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    quranist
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    Please comment

    6504.As for the women who have reached menopause, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months. And as for those whose menstruation has ceased by hysterectomy, and for those who are already pregnant, their interim is until their clinical/surgery/abortion/maternal parturition.

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      6504.As for the women who have reached menopause, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months. And as for those whose menstruation has ceased by hysterectomy, and for those who are already pregnant, their interim is until their clinical/surgery/abortion/maternal parturition.

      1. So who is the lord of you ?

      2. The ?SYSTEM? that constitutes every matter,its physical and chemical properties.

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        Layth
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        Salam Quranist,

        This thread is only for comments regarding the FM translation...

        Thanks.

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          Bender
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          salaam,

          I think 12 and 81 have the same constuction, but they are translated differently

          12
          FM translation 12 Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds.

          81
          FM translation 81 They ask you regarding the spoils of war, say "The spoils of war are for God and the messenger." So be aware of God, and be upright in matters between you; and obey God and His messenger if you are believers.

          I think the better translation for 12 is The praise ...

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            Alladin
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            Peace,

            Something tells me verse 244 is translated the wrong way. It is translated as this

            And those who accuse the independent females, then they do not bring forth four witnesses, you shall lash them with eighty lashes, and do not accept their testimony ever; and those are the wicked.

            I think it is wrong, because this verse actually is telling something about "yarmuna", which means throwing. So I think it is not talking about those who accuse, but those who throw away or drive away their women out their houses.

            You can also see that back in verse 651 where God says not to drive them away from their houses, except when they come with something clearly evil

            O you prophet, if any of you have divorced the women, then they should be divorced while ensuring that their required interim is fulfilled, and keep count of the interim. You shall reverence God your Lord, and do not evict them from their homes, nor should they leave, unless they commit an evident lewdness. And these are the boundaries of God. And anyone who transgresses the boundaries of God has wronged his soul. You never know; perhaps God will make something come out of this.

            O Prophet! When ye do divorce women, divorce them at their prescribed periods, and count (accurately), their prescribed periods And fear Allah your Lord and turn them not out of their houses, nor shall they (themselves) leave, except in case they are guilty of some open lewdness, those are limits set by Allah and any who transgresses the limits of Allah, does verily wrong his (own) soul thou knowest not if perchance Allah will bring about thereafter some new situation.

            O Prophet! when you divorce women, divorce them for~ their prescribed time, and calculate the number of the days prescribed, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, your Lord. Do not drive them out of their houses, nor should they themselves go forth, unless they commit an open indecency; and these are the limits of Allah, and whoever goes beyond the limits of Allah, he indeed does injustice to his own soul. You do not know that Allah may after that bring about reunion.

            I know that not the same words are used but they can both be something of the same context.

            Peace

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              Ozi_Kristi-lee
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              Salam, just wondering if u guys translated 1671 correct?
              "And God has preferred some of you over others in provision. So it is not for those who have been preferred to relinquish there provision to those who are maintained by their oaths...."

              Other translations make it clear that people are denying the Favour of God wen they do not give provisions, but your translation makes it seem the opposite. Below is an example how different it sounds from another translator ...

              "And Allah hath favored some of you above others in provision. Now those who are more favored will by no means hand over their provision to those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, so that they may be equal with them in respect thereof. Is it then the grace of Allah that they deny?"

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                Ozi_Kristi-lee
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                And 1242 is translated wrong. You guys wrote "He" instead of "he"
                "...But the devil made him forget to mention to his Lord, so He remained in prison for a few years."

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                  Alhassan
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                  I noticed in the English translation the chapters are numbered as against the traditional text that has names. Although you explained that the chapters in the original text were not named and that names were added probably for reference purposes (which is a noble objective), I would like to suggest chapter names be retained/reintroduced instead of the numbers as people are more familiar with the former.

                  Secondly, since the monotheist translation is only in English and not side by side with the Arabic text as in Yusuf Ali for example, it becomes difficult for readers who are not Arabic speaking to know exactly which Sura they are reading without having a copy of the Arabic text nearby. In view of that I think you should consider inserting the transliteration of the names of the various suras in place of the numbers.

                  May Allah help us.

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                    easternqibla
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                    In the two places in the Quran where it goes against the semi-Christian belief in three gods, you have mistakenly kept the translation of the simple word for the number three as being 'Trinity'

                    4171 O people of the Book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of God and the fulfillment of His word to Mary and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not say "Trinity." ...

                    573 Rejecters indeed are those who have said "God is a trinity!" ...

                    I have discussed that there were indeed tri-theists around at the time of Muhammad, which is why the word Trinity does not appear in the Quran, but only three and 'third of three'. Had Allah wanted to refer to the mainstream Christian doctrine of the Trinity, He would have done (along with a direct reference to the Holy Spirit in the trinitarian formula!).

                    Tri-theists mentioned here
                    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605042.0

                    Additionally, in 4171 "and the fulfillment of His word to Mary" is another example of not letting go of later Islamic thought. The word 'fulfillment' is not present in the Quran, the phrase should read

                    (417120)
                    wakalimatuhu
                    and His word

                    (417121)
                    alqh
                    which He conveyed

                    (417122)
                    il
                    to

                    (417123)
                    maryama

                    http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=4&verse=171#(41711)

                    Richard

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                      newrevert
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                      So the version of the quran i downloaded from here yesterday i will need to updatr once all the modifications are complete?

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                        mmkhan
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                        Salaam admins,

                        Please take a look at the translation of 2221 and make necessary corrections or amendments.

                        If you look at the Arabic words, both words are not same. One is tAnkihoo and other is tUnkihoo, so there must be a difference. The FM translation does not show any difference. Please take a look at other translations which shows the difference.

                        • tAnkihoo = Do not marry.
                        • tUnkihoo = Do not give in marriage.

                        This change is suggested by brother Abdul-Hadi, which can be seen here.

                        Thanks.
                        May Allah bless you pr
                        mmKhan

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                          Noon_waalqalami
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                          Salaam admins,

                          Please take a look at the translation of 2221 and make necessary corrections or amendments.

                          If you look at the Arabic words, both words are not same. One is tAnkihoo and other is tUnkihoo, so there must be a difference. The FM translation does not show any difference. Please take a look at other translations which shows the difference.

                          • tAnkihoo = Do not marry.
                          • tUnkihoo = Do not give in marriage.

                          This change is suggested by brother Abdul-Hadi, which can be seen here.

                          Thanks.
                          May Allah bless you pr
                          mmKhan

                          Peace mmKhan -- which part of the word is ?give??

                          (222114)
                          http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=4228

                          With dialectical marks on 2nd letter there may be a slight difference in recitation with respect to who is being addressed female/male otherwise same word and people are free to marry whom they like with a warning?

                          2221

                          Address to males?
                          and not thou marry yeh the idolatresses (f. plural) until believe and surely handmaiden (f. singular) believer better from idolatress (f. singular) and supposing liked her you

                          Address to females?
                          and not thou marry yeh the idolaters (m. plural) until believe they and servant (m. singular) believer better from idolater (m. singular) and supposing liked him you

                          Address to general ?
                          indeed those calling to the fire and the god invites to the garden/paradise and the forgiveness by permission his and makes clear signs/verses his to the humankind that may they those remembering

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                            Nazzam
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                            Salaam admins,

                            Please take a look at the translation of 2221 and make necessary corrections or amendments.

                            If you look at the Arabic words, both words are not same. One is tAnkihoo and other is tUnkihoo, so there must be a difference. The FM translation does not show any difference. Please take a look at other translations which shows the difference.

                            • tAnkihoo = Do not marry.
                            • tUnkihoo = Do not give in marriage.

                            This change is suggested by brother Abdul-Hadi, which can be seen here.

                            Thanks.
                            May Allah bless you pr
                            mmKhan

                            Active and passive.

                            Do not marry, laa tankihu

                            Do not let get married, laa tunkihu

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                              Novice
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                              As far as I could recall
                              Tankihoo is from Nakaha Form I verb means to marry
                              Tunkihoo is from Ankaha Form IV verb means to give in marriage

                              May Allah help us in understanding His book.

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                                Abdul-Hadi
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                                Greetings and Peace, all group

                                Current/proposed.

                                A few possible edits come to mind. Reasoning is provided by showing the same word in other verses.

                                6118 So eat from that on which the name of God has been mentioned , if you indeed believe in His revelations.

                                6118 So eat from that on which the name of GOD has been remembered , if you indeed believe in His revelations.

                                In 6118 and 2236, "mention/mentioned" is used instead of "remember/remembered". But 3135, 774, 7205 make should make it clear that the correct words are "remember/remembered".

                                3135 And those who, if they commit lewdness, or wrong themselves, they remember GOD and seek forgiveness for their sins. And who can forgive the sins except GOD? And they do not persist in what they have done while they know.

                                774 "And remember that He made you successors after 'Aad, and He established you in the land so that you make palaces on its plains, and you carve homes in the mountains. So remember the grace of GOD, and do not roam the earth as corrupters."

                                7205 And remember your Lord within yourself, in humility and in reverence; and without loudness in words, during the morning and the evening. And do not be of the careless ones.

                                2236 And the plump livestock, We have made them for you to be among the symbols of GOD; you will have benefit in them. So mention the name of GOD upon them in succession; then, once their sides have become still, you may eat from them and feed with them the poor and the needy. It was thus that We have made them in service to you, that you may be thankful.

                                2236 And the plump livestock, We have made them for you to be among the symbols of GOD; you will have benefit in them. So remember the name of GOD upon them in succession; then, once their sides have become still, you may eat from them and feed with them the poor and the needy. It was thus that We have made them in service to you, that you may be thankful.

                                7030 Except around their spouses or those maintained by their oaths, there is no blame.

                                7030 Except around their pairs or those maintained by their oaths, there is no blame.

                                In 7030, azwjihim is translated as spouses, but in 6143, the same word is translated as pairs. Spouses does not fit into 6143, but pairs fits into 7030.

                                6143 Eight in pairs from the lambs two, and from the goats two. Say "Is it the two males that He forbade or the two females, or what the wombs of the two females bore? Inform me if you are truthful!"

                                416 And the two men who commit it from among you, you shall trouble them. If they repent and amend , then leave them alone. GOD is Redeemer, Merciful.

                                416 And the two men who commit it from among you, you shall trouble them. If they repent and improve , then leave them alone. GOD is Redeemer, Merciful.

                                Amend and improve are synonymous choices for 416, but improve also fits better in 472. Relieves does not fit into 416; improve/improves is suggested instead of amend/relieves.

                                472 And those who believe and do good works, and believe in what was sent down to Mohammed, for it is the truth from their Lord, He cancels for them their sins, and relieves their concern.

                                472 And those who believe and do good works, and believe in what was sent down to Mohammed, for it is the truth from their Lord, He cancels for them their sins, and improves their concern.

                                ALLAH knows best.

                                peace

                                ~Abdul-Hadi

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                                  Abdul-Hadi
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                                  Greetings and Peace, all group

                                  2202 These will have a benefit for what they have earned; and GOD is swift in reckoning.

                                  2202 These will have a share for what they have earned; and GOD is swift in reckoning.

                                  In 2202, benefit is used instead of share as in 4220. This may dangerously change the meaning of the verse!

                                  4220 Whoever desires the harvest of the Hereafter, We will increase for him his harvest. And whoever seeks the harvest of this world, We will give him therefrom, and he will have no share in the Hereafter.

                                  ALLAH knows best.

                                  peace

                                  ~Abdul-Hadi

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                                    Abdul-Hadi
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                                    Greetings and Peace, all group

                                    ...

                                    In 7030, azwjihim is translated as spouses, but in 6143, the same word is translated as pairs. Spouses does not fit into 6143, but pairs fits into 7030.

                                    6143 Eight in pairs from the lambs two, and from the goats two. Say "Is it the two males that He forbade or the two females, or what the wombs of the two females bore? Inform me if you are truthful!"

                                    ...

                                    -[

                                    I made an accidental error in copypasta; the word in 6143 is NOT azwjihim but IS azwjin. Beg pardon for any confusion that this might have caused.

                                    peace

                                    ~Abdul-Hadi

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                                      NielsJacob
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                                      Peace

                                      Can the soul die?

                                      I see many times its translated as the death of the soul.
                                      for example 3/145, 3/185, 6/151, 9/85
                                      But is that possible?
                                      I see other translation use the term "human" or "life" in these cases.

                                      Or maybe use depart instead of die.

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                                        NielsJacob
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                                        Peace

                                        I have one more.

                                        I think there is a mistake in the Inheritance directions

                                        Its in 411. ......"If they are only females, two or more".... I think it has to be "if there are only female, more than two"

                                        I dont understand arabic at all, just it could be nice with a correct translation conserning the inheritage laws, since here there is a lot of confusing.
                                        Also some claiming that this law is with faults. I think it has to do with the translation.

                                        Maybe consult with Noon waalqalami concerning translation this vers. See http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604035.msg300735#msg300735

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                                          NielsJacob
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                                          Peace

                                          I see now that the changes has been made in the new version, regarding the two women +
                                          I used the one at http//www.quranix.net/

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