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    Mazhar is Right, the only name of Allah in the Quran is RAHMAN

    I copied most verses containing the name Rahman, i replaced the beneficient with the original name Rahman , and it sounds a personal name , the only personnel name, all others are attributes

    Thus We send thee unto a nation, before whom other nations have passed away, that thou mayst recite unto them that which We have inspired in thee, while they are disbelievers in AlRahman. Say He is my Lord; there is no God save Him. In Him do I put my trust and unto Him is my recourse 1330

    Say Cry unto Allah, or cry unto AlRahman, unto whichsoever ye cry . His are the most beautiful names. And thou , be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between 17110

    She said Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God-fearing 1718

    So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say Lo! I have vowed a fast unto AlRahman, and may not speak this day to any mortal 1926

    O my father! Serve not the devil. Lo! the devil is a rebel unto AlRahman1944

    my father! Lo! I fear lest a punishment from AlRahman overtake thee so that thou become a comrade of the devil 1945

    These are they unto whom Allah showed favour from among the prophets, of the seed of Adam and of those whom We carried (in the ship) with Noah, and of the seed of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom We guided and chose. When the revelations of AlRahman were recited unto them, they fell down, adoring and weeping 1858

    Gardens of Eden, which AlRahman hath promised to His slaves in the unseen. Lo! His promise is ever sure of fulfilment 1961

    And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell. (6 Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stubborn in rebellion to AlRahman 1969

    Say As for him who is in error, AlRahman will verily prolong his span of life until, when they behold that which they were promised, whether it be punishment (in the world), or the Hour (of doom), they will know who is worse in position and who is weaker as an army. 1975

    Hath he perused the Unseen, or hath he made a pact with AlRahman? 1978

    On the day when We shall gather the righteous unto AlRahman, a goodly company 1985

    They will have no power of intercession, save him who hath made a covenant with AlRahman. 1987

    And they say AlRahman hath taken unto Himself a son 1988

    That ye ascribe unto AlRahman a son,1991

    When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) AlRahman that He should choose a son 1992

    There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto AlRahman as a slave. 1993

    Lo! those who believe and do good works, AlRahman will appoint for them love. 1996

    AlRahman, Who is established on the Throne 205

    And Aaron indeed had told them beforehand O my people! Ye are but being seduced therewith, for lo! your Lord is AlRahman, so follow me and obey my order 2090

    On that day they follow the summoner who deceiveth not, and voices are hushed for AlRahman, and thou hearest but a faint murmur. 20108

    On that day no intercession availeth save (that of) him unto whom AlRahman hath given leave and whose word He accepteth 20109

    And they say AlRahman hath taken unto Himself a son. Be He glorified! Nay, but (those whom they call sons) are honoured slaves 2126

    And when those who disbelieve behold thee, they but choose thee out for mockery, (saying) Is this he who maketh mention of your gods? And they would deny all mention of AlRahman 2136

    Say Who guardeth you in the night or in the day from AlRahman? Nay, but they turn away from mention of their Lord! 2142

    He saith My Lord! Judge Thou with truth. Our Lord is AlRahman, Whose help is to be implored against that which ye ascribe 21112

    The Sovereignty on that day will be the True (Sovereignty) belonging to AlRahman, and it will be a hard day for disbelievers 2526

    Who created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six Days, then He mounted the Throne. AlRahman! Ask anyone informed concerning Him 2559

    And when it is said unto them Adore AlRahman! they say And what is the Beneficent? Are we to adore to whatever thou (Muhammad) biddest us? And it increaseth aversion in them 2560

    The (faithful) slaves of AlRahman are they who walk upon the earth modestly, and when the foolish ones address them answer Peace 2563

    Never cometh there unto them a fresh reminder from AlRahman, but they turn away from it. 265

    Thou warnest only him who followeth the Reminder and feareth AlRahman in secret. To him bear tidings of forgiveness and a rich reward 3611

    They said Ye are but mortals like unto us. AlRahman hath naught revealed. Ye do but lie! 3615

    Shall I take (other) gods in place of Him when, if AlRahman should wish me any harm, their intercession will avail me naught, nor can they save? 3623

    Crying Woe upon us! Who hath raised us from our place of sleep? This is that which the Beneficent did promise, and the messengers spoke truth 3652

    And if one of them hath tidings of that which he likeneth to the Beneficent One, his countenance becometh black and he is full of inward rage 4316

    And they make the angels, who are the slaves of AlRahman, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded and they will be questioned 4319

    And they say If the AlRahman had (so) willed, we should not have worshipped them. They have no knowledge whatsoever of that. They do but guess. 4320

    And were it not that mankind would have become one community, We might well have appointed, for those who disbelieve in AlRahman, roofs of silver for their houses and stairs (of silver) whereby to mount 4333

    And he whose sight is dim to the remembrance of AlRahman, We assign unto him a devil who becometh his comrade 4336

    And ask those of Our messengers whom We sent before thee Did We ever appoint gods to be worshipped beside AlRahman 4345

    Say If AlRahman hath a son, then, I shall be first among the worshippers 4381

    Who feareth AlRahman in secret and cometh with a contrite heart 5033

    (&#65279 (&#65279 (&#65279
    AlRahman (1) Hath made known the Qur'an. (2) He hath created man. (3) He hath taught him utterance 551-4

    He is The God, than Whom there is no other God, the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible. He is AlRahman, Merciful 5822

    Who hath created seven heavens in harmony. Thou (Muhammad) canst see no fault in AlRahman's creation; then look again Canst thou see any rifts? 673

    Have they not seen the birds above them spreading out their wings and closing them? Naught upholdeth them save AlRahman. Lo! He is Seer of all things 6719

    Or who is he that will be an army unto you to help you instead of AlRahman? The disbelievers are in naught but illusion 6720

    Say He is AlRahman. In Him we believe and in Him we put our trust. And ye will soon know who it is that is in error manifest 6729

    Lord of the heavens and the earth, and (all) that is between them, AlRahman with Whom none can converse 7837

    On the day when the angels and the Spirit stand arrayed, they speak not, saving him whom AlRahman alloweth and who speaketh right 7838

    All others attributes, are just attributes, some can be given to men, like, mumin, raouf , rahim, rouhama = rahim in pluriel = Halim , Aalim etc... some attributes can't be gien to humans, like mutakabir
    but the only names are allah wich in the divine or the god, like a position, and the personel name Al Rahman , or the Rahman
    maybe AmonRa is the Rahman , the god of the Egyptians, they kidnapped the history of Egypt between an elite heritage, so no one will know that the Egyptians kings were the messengers of Allah.

    we only know what they told us about the history of Egypt.

    The Rahman knows best

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      I'm confused by the concept of "Personal Name"..
      -What is "Personal Name"?
      -And who gives The God His "Personal Name"?
      -Can The God haves multiple (more than one) "Personal Names"?

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        Salaaman LB13,

        Mazhar is Right, the only name of Allah in the Quran is RAHMAN

        I copied most verses containing the name Rahman, i replaced the beneficient with the original name Rahman , and it sounds a personal name , the only personnel name, all others are attributes

        All others attributes, are just attributes, some can be given to men, like, mumin, raouf , rahim, rouhama = rahim in pluriel = Halim , Aalim etc... some attributes can't be gien to humans, like mutakabir
        but the only names are allah wich in the divine or the god, like a position, and the personel name Al Rahman , or the Rahman

        Attributes ???

        7180

        7180 And to Allah belong the most beautiful names, so call Him by them; and leave alone those who deviate His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.

        "Asmaa-a" is plural. There are many names of Allah.

        1965

        1965 The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know anything that is like Him?

        Without making it complicated, it is really easy to differentiate between the names of Allah and His attributes with "AL".

        Raheem = Attribute
        Al + Raheem = Name

        Khaliq = Attribute
        Al + Khaliq = Name

        Malik = Attribute
        Al + Malik = Name

        Rubb = Attribute

        Al + Rahmaan = Name

        This is how I understand.

        May Allah forgive us if we are wrong and correct us pr
        Mohammed M. Khan

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          Salaaman LB13,

          Attributes ???

          7180

          7180 And to Allah belong the most beautiful names, so call Him by them; and leave alone those who deviate His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.

          "Asmaa-a" is plural. There are many names of Allah.

          1965

          1965 The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know anything that is like Him?

          Without making it complicated, it is really easy to differentiate between the names of Allah and His attributes with "AL".

          Raheem = Attribute
          Al + Raheem = Name

          Khaliq = Attribute
          Al + Khaliq = Name

          Malik = Attribute
          Al + Malik = Name

          Rubb = Attribute

          Al + Rahmaan = Name

          This is how I understand.

          May Allah forgive us if we are wrong and correct us pr
          Mohammed M. Khan

          Salam brother khan

          Say Cry unto Allah, or cry unto AlRahman, unto whichsoever ye cry . His are the most beautiful names. And thou , be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between 17110

          notice, allah mentioned two names, Allah and Alrahmane, than he said the most beautiful names . I believe only two names are in the quran, Allah and AlRahman . pluriel can be two in the arabic language of the qquran, there are many cases , exemple

          If ye twain turn unto Allah repentant, (ye have cause to do so) for your hearts desired 664
          , qulub is pluriel even though he's talking about two persones, two hearts
          This rule been made by arabs academics after the quran came to existance, so this rule doesn't apply to the quran, because the Quran uses duality and pluriel different way in some cases , but other cases duality and pluriel are used the same way
          so Asmaa Allah Alhousna are Allah and AlRahmane , no more. all others are attributes, I didn't see any verse using any attribute and calling it a name of allah, there is only thse two names as you see in the verse above 17110

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            Lord
            a man who is a member of the nobility, powerful man a man who has considerable power, authority, or influence over others

            OK, brother, I was pretty sure you weren't committing shirk, but still, it's a loaded word in English with heavy religious overtones, so why not just say noble, powerful man in the future to avoid confusion? We always need to be very careful with language.

            @loxbox13 Thanks for the ayat compilation. Good work.

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              Salaaman LB13,

              Salam brother khan

              Say Cry unto Allah, or cry unto AlRahman, unto whichsoever ye cry . His are the most beautiful names. And thou , be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between 17110

              notice, allah mentioned two names, Allah and Alrahmane, than he said the most beautiful names . I believe only two names are in the quran, Allah and AlRahman . pluriel can be two in the arabic language of the qquran, there are many cases , exemple

              If ye twain turn unto Allah repentant, (ye have cause to do so) for your hearts desired 664
              , qulub is pluriel even though he's talking about two persones, two hearts

              You missed "Kuma" after "Quloob" brother. "Kuma" is referring to TWO. Same as in 37114-119

              37114
              37115
              37116
              37117
              37118
              37119

              37114 And indeed, We have given Our grace to Moses and Aaron.
              37115 And We saved them and their people from the great disaster.
              37116 And We supported them, so that they became the winners.
              37117 And We gave both the clear Book.
              37118 And We guided them to the straight path.
              37119 And We kept their history for those who came later.

              It talks about only two but the problem is in English "Them" and "Their".

              This rule been made by arabs academics after the quran came to existance, so this rule doesn't apply to the quran, because the Quran uses duality and pluriel different way in some cases , but other cases duality and pluriel are used the same way
              so Asmaa Allah Alhousna are Allah and AlRahmane , no more. all others are attributes, I didn't see any verse using any attribute and calling it a name of allah, there is only thse two names as you see in the verse above 17110

              5924

              5924 He is Allah; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Noble, the Wise.

              I believe that names should not be translated, the above aayat should be like "He is Allah; AlKaaliq, AlBaariu, AlMusawwairu, etc...

              May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
              Mohammed M. Khan

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                ?Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods being worshipped in Arabia at the time Mohammed rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities...Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this.? (G. J. O. Moshay, Who Is This Allah? (Dorchester House, Bucks, UK, 1994), pg. 13.

                mmkhan
                I would like to comment on your post but will be great full if you comment on this quote first.

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                  Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact.

                  What a stupid assertion!!

                  Qur'aan quotes it that they adopt other miscellaneous gods by imaginative names besides Allah, i.e. in addition to Him.

                  And when confronted they, the idol worshippers, name only Allah with reference to questions relating to creation etc.

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                    mmkhan
                    I would like to comment on your post but will be great full if you comment on this quote first.

                    Sorry Raaajah, no comments on that -X as I don't have any knowledge.

                    Mohammed M. Khan

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                      Sorry Raaajah, no comments on that Lips Sealed as I don't have any knowledge.

                      Mohammed M. Khan

                      then pray this often

                      http//www.everyayah.com/data/images_png/20_114.png

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                        I'm confused by the concept of "Personal Name"..
                        -What is "Personal Name"?
                        -And who gives The God His "Personal Name"?
                        -Can The God haves multiple (more than one) "Personal Names"?

                        The problem is the concept of the name Rahman, it is the only name special to allah and it is not used as an attribute
                        even Allah, it is used for shirk, Alihatakoum
                        but Rahman never beign used by any polytheist
                        it is a name that Mohamed Preached, and zoroastrians veiled it with hadiths inserting it with the attributes

                        Rahman means simply INFINITE MERCY
                        they kept mistranslating it because they think it'a an attribute, a thing Allah does, but they didn't think it's a desciption og the merciful, it means Ifinite mercy
                        Rahma ascending, Rahman

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                          Salaaman LB13,

                          You missed "Kuma" after "Quloob" brother. "Kuma" is referring to TWO. Same as in 37114-119

                          37114
                          37115
                          37116
                          37117
                          37118
                          37119

                          37114 And indeed, We have given Our grace to Moses and Aaron.
                          37115 And We saved them and their people from the great disaster.
                          37116 And We supported them, so that they became the winners.
                          37117 And We gave both the clear Book.
                          37118 And We guided them to the straight path.
                          37119 And We kept their history for those who came later.

                          It talks about only two but the problem is in English "Them" and "Their".

                          5924

                          5924 He is Allah; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Noble, the Wise.

                          I believe that names should not be translated, the above aayat should be like "He is Allah; AlKaaliq, AlBaariu, AlMusawwairu, etc...

                          May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
                          Mohammed M. Khan

                          I know about the grammar that it doesn't apply on the quran, there is conditions where two's are used in pluriel
                          exemple

                          5924

                          These are the attributes of Allah, now is Allah one of Asmaa Houssna or not ? in the sunnah and hadith it is not, Why Allah say

                          and mention Allah's name upon it, and observe your duty to Allah. 54

                          why does he say mention the name of Allah ? and he doesn't say , mention allah ? sounds to me tere is a specific nzme of Allah

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                            Just to add my 2 cents

                            Allah/The God whatever you call Him created all languages. I don't see the fascination of using arabic names/attributes when speaking about God especially if your native language isn't arabic.

                            The God tells us He has sent the message in different languages....it wouldn't make sense for God to favour ONE language over another. Language is a tool to deliver the message to us....He is above and beyond names peace

                            PEACE

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                              I know about the grammar that it doesn't apply on the quran, there is conditions where two's are used in pluriel
                              exemple

                              Sorry dear, both are sound plural.

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                                Sorry dear, both are sound plural.

                                yeah true, i get misled by the Yan Noon, and Waw Noon

                                I guess i have only this

                                Quulub is pluriel
                                Maa is dual

                                in the same word

                                it could be qalbakuma or qalbaykuma, but it is qulubakouma

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                                  Sorry dear, both are sound plural.

                                  Here also, it goes from dual to pluriel

                                  (&#65279

                                  If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; but if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up. It may be, if he divorced you (all) that Allah will give him in exchange Consorts better than you who submit (their wills) who believe who are devout who turn to Allah in repentance who worship (in humility) who travel (for faith) and fast previously married or virgins 334-5

                                  I believe there is a rule in the duality and pluriel in the quran that wasn't adopted in the arabic language, notice, something belong to them is told in a dual, and something done to them is told in a pluriel.. for arabic both are duality, no matter how they use it, the quran grammar is wider than the arabic grammar.

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                                    Prince

                                    just to add my 2 cents Wink
                                    Allah/The God whatever you call Him created all languages. I don't see the fascination of using arabic names/attributes when speaking about God especially if your native language isn't arabic.
                                    The God tells us He has sent the message in different languages....it wouldn't make sense for God to favour ONE language over another. Language is a tool to deliver the message to us....He is above and beyond names peace
                                    PEACE

                                    Allah sent messages in different languages, but the this the LAST one was in Arabic therefore Allah preferred it over other languages.

                                    while this language is Arabic, rich, clear, perspicuous, eloquent, distinct, void of indistinctness, capable of transporting the perception from one mind to a listener and reader in a manner that it generates in the recipient mind exactly the same neurological process of observation and interpretation and creates a true copy of that perception.

                                    Indeed We have sent that Book as Written Book/Qur'aan in Arabic language/clear, perspicuous, eloquent, distinct, free from admixture, void of indistinctness, apparent like the daybreak and divested of the froth
                                    so that you people may be able to save it in memory/reflect and differentiate ......

                                    Indeed We have made that Book as the Written Book/Qur'aan in Arabic language, so that you people may be able to save it in memory/reflect and differentiate [4303

                                    It is not that I am saying Quran should not be read or understood in any other language, but it is just to make the record straight.About 80% of the Muslims in this world cannot read, understand or speak Arabic.

                                    Had We sent down this Quran in a non-Arabic language, they would have said, "Why have its verses not been well expounded?" Could a non-Arabic Book be revealed to an Arabic speaking person?, say, "It is a guide and a cure for the believers. As for those who do not believe, they are deaf and blind. It is as though they had been called from a distant place".

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                                      then pray this often

                                      http//www.everyayah.com/data/images_png/20_114.png

                                      Thank you for the beautiful aayat. But what means "THEN" in your post, I did not understand and what is the relation it has with my previous post?

                                      May Allah increase us all in TRUE knowledge pr
                                      Mohammed M. Khan

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                                        Salaaman LB13,

                                        I know about the grammar that it doesn't apply on the quran, there is conditions where two's are used in pluriel
                                        exemple

                                        And still you gave the wrong references? They both above are dual bro. )

                                        5924

                                        These are the attributes of Allah,

                                        Attributes ??? Again ??? These are names brother, where are you? Just cool down and then read it. Look at me

                                        now is Allah one of Asmaa Houssna or not ? in the sunnah and hadith it is not, Why Allah say

                                        and mention Allah's name upon it, and observe your duty to Allah. 54

                                        why does he say mention the name of Allah ? and he doesn't say , mention allah ? sounds to me tere is a specific nzme of Allah

                                        ???

                                        Who told you that Allah is not the name? Is everything OK with you? hmm

                                        May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
                                        Mohammed M. Khan

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                                          now is Allah one of Asmaa Houssna or not ? in the sunnah and hadith it is not, Why Allah say

                                          and mention Allah's name upon it, and observe your duty to Allah. 54

                                          why does he say mention the name of Allah ? and he doesn't say , mention allah ? sounds to me tere is a specific nzme of Allah

                                          Who told you that Allah is not the name? Is everything OK with you?

                                          He is perhaps saying the same thing. The Name of Allah- and is that you mention, pronounce the Name of Allah.

                                          In contrast

                                          "And you people remember Allah".

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