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Bismillahi I think it would be more accurate and appropriate to translate it to With God's name
http//haqeeqat.pk/02.%20Grammatical%20units/1.gif
These three words, a preposition, a common noun and a Proper Noun constitute the first grammatical unit . It comprises of a Prepositional Phrase + Possessive Phrase.
The first word comprising of a consonant and a vowel is Inseparable Preposition, meaning that it occurs prefixed with its object noun; in Arabic it is called . Prepositions render their object noun in genitive case. The preposition and its object noun constitute what is called a prepositional phrase, in Arabic grammar .
The prepositions used in the Divine Discourse help visually recognize the nouns, effortlessly. The preposition designates contiguity in its broadest sense. It has a wide range of uses including spatiotemporal, instrumental and manner adverbial. It is used for the following purposes
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For connectivity;
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For assistance; instrument
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For making a verb transitive;
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For an adverbial meaning;
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For accompaniment.
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For requital; and
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Extraneous; according to a rule for the negated predicate; also in interrogation.
The preposition is evidently for seeking assistance; This phrase in isolation literally means "recourse-beginning-activation-concomitance is with/by a name-code". Initiating a controlled process requires information. And the most fundamental fact about information is that it is itself preceded by the Prime Source Who is but the Living and holding Will. The Divine Discourse concatenates facts in perfect sequence and chronological order. Its first word vividly indicates at the outset about superb concatenation-consistence-contiguity and colligation in the contents of the Book in hand. This is the First scientific fact of the physical world. The creation and for created ones the initiation of the process of learning-knowledge is but the "code/name". The human memory and that of computer can save nothing without knowing or assigning a code/name to a thing-object-phenomenon.
http//haqeeqat.pk/1.BismilAllah.htm
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Salaam, I think this is a typo
Alteration instead of alternation.
Good detection.
Alteration refers to change in one thing. Alternation is the reciprocal succession of (normally two) things in time or place; the act of following and being followed by turns; alternate succession, performance, or occurrence; as, the alternation of day and night, cold and heat, summer and winter, hope and fear.
Verbal noun is also of Form-VIII. Its Root also has the primary signification
That it signifies the coming or happening of a thing after another thing rising and holding the position and status that was once held by the other one - alternation; secondly it is contra. of past referring future; and thirdly it signifies change.
Root http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(410).htm
And He the Exalted causes emergence of life in matter and causes death to alive.
And the alternation of the Night and the Day is for Him the Exalted to manage.
Is it for reason that you do not ponder?use intellect to differentiate?
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Good detection.
Alteration refers to change in one thing. Alternation is the reciprocal succession of (normally two) things in time or place; the act of following and being followed by turns; alternate succession, performance, or occurrence; as, the alternation of day and night, cold and heat, summer and winter, hope and fear.
Verbal noun is also of Form-VIII. Its Root also has the primary signification
That it signifies the coming or happening of a thing after another thing rising and holding the position and status that was once held by the other one - alternation; secondly it is contra. of past referring future; and thirdly it signifies change.
Root http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(410).htm
And He the Exalted causes emergence of life in matter and causes death to alive.
And the alternation of the Night and the Day is for Him the Exalted to manage.
Is it for reason that you do not ponder?use intellect to differentiate?
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Thanks for completing
I noticed it randomly.I want also to share a thought on nafs.
I think that, since its primary meaning is "soul", before translating it to "person" we should then consider if another meaning is possible in that context.
For exampleThey did not teach anyone until they would say "We are a test, so do not lose faith!" Thus they teach what can separate between a person and his mate; but they cannot harm anyone except with the permission of God.
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What if God meant another thing here?
This piece of the verse is usually understood to mean that they learnt how to separate a man and his wife, but what if what they learnt was to divide any living being from its mate?O people, be aware of your Lord who has created you from one person and He created from it its mate and sent forth from it many men and many women; and be aware of God whom you ask about, and the relatives. God is Watcher over you.
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And He is the One who initiated you from one person; with a place for stability and development. We have explained the signs to a people who understand.
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These verses are understood by sectarians to mean that Eve came from the rib of Adam... This translation does the same as most of the traditional translations.
But the verses could also mean that we were initiated from one living being, like a living cell, and from it God made its mate (by dividing the cell).Correct me if I am wrong in anything, since I don't speak arabic.
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Salam/Peace dear brother IsaMuslim. It's best of you check and study the root word of Nafs
Nun-Fa-Siin ( ) = was or became high in estimation, of high account or excellent, highly prized/precious/valuable and therefore desired with much emulation or much request, desired, it became loved or highly esteemed, console, cheer, envy.
Was or became avaricious/tenacious/niggardly of it because of its being in high estimation or excellent, little to much good.
Brought forth (e.g. gave birth to a child), menstruated, blood.
Clear away grief/anxiety/sorrow, ease/relieve, delay.
Breath, gust, drew breath, sigh, spoke long (due to regular intake of breath), become extended/long/increased, ability.
Soul/spirit, the vital principle, intellect/reason/mind, inner desire or feeling, knowledge, pride, self-magnification, a state where there is ample scope for action, 'willingly' when used as adverb, nafs - soul of discrimination (mental) and ruh - soul of breath (physical), oneself/itself, whole, essential constituent, reality, sometimes ghayb and nafs are synonymous, a person/being/individual, quantity, man, life, soul + body, life-blood, body, contention/thought/face/substance, heart, stomach, gulp, drought.
Brother or co-partner in faith/religion/relationship.
Wide space, distance, width.
Greatness, nobility, glory, scarcity, absoluteness, unseen, hidden reality which is beyond human perception, intention, requital, punishment.
nafs n.f. (pl. anfus and nufus) 29, 244, 248, 248, 254, 254, 257, 272, 284, 285, 287, 290, 2102, 2109, 2110, 2123, 2123, 2130, 2155, 2187, 2207, 2223, 2228, 2231, 2233, 2234, 2234, 2235, 2235, 2240, 2265, 2272, 2281, 2284, 2286, 325, 328, 330, 330, 361, 361, 369, 393, 3117, 3117, 3135, 3145, 3154, 3154, 3161, 3164, 3165, 3168, 3178, 3185, 3186, 41, 44, 429, 449, 463, 464, 465, 466, 479, 484, 495, 495, 497, 4107, 4110, 4111, 4113, 4128, 4135, 525, 530, 532, 532, 545, 552, 570, 580, 5105, 5116, 5116, 612, 612, 620, 624, 626, 654, 670, 693, 698, 6104, 6123, 6130, 6130, 6151, 6152, 6158, 6164, 79, 723, 737, 742, 753, 7160, 7172, 7177, 7188, 7189, 7192, 7197, 7205, 853, 872, 917, 920, 935, 936, 941, 942, 944, 955, 970, 981, 985, 988, 9111, 9118, 9120, 9120, 9128, 1015, 1023, 1030, 1044, 1049, 1054, 10100, 10108, 1121, 1131, 11101, 11105, 1218, 1223, 1226, 1230, 1232, 1251, 1251, 1253, 1254, 1268, 1277, 1283, 1311, 1316, 1333, 1342, 1422, 1445, 1451, 167, 1628, 1633, 1672, 1689, 16111, 16111, 16111, 16118, 177, 1714, 1715, 1725, 1733, 186, 1828, 1835, 1851, 1874, 1874, 2015, 2040, 2041, 2067, 2096, 2135, 2143, 2147, 2164, 21102, 2362, 23103, 246, 2412, 2461, 2461, 253, 2521, 2568, 263, 2714, 2740, 2744, 2792, 2816, 2819, 2833, 296, 2940, 2957, 308, 309, 3021, 3028, 3028, 3044, 3112, 3128, 3134, 3134, 3213, 3217, 3227, 336, 3337, 3350, 3419, 3450, 358, 3518, 3532, 3636, 3654, 37113, 396, 3915, 3941, 3942, 3953, 3956, 3970, 4010, 4017, 4131, 4146, 4153, 4211, 4245, 4371, 4515, 4522, 4738, 4810, 4911, 4915, 5016, 5021, 5121, 5323, 5332, 5714, 5722, 588, 599, 599, 5918, 5919, 6111, 6311, 6416, 6416, 651, 657, 666, 7320, 7438, 752, 7514, 7940, 817, 8114, 825, 8219, 8219, 864, 8927, 917tanaffasa vb. (5) perf. act. 8118
tanafasa vb. (6)
impf. act. 8326
pcple. act. 8326Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 80, 81, 82, 83 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=nfs
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Salam/Peace dear brother IsaMuslim. It's best of you check and study the root word of Nafs
Nun-Fa-Siin ( س = was or became high in estimation, of high account or excellent, highly prized/precious/valuable and therefore desired with much emulation or much request, desired, it became loved or highly esteemed, console, cheer, envy.
Was or became avaricious/tenacious/niggardly of it because of its being in high estimation or excellent, little to much good.
Brought forth (e.g. gave birth to a child), menstruated, blood.
Clear away grief/anxiety/sorrow, ease/relieve, delay.
Breath, gust, drew breath, sigh, spoke long (due to regular intake of breath), become extended/long/increased, ability.
Soul/spirit, the vital principle, intellect/reason/mind, inner desire or feeling, knowledge, pride, self-magnification, a state where there is ample scope for action, 'willingly' when used as adverb, nafs - soul of discrimination (mental) and ruh - soul of breath (physical), oneself/itself, whole, essential constituent, reality, sometimes ghayb and nafs are synonymous, a person/being/individual, quantity, man, life, soul + body, life-blood, body, contention/thought/face/substance, heart, stomach, gulp, drought.
Brother or co-partner in faith/religion/relationship.
Wide space, distance, width.
Greatness, nobility, glory, scarcity, absoluteness, unseen, hidden reality which is beyond human perception, intention, requital, punishment.
nafs n.f. (pl. anfus and nufus) 29, 244, 248, 248, 254, 254, 257, 272, 284, 285, 287, 290, 2102, 2109, 2110, 2123, 2123, 2130, 2155, 2187, 2207, 2223, 2228, 2231, 2233, 2234, 2234, 2235, 2235, 2240, 2265, 2272, 2281, 2284, 2286, 325, 328, 330, 330, 361, 361, 369, 393, 3117, 3117, 3135, 3145, 3154, 3154, 3161, 3164, 3165, 3168, 3178, 3185, 3186, 41, 44, 429, 449, 463, 464, 465, 466, 479, 484, 495, 495, 497, 4107, 4110, 4111, 4113, 4128, 4135, 525, 530, 532, 532, 545, 552, 570, 580, 5105, 5116, 5116, 612, 612, 620, 624, 626, 654, 670, 693, 698, 6104, 6123, 6130, 6130, 6151, 6152, 6158, 6164, 79, 723, 737, 742, 753, 7160, 7172, 7177, 7188, 7189, 7192, 7197, 7205, 853, 872, 917, 920, 935, 936, 941, 942, 944, 955, 970, 981, 985, 988, 9111, 9118, 9120, 9120, 9128, 1015, 1023, 1030, 1044, 1049, 1054, 10100, 10108, 1121, 1131, 11101, 11105, 1218, 1223, 1226, 1230, 1232, 1251, 1251, 1253, 1254, 1268, 1277, 1283, 1311, 1316, 1333, 1342, 1422, 1445, 1451, 167, 1628, 1633, 1672, 1689, 16111, 16111, 16111, 16118, 177, 1714, 1715, 1725, 1733, 186, 1828, 1835, 1851, 1874, 1874, 2015, 2040, 2041, 2067, 2096, 2135, 2143, 2147, 2164, 21102, 2362, 23103, 246, 2412, 2461, 2461, 253, 2521, 2568, 263, 2714, 2740, 2744, 2792, 2816, 2819, 2833, 296, 2940, 2957, 308, 309, 3021, 3028, 3028, 3044, 3112, 3128, 3134, 3134, 3213, 3217, 3227, 336, 3337, 3350, 3419, 3450, 358, 3518, 3532, 3636, 3654, 37113, 396, 3915, 3941, 3942, 3953, 3956, 3970, 4010, 4017, 4131, 4146, 4153, 4211, 4245, 4371, 4515, 4522, 4738, 4810, 4911, 4915, 5016, 5021, 5121, 5323, 5332, 5714, 5722, 588, 599, 599, 5918, 5919, 6111, 6311, 6416, 6416, 651, 657, 666, 7320, 7438, 752, 7514, 7940, 817, 8114, 825, 8219, 8219, 864, 8927, 917tanaffasa vb. (5) perf. act. 8118
tanafasa vb. (6)
impf. act. 8326
pcple. act. 8326Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 80, 81, 82, 83 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=nfs
Salam brother,
Sorry for replying only today.I see that the meaning of "Soul", which also carries the meaning of "life" is in the lexicon.
Also we have the followingQur'an 3185
Every soul will taste death
It is not only every person that will die, but every living being (animals, plants, ...).
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It is not only every person that will die, but every living being (animals, plants, ...).
Yes and they will return to Allah/God (SWTAY)
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WaAAanati alwujoohu lilhayyialqayyoomi waqad khaba man hamala thulman
And the faces shall be humbled for the Eternal, the Living. And whoever carried wickedness with him has failed.5526
Kullu man AAalayha fanin
Everyone upon it will fade away.5527
Wayabqa wajhu rabbika thooaljalali waal-ikrami
And the face of your Lord will remain; One with Majesty and Honor.4065
Huwa alhayyu la ilahailla huwa faodAAoohu mukhliseena lahu alddeenaalhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena
He is the Living; there is no god except He. So call on Him while devoting the system to Him. Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds.2135
Kullu nafsin tha-iqatu almawtiwanablookum bialshsharri waalkhayri fitnatanwa-ilayna turjaAAoona
Every soul will taste death. And We burden you with evil and good as a test, and it is TO US THAT YOU WILL RETURN.2957
Kullu nafsin tha-iqatu almawti thummailayna turjaAAoona
Every soul will taste death, then TO US YOU WILL BE RETURNEDRa-Jiim-Ayn = to return, turn back, turn off, (blame) upon any one, come back, repeat, answer, bring answer, be brought back. raji'un - one who returns. murji'un - return, termination. taraja'a (vb. 6) -to return to one another.
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Watawakkal AAala alhayyi allatheela yamootu wasabbih bihamdihi wakafabihi bithunoobi AAibadihi khabeeran
And put your trust in the Eternal Who does not die, and glorify His praise. It is enough for Him that He is expert in the sins of His servants. -
Salam/Peace everyone. I found a verse that i have noticed something.
5147 والسماء بنيناها باييد وانا لموسعون
Waalssamaa banaynahabi-aydin wa-inna lamoosiAAoona
And the heaven We constructed with resources, and We are expanding it.Now i checked the root for curiosity and i found this
Waw-Siin-Ayn = to be ample, take in, comprehend, embrace.
Wasi'a (prf. 3rd. m. sing.) Extended; Comprehended.
Wasi'at (prf 3rd. p. f sing.) Embraces.
Wasi'ta (prf 2nd. p. m. sing.) Thou comprehended.
Sa'atun (v. n.) Abundance; Amplitude; Bounty.
Waasi'un (act. pic. m. sing.) Bountiful; All-Pervading.
Al-Waasi'un one of the names of God.
Wasi'atun (act. pic. f. sing.) wide, spacious.
Muus'i (ap-der. m. sing. vb. IV) maker of the vast extant.
Wus'un (n.) capacity, scope.wasi'a vb. (1) perf. act. 2255, 680, 789, 7156, 2098, 407
n.vb. (1) 2247, 4100, 4130, 2422, 657, 657
n.vb. (2) 2233, 2286, 6152, 742, 2362
pcple. act. 2115, 2247, 2261, 2268, 373, 497, 4130, 554, 6147, 2432, 2956, 3910, 5332awsa'a vb. (4) pcple. act. 2236, 5147
Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 306, 307 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=ws3
The Arabic word lamûsi
ûna has a emphatic lām prefix & the word mûsiûna grammar's form is masculine plural form IV active nominative noun.I dont know if this is a mistranslation or not but someone with good Arabic knowledge can help me with this?
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Salam,
3952-53 needs correction.
3952 is missing something.3952
Do they not realize that God spreads the provision for whoever He chooses, and withholds? In that are signs for a people who believeIs the underlined correct in 3953?
3953
Say ?O My servants who transgressed against themselves, do not
despair of the mercy of God. For God forgives all sins. He is the
Forgiver, the Merciful.?Salam
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I wonder why we as muslims still use proper names such as moses, gabriel, pharaoh and so on.
Isn?t it clear from Quran that their names are Musa, Jibril and Firawn?
Please stop using names taken from other than Quran itself, especially from the books that had been twisted and edited by men.
May ALLAH forgive us.
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I depends on where you are with whom you are talking.
In an englishspeaking Forum it is ok to use Moses to stick with this example as this is whats the englishname is .When you know that you are debatting with a jew it is ok to use Moshe due to respect if you know they are muslims then Musa.
Dont think that People Twisted the names
My view
peace
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i dont think they are English name. they are taken from Old Testament (OT).
Since the current book of Old Testament has contradictions injected by human led by the devil itself, we should not consider it as a holy book. we should not take any information from it to add up or complete any information we got from Quran under any circumstances, since Quran already state that it is complete. no extra information regarding road of salvation is required.
those names from OT are causing us heavy problems due to
- that is the way they can smuggle the non existing character of Jesus to become Nabi Isa, so that many of us think Nabi Isa is Jesus and vice versa.
- that is the way they smuggle the idea of false long timeline of prophets from Nabi Nuh to Nabi Muhammad by changing the name of Nabi Yakub to Israel, so that we will think that Bani Israil is the descendant of Nabi Yakub.
i dont know if there are more evil agenda other than these 2, but these are already bad enough.
please stop using extra-quranic information when we talk about Quran.
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peace,
FM translation of 2217
They ask you about the sacred month "Is there fighting in it?" Say "MUCH FIGHTING IS IN IT, and to repel from the path of God and to disbelieve in it, and the Sacred Temple, to drive its inhabitants out from it is far greater with God, and persecution is worse than being killed." And they still will fight you until they turn you back from your system if they are able. And whoever of you turns back from his system, and he dies while disbelieving, then these have nullified their works in this world and the next; these are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide!
but this is correct imo ?...say "FIGHTING/KILLING IN IT (IS) BIG/GREAT, and prevention/obstruction from God's path and disbelief with(in) it, and the Masjid the Forbidden/Sacred, and bringing/forcing out its people from it (is) bigger/greater at God, and persecution (is) bigger/greater from the fighting/killing,...?
In this verse the derivatives of root K-B-R come 3 times, and it is clear that the 2nd and 3rd occasions signify a sinful action even though it is not mentioned directly, (i.e. bigger/greater crime/sin). So the first occasion can also interpret in the same way i.e. big/great sin/crime.
Thus fighting/killing in Al Shahr Al Haram is
- great sin
- preventing (people) from God's path
- equivalent to disbelieving in ASAH
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peace Mohamed, I agree with you. As a side note you may be interested to learn of the controversy surrounding translation of 2217 in traditional sources
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-al-haram-Quran.html analysis, and references this article.It is a rarely discussed issue.
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peace,
What is the difference between ism and alqaab?
FM translation of 4911 made both as the same!
I think ism = name and alqaab = insulting nickname(s)from 4911,
"...Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names; miserable indeed is the name of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does not repent, then these are the transgressors." -
I wonder why we as muslims still use proper names such as moses, gabriel, pharaoh and so on.
Isn?t it clear from Quran that their names are Musa, Jibril and Firawn?
Please stop using names taken from other than Quran itself, especially from the books that had been twisted and edited by men.
May ALLAH forgive us.
Those aren't their real names though. Moses is from Moshe which is a Hebrew version of his Egyptian name which is not known - supposed to be something like Meshitihu meaning to be pulled from the water. He wasn't called Musa in real life.
Isa spoke Aramaic so his name was something like Yeshuah or Yeshu Ha Notzri as he is in the Talmud. (Some people think Jesus is the english pronounciation of Yeshuah but Jesus is actually the anglicised version of the Greek sun god/messiah IESUS.)
Angels don't have a nationality or language so I suppose call them what you want but whats wrong with calling people by their real names.
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37112 And We gave him the good news of the coming of Isaac, a prophet from among the righteous.
Should be
And we gave him good news of Isaac a prophet from the righteous.red is not in the Arabic
Agreed. Out of curiosity, how do these types of errors make it into the translation? It seems straight forward that this shouldn't be there.
Edit I just seen the rules of no discussion in the additional posts on the first page. My apologies for asking the follow-up question.
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Salam,
Agreed. Out of curiosity, how do these types of errors make it into the translation? It seems straight forward that this shouldn't be there.
Thank you. The error has been fixed.
How do they get there? When you translate Arabic, the words give a meaning - sometimes more than just the words written - so, it is a matter of discipline and having checks/balances to make sure that only the words written are the words translated.
This translation has gone through just over a decade of fixes whenever they are noticed - so I would say its very refined.
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Salam aleykoum,
Your translation of verse
556 And the stars and the trees are yielding.
Translating l-najmu as "the stars" is a mistake in the context of this sura.
This word also refers to the notion of "stemless plant, grass, herb", which is more correct here.
Certainly, the term al-najm is a difficulty for commentators and translators is it "the star" or "the herbaceous plant" ? The star would be more appropriate in the context of the sun and the moon, quoted in the previous member (5); but what relation would the star have with the tree, which follows immediately in the same verse ? The grass, on the contrary, forms a homogeneous couple of plants with the tree, in parallel with the two stars, the sun and the moon.
God bless you.
