. That's what Christians and Buddhists do.

                              Guide

                              1. vti show somebody the way to lead somebody in the right direction

                              2. vt advise or influence somebody to advise or counsel somebody, or influence the way somebody behaves or acts

                              3. vt help somebody learn something to teach somebody,

                              4. vt steer something

                              Lord

                              a man who is a member of the nobility,

                              . powerful man a man who has considerable power, authority, or influence over others

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                                loxbox13
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                                Rahman sounds like Amon RA in reverse

                                maybe the god of the Egyptians was called Rahman

                                the eye of RA is not an eye symbol, but that's how to write AmonRa

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                                  Mazhar is Right, the only name of Allah in the Quran is RAHMAN

                                  I copied most verses containing the name Rahman, i replaced the beneficient with the original name Rahman , and it sounds a personal name , the only personnel name, all others are attributes

                                  Thus We send thee unto a nation, before whom other nations have passed away, that thou mayst recite unto them that which We have inspired in thee, while they are disbelievers in AlRahman. Say He is my Lord; there is no God save Him. In Him do I put my trust and unto Him is my recourse 1330

                                  Say Cry unto Allah, or cry unto AlRahman, unto whichsoever ye cry . His are the most beautiful names. And thou , be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between 17110

                                  She said Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God-fearing 1718

                                  So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say Lo! I have vowed a fast unto AlRahman, and may not speak this day to any mortal 1926

                                  O my father! Serve not the devil. Lo! the devil is a rebel unto AlRahman1944

                                  my father! Lo! I fear lest a punishment from AlRahman overtake thee so that thou become a comrade of the devil 1945

                                  These are they unto whom Allah showed favour from among the prophets, of the seed of Adam and of those whom We carried (in the ship) with Noah, and of the seed of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom We guided and chose. When the revelations of AlRahman were recited unto them, they fell down, adoring and weeping 1858

                                  Gardens of Eden, which AlRahman hath promised to His slaves in the unseen. Lo! His promise is ever sure of fulfilment 1961

                                  And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell. (6 Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stubborn in rebellion to AlRahman 1969

                                  Say As for him who is in error, AlRahman will verily prolong his span of life until, when they behold that which they were promised, whether it be punishment (in the world), or the Hour (of doom), they will know who is worse in position and who is weaker as an army. 1975

                                  Hath he perused the Unseen, or hath he made a pact with AlRahman? 1978

                                  On the day when We shall gather the righteous unto AlRahman, a goodly company 1985

                                  They will have no power of intercession, save him who hath made a covenant with AlRahman. 1987

                                  And they say AlRahman hath taken unto Himself a son 1988

                                  That ye ascribe unto AlRahman a son,1991

                                  When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) AlRahman that He should choose a son 1992

                                  There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto AlRahman as a slave. 1993

                                  Lo! those who believe and do good works, AlRahman will appoint for them love. 1996

                                  AlRahman, Who is established on the Throne 205

                                  And Aaron indeed had told them beforehand O my people! Ye are but being seduced therewith, for lo! your Lord is AlRahman, so follow me and obey my order 2090

                                  On that day they follow the summoner who deceiveth not, and voices are hushed for AlRahman, and thou hearest but a faint murmur. 20108

                                  On that day no intercession availeth save (that of) him unto whom AlRahman hath given leave and whose word He accepteth 20109

                                  And they say AlRahman hath taken unto Himself a son. Be He glorified! Nay, but (those whom they call sons) are honoured slaves 2126

                                  And when those who disbelieve behold thee, they but choose thee out for mockery, (saying) Is this he who maketh mention of your gods? And they would deny all mention of AlRahman 2136

                                  Say Who guardeth you in the night or in the day from AlRahman? Nay, but they turn away from mention of their Lord! 2142

                                  He saith My Lord! Judge Thou with truth. Our Lord is AlRahman, Whose help is to be implored against that which ye ascribe 21112

                                  The Sovereignty on that day will be the True (Sovereignty) belonging to AlRahman, and it will be a hard day for disbelievers 2526

                                  Who created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six Days, then He mounted the Throne. AlRahman! Ask anyone informed concerning Him 2559

                                  And when it is said unto them Adore AlRahman! they say And what is the Beneficent? Are we to adore to whatever thou (Muhammad) biddest us? And it increaseth aversion in them 2560

                                  The (faithful) slaves of AlRahman are they who walk upon the earth modestly, and when the foolish ones address them answer Peace 2563

                                  Never cometh there unto them a fresh reminder from AlRahman, but they turn away from it. 265

                                  Thou warnest only him who followeth the Reminder and feareth AlRahman in secret. To him bear tidings of forgiveness and a rich reward 3611

                                  They said Ye are but mortals like unto us. AlRahman hath naught revealed. Ye do but lie! 3615

                                  Shall I take (other) gods in place of Him when, if AlRahman should wish me any harm, their intercession will avail me naught, nor can they save? 3623

                                  Crying Woe upon us! Who hath raised us from our place of sleep? This is that which the Beneficent did promise, and the messengers spoke truth 3652

                                  And if one of them hath tidings of that which he likeneth to the Beneficent One, his countenance becometh black and he is full of inward rage 4316

                                  And they make the angels, who are the slaves of AlRahman, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded and they will be questioned 4319

                                  And they say If the AlRahman had (so) willed, we should not have worshipped them. They have no knowledge whatsoever of that. They do but guess. 4320

                                  And were it not that mankind would have become one community, We might well have appointed, for those who disbelieve in AlRahman, roofs of silver for their houses and stairs (of silver) whereby to mount 4333

                                  And he whose sight is dim to the remembrance of AlRahman, We assign unto him a devil who becometh his comrade 4336

                                  And ask those of Our messengers whom We sent before thee Did We ever appoint gods to be worshipped beside AlRahman 4345

                                  Say If AlRahman hath a son, then, I shall be first among the worshippers 4381

                                  Who feareth AlRahman in secret and cometh with a contrite heart 5033

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                                  AlRahman (1) Hath made known the Qur'an. (2) He hath created man. (3) He hath taught him utterance 551-4

                                  He is The God, than Whom there is no other God, the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible. He is AlRahman, Merciful 5822

                                  Who hath created seven heavens in harmony. Thou (Muhammad) canst see no fault in AlRahman's creation; then look again Canst thou see any rifts? 673

                                  Have they not seen the birds above them spreading out their wings and closing them? Naught upholdeth them save AlRahman. Lo! He is Seer of all things 6719

                                  Or who is he that will be an army unto you to help you instead of AlRahman? The disbelievers are in naught but illusion 6720

                                  Say He is AlRahman. In Him we believe and in Him we put our trust. And ye will soon know who it is that is in error manifest 6729

                                  Lord of the heavens and the earth, and (all) that is between them, AlRahman with Whom none can converse 7837

                                  On the day when the angels and the Spirit stand arrayed, they speak not, saving him whom AlRahman alloweth and who speaketh right 7838

                                  All others attributes, are just attributes, some can be given to men, like, mumin, raouf , rahim, rouhama = rahim in pluriel = Halim , Aalim etc... some attributes can't be gien to humans, like mutakabir
                                  but the only names are allah wich in the divine or the god, like a position, and the personel name Al Rahman , or the Rahman
                                  maybe AmonRa is the Rahman , the god of the Egyptians, they kidnapped the history of Egypt between an elite heritage, so no one will know that the Egyptians kings were the messengers of Allah.

                                  we only know what they told us about the history of Egypt.

                                  The Rahman knows best

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                                    Jafar
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                                    I'm confused by the concept of "Personal Name"..
                                    -What is "Personal Name"?
                                    -And who gives The God His "Personal Name"?
                                    -Can The God haves multiple (more than one) "Personal Names"?

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                                      Salaaman LB13,

                                      Mazhar is Right, the only name of Allah in the Quran is RAHMAN

                                      I copied most verses containing the name Rahman, i replaced the beneficient with the original name Rahman , and it sounds a personal name , the only personnel name, all others are attributes

                                      All others attributes, are just attributes, some can be given to men, like, mumin, raouf , rahim, rouhama = rahim in pluriel = Halim , Aalim etc... some attributes can't be gien to humans, like mutakabir
                                      but the only names are allah wich in the divine or the god, like a position, and the personel name Al Rahman , or the Rahman

                                      Attributes ???

                                      7180

                                      7180 And to Allah belong the most beautiful names, so call Him by them; and leave alone those who deviate His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.

                                      "Asmaa-a" is plural. There are many names of Allah.

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                                      1965 The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know anything that is like Him?

                                      Without making it complicated, it is really easy to differentiate between the names of Allah and His attributes with "AL".

                                      Raheem = Attribute
                                      Al + Raheem = Name

                                      Khaliq = Attribute
                                      Al + Khaliq = Name

                                      Malik = Attribute
                                      Al + Malik = Name

                                      Rubb = Attribute

                                      Al + Rahmaan = Name

                                      This is how I understand.

                                      May Allah forgive us if we are wrong and correct us pr
                                      Mohammed M. Khan

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                                        Salaaman LB13,

                                        Attributes ???

                                        7180

                                        7180 And to Allah belong the most beautiful names, so call Him by them; and leave alone those who deviate His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.

                                        "Asmaa-a" is plural. There are many names of Allah.

                                        1965

                                        1965 The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know anything that is like Him?

                                        Without making it complicated, it is really easy to differentiate between the names of Allah and His attributes with "AL".

                                        Raheem = Attribute
                                        Al + Raheem = Name

                                        Khaliq = Attribute
                                        Al + Khaliq = Name

                                        Malik = Attribute
                                        Al + Malik = Name

                                        Rubb = Attribute

                                        Al + Rahmaan = Name

                                        This is how I understand.

                                        May Allah forgive us if we are wrong and correct us pr
                                        Mohammed M. Khan

                                        Salam brother khan

                                        Say Cry unto Allah, or cry unto AlRahman, unto whichsoever ye cry . His are the most beautiful names. And thou , be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between 17110

                                        notice, allah mentioned two names, Allah and Alrahmane, than he said the most beautiful names . I believe only two names are in the quran, Allah and AlRahman . pluriel can be two in the arabic language of the qquran, there are many cases , exemple

                                        If ye twain turn unto Allah repentant, (ye have cause to do so) for your hearts desired 664
                                        , qulub is pluriel even though he's talking about two persones, two hearts
                                        This rule been made by arabs academics after the quran came to existance, so this rule doesn't apply to the quran, because the Quran uses duality and pluriel different way in some cases , but other cases duality and pluriel are used the same way
                                        so Asmaa Allah Alhousna are Allah and AlRahmane , no more. all others are attributes, I didn't see any verse using any attribute and calling it a name of allah, there is only thse two names as you see in the verse above 17110

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                                          Lord
                                          a man who is a member of the nobility, powerful man a man who has considerable power, authority, or influence over others

                                          OK, brother, I was pretty sure you weren't committing shirk, but still, it's a loaded word in English with heavy religious overtones, so why not just say noble, powerful man in the future to avoid confusion? We always need to be very careful with language.

                                          @loxbox13 Thanks for the ayat compilation. Good work.

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