Theory of Evolution anyone ?

AlboDibran

While I do not believe POOF we were here. What is your claim that Adam didnt exist? That Adam was not in the Garden, that he didnt eat of the tree. that he wasnt banished to earth. from "wherever" he was. Dont get me wrong not challenging it. Just want it explained. It is a bold claim considering Quran does mention the garden and banihsment. Peace be upon you

Student_of_Allah

While I do not believe POOF we were here. What is your claim that Adam didnt exist? That Adam was not in the Garden, that he didnt eat of the tree. that he wasnt banished to earth. from "wherever" he was. Dont get me wrong not challenging it. Just want it explained. It is a bold claim considering Quran does mention the garden and banihsment. Peace be upon you

Salam,

Inshallah, explanation coming soon

PEACE

--------------------- Student of Allah

AlboDibran

Lol Inshallah. Salam

kgwithnob

While I do not believe POOF we were here. What is your claim that Adam didnt exist? That Adam was not in the Garden, that he didnt eat of the tree. that he wasnt banished to earth. from "wherever" he was. Dont get me wrong not challenging it. Just want it explained. It is a bold claim considering Quran does mention the garden and banihsment. Peace be upon you

Highlight above is from me.

According to The Qur?aan, Adam is not the first human. Adam and his people, i.e. other humans of his time were already living in the ?GARDEN?, i.e. in the trees, somewhere here on Earth, and I personally believe, the place was in east Africa, and probably at the slopes of Kilimanjaro, or somewhere like that. I am saying that, because, all evidences resulting from natural science, point to modern man, originated in east Africa.

Now lets contemplate verses of The Qur?aan and see What GOD Almighty is telling us regarding the issue.

1st GOD?S commandment regarding how we should study His creation. See verse 2920 below.

??Roam the Earth and observe how God started the creation??

Here, it is absolutely necessary to explore the Earth to learn how GOD started the creation.

2nd In verse 230 GOD informs the angels He is APPOINTING, NOT creating, a SUCCESSOR within the Earth, NOT anywhere else in the Universe.

The angels did not expect this event and questioned GOD?S decision on that, wondering why He is placing a NEW, corrupt and blood shedding creature within the Earth. One must ask why the angels asked such a question. Do they know the future events? Surly NOT! No one knows about the future but GOD, SWT, Himself. Here in fact, the angels are remembering the past, the previous generations of humans, and their behavior and that, this one wouldn?t be any different either.

Next. GOD informs them of their ignorance and challenges them on that regard. The angels confess accordingly and glorify GOD.

3rd After Adam, his wife, and the others that were living in the same habitat, ate from the forbidden tree and lost their outer protective garments, they became vulnerable against the elements and started suffering.

4th Consequently, they all had to get down the trees and the high elevations and migrate to lower land and warmer climates in order to suffer less and to survive. See verse 230 through 238 for clarification.

CONCLUSION
? Adam was not created instantly, he was the EVOLUTIONARY successor of his previous generations.
? Adam was not EXILED to EARTH from some other place in the Universe.

Peace,
Khalil

The_Dreamer

Proof GOD
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzcVu-CpzXQ

Proof Jinn
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwjC7dEMkDU

Proof Birds
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyEpjv2nAho

Feel free to uphold teachings of the ancients of evil spirits and boogeymen.
The Quran does not uphold the teachings of the ancients, so I cannot believe as you believe.
I believe Jinn are the race of humans that preceded Nasi.

Peace.

"And when it is said to them 'What is it that your Lord has sent down?' They say 'tales of the ancients!'" (1624)

I like your intimidation tactics. When your view of the Qur'an (largely based on speculation) is threatened you get very defensive. Can you explain those verses?

raginggaijin

"And when it is said to them 'What is it that your Lord has sent down?' They say 'tales of the ancients!'" (1624)

I like your intimidation tactics. When your view of the Qur'an (largely based on speculation) is threatened you get very defensive. Can you explain those verses?

You fear man so much you are intimidated when your own beliefs are questioned?
If you believe you are on the proper path, there is no fear or doubt as you have confirmed (saddaqat) the Truth and have proof for why you believe what you believe. You are not relying on the explanation of man to guide you.

I don't think you understand I don't care what you believe. I am only responsible for myself; what I do, what I say, and what I believe.

Go back and read what is posted in this thread and confirm if it is true or false. That's your responsibility, no one else can do that for you.

As stated, I cannot believe in the fairy tales of Judaism and Christianity, when they are clearly proven false in the Quran. Proof is given above. That is not 'getting defensive'. That is proving proof, as we are commanded to do in the Quran.

Bring your proof Surah 2111, 657, 842, 1410, 2124, 2764, 2875, 5238

You are free to pick apart my terminology, ignoring the warning in the Quran of following teachings of those who inherited the Books

"And We have sent down to thee the Book with the truth, confirming the Book that was before it, and assuring it. So judge between them according to what God has sent down, and do not follow their caprices, to forsake the truth that has come to thee. To every one of you We have appointed a right way and an open road. If God had willed, He would have made you one nation; but that He may try you in what has come to you. So be you forward in good works; unto God shall you return, all together; and He will tell you of that whereon you were at variance.
And judge between them according to what God has sent down, and do not follow their caprices, and beware of them lest they tempt thee away from any of what God has sent down to thee. But if they turn their backs, know that God desires only to smite them for some sin they have committed; surely, many men are ungodly.
Is it the judgment of pagandom then that they are seeking? Yet who is fairer in judgment than God, for a people having sure faith?" Surah 548-50

The disbelievers call them fairy-tales because they do not understand the revelation; they uphold superstition and teachings of man instead of asking Allah to guide and explain.

"Hast thou not regarded those who were given a share of the Book believing in demons (aljibti) and false gods, and saying to the unbelievers, 'These are more rightly guided on the way than the believers'?" Surah 451

If you believe I am wrong or misguided, then you should not feel intimidated. You should be able to bring proof from the Quran that refutes what I believe and dismiss me as ignorant.

Ask yourself why you feel intimidated, then choose accordingly.

Peace.

raginggaijin

I agree with you completely. Someone derailed the topic, and I think he did it on purpose. I hope I am wrong. God knows best.

Peace,
Khalil

Bring proof or keep silent, it's wiser.

"O believers, eschew much suspicion; some suspicion is a sin. And do not spy, neither backbite one another; would any of you like to eat the flesh of his brother dead? You would abominate it. And fear you God; assuredly God turns, and He is All-compassionate." Surah 4912

I seek refuge in Allah from being among the ignorant. Surah 267

Peace.

Abdul-Hadi

Salam,

Verily I say unto you all, I still do not see the point in your posts reflecting the topic of the thread.

Peace

--------------------------- Student of Allah

LOL, true.

THREADJACK!

peace

The_Dreamer

You fear man

And where did I imply this? )

so much you are intimidated when your own beliefs are questioned?

I never said I was intimidated. I said that you appear to use intimidation tactics - immediately jumping to the conclusion that I believe in tales of the ancients. And for what reason? I did not write anything! I did not state anything! All I quoted was the Qur'an but your reply was "Feel free to uphold teachings of the ancients of evil spirits and boogeymen."

If you believe I am wrong or misguided, then you should not feel intimidated.

Again, I do not feel intimidated. I feel that you use intimidation tactics.

You should be able to bring proof from the Quran that refutes what I believe and dismiss me as ignorant.

First off, I will not "dismiss" anyone as ignorant simply because they make a few errors in their understanding of the Qur'an. If they dismiss my evidence however... laugh

Second, I have brought my proof which you've failed to respond to. Please look at these verses

"And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind." (1527)

"And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke" (5515)

Jinn and men are of entirely different essence.

The_Dreamer

LOL, true.

THREADJACK!

peace

http//i55.tinypic.com/r0ovlv.jpg

laugh

raginggaijin

And where did I imply this? )

'Intimidation tactics'. People who are not fearful are not intimidated.

I never said I was intimidated. I said that you appear to use intimidation tactics - immediately jumping to the conclusion that I believe in tales of the ancients. And for what reason? I did not write anything! I did not state anything! All I quoted was the Qur'an but your reply was "Feel free to uphold teachings of the ancients of evil spirits and boogeymen."

Because your question was answered in my previous post. But I'll bite.

You believe Jinn are of a different 'essence'? Then what is this 'essence' if it is not aetherial - spirit? Are you saying they are 'Reptiliads' or 'Greys' or some-such being? What is this 'essence'? Speak clearly and bring proof from the Quran to support why you believe this.

If you uphold they are not part of human kind, then you run into a problem. Allah includes Jinn as part of the Nasi in Surah 1145-6.

"who whispers in the breasts of Nasi, of Jinn and Nasi.'" Surah 1145-6
"Allathee yuwaswisu fee sudoori alnnasi Mina aljinnati waalnnasi" Surah 1145-6

Jinn are Christians who accepted the Quran Surah 721-18
Jinn are Yahudians who accepted the Quran Surah 4629-30
Solomon?s Jinn in Quran Surah 2716-41, 3412-13
Solomon's Jinn in previous Books I Kings 513-17, II Chron. 217-18, II Chron. 44-6

Who were the people before the Nasi? Bring proof from the Quran to show why you believe what you believe.

Again, I do not feel intimidated. I feel that you use intimidation tactics.

And what am I going to do? Caps-lock you? P
If you do not believe you are misguided, then why would what I believe about you or say about you matter? You will not be called to account to me. You should be more concerned with what Allah knows about you, as you will be called to account with Him and Him alone.

First off, I will not "dismiss" anyone as ignorant simply because they make a few errors in their understanding of the Qur'an. If they dismiss my evidence however... laugh

When an answer to your question is posted before you even asked it, and you refuse to read it before you respond, I will dismiss you as ignorant. You didn't even read what was shown, you just posted ayats that were quoted and responded to before you asked your question.

You didn't study the material presented.

ig?no?rant

lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned an ignorant man.
lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact ignorant of quantum physics.
uninformed; unaware.

Second, I have brought my proof which you've failed to respond to.

Because the answer is in the post preceding your 'proof', preemptively answering your question. It's not my problem nor my responsibility if you refuse to read.

Please look at these verses

"And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind." (1527)

"And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke" (5515)

Jinn and men are of entirely different essence.

I'm bolding, underlining, and italicizing in your quote what you failed to see.

Here is a repost of the material previously presented, should you so choose to read it this time

The Jinn were created before the Nasi. You admitted this in your response on the other thread.

I also want you to note you are using the Arabic word for 'Jinn', but you translate (Nasi) into 'Man'. So already a deception is occurring. But we'll get to that.

Jinn were created before Nasi, which shows Nasi are successors of the Jinn. This is upheld in the Quran.

Successor (Khalif) Surah 230, 3170, 49, 6133, 6165, 717, 769, 774, 7142, 7150, 7169, 9118, 1014, 1073, 1092, 1311, 1959, 2128, 2276, 2762, 349, 3539, 369, 3645, 3826, 4114, 4125, 4142, 4360, 4621, 6715, 7227
?And when thy Lord said to the angels, 'I am setting in the earth a successor (khaleefatan).' They said, 'What, wilt Thou set therein one who will do corruption there, and shed blood, while We proclaim Thy praise and call Thee Holy?' He said, 'Assuredly I know that you know not.'? Surah 230

"What, do you wonder that a reminder from your Lord should come to you by the lips of a man from among you? That he may warn you; and remember when He appointed you as successors (khulafaa) after the people of Noah, and increased you in stature broadly; remember God's bounties; haply you will prosper.'" Surah 769

"And there succeeded (Fakhalafa) after them a succession (khalfun) who inherited the Book, taking the chance goods of this lower world, and saying, 'It will be forgiven us'; and if chance goods the like of them come to them, they will take them. Has not the compact of the Book been taken touching them, that they should say concerning God nothing but the truth? And they have studied what is in it; and the Last Abode is better for those who are godfearing. Do you not understand?" Surah 7169

"And to the three who were left behind (khullifoo), until, when the earth became strait for them, for all its breadth, and their souls became strait for them, and they thought that there was no shelter from God except in Him, then He turned towards them, that they might also turn; surely God turns, and is All-compassionate." Surah 9118

"Had We willed, We would have made angels among you successors (yakhlufoona) in the earth." Surah 4360

Allah states clearly Nasi are made from the seed of another people.

"Thy Lord is All-sufficient, Merciful. If He will, He can put you away, and leave after you, to succeed you (wayastakhlif), what He will, as He produced you from the seed (dhurriyyati) of another (kharna) people (qawmin)." Surah 6133

He even gives details how Adam (pbuh) was made.

?He is the Knower of the Unseen and the Visible, the All-mighty, the All-compassionate, Who has created all things well. And He originated the creation of humans (al-insani) of clay (min teenin), then He fashioned his descendant (naslahu) of an extraction (sulalatin) of low (maheenin) water (ma-in), then He shaped (sawwahu) him, and breathed His spirit (roohihi) in him. And He appointed for you hearing, and sight, and hearts; little thanks you show.? Surah 326-9

There is only one Nasi spoken of in the Quran who was shaped and had Allah's ruh breathed into him - Adam (pbuh) Surah 1529, 329, 3872

If all human beings sprung from the joining of one couple, Allah would not make distinction between the bloodline of the Prophets (pbut), as we all would be from the seed of Adam (pbuh).

(dhurriyyat&#299 offspring Surah 2124, 2128, 2266, 334, 336, 338, 49, 684, 687, 6133, 7172, 7173, 1083, 1338, 1437, 1440, 173, 1762, 1850, 1958, 2927, 3641, 3777, 37113, 4615, 5221, 5726
Seed of Adam Surah 333, 683-87, 7172, 172-3, 1958. 5726

?We have honoured the Children of Adam and carried them on land and sea, and provided them with good things, and preferred them greatly over many of those We created.? Surah 1770

"That is Our argument, which We bestowed upon Abraham as against his people. We raise up in degrees whom We will; surely thy Lord is All-wise, All-knowing.
And We gave to him Isaac and Jacob -- each one We guided, And Noah We guided before; and of his seed (dhurriyyatihi) David and Solomon, Job and Joseph, Moses and Aaron -- even so We recompense the good-doers -- Zachariah and John, Isa and Elias; each was of the righteous; Ishmael and Elisha, Jonah and Lot - each one We preferred above all beings; and of their fathers, and of their seed (wadhurriyytihim), and of their brethren (wa-ikh'wnihim); and We elected them, and We guided them to a straight path." Surah 683-87

"And We gave Moses the Book, and made it a guidance to the Children of Israel 'Take not unto yourselves any guardian apart from Me.' The seed (dhurriyyata) of those We bore with Noah; he was a thankful servant." Surah 172-3

"These are they whom God has blessed among the Prophets of the seed (dhurriyyati) of Adam, and of those We bore with Noah, and of the seed (dhurriyyati) of Abraham and Israel, and of those We guided and chose. When the signs of the All-merciful were recited to them, they fell down prostrate, weeping." Surah 1958

"And We sent Noah, and Abraham, and We appointed the Prophecy and the Book to be among their seed (dhurriyyatihim and some of them are guided, and many of them are ungodly." Surah 5726

The Jinn are human beings.

Jinn are Christians ? Byzantines ? who accepted the Quran Surah 721-18
Jinn are Yahudians ? Persians ? who accepted the Quran Surah 4629-30
Jew and Christian polytheists who lead astray Surah 2105, 2120, 2135, 2140, 367, 395, 3151, 3186, 582, 6106, 6137, 6161, 931-33, 10105, 16120, 2217, 981-6

Jinn are foreigners among Nasi Surah 6128-131, 2217, 3412-13, 738, 7179
'Ajam' ? ?Non-Arab? or ?Persian? Surah 16103, 4144, 26198
Roman-Persian wars Surah 302-4, 1051-5
Solomon?s Jinn in Quran Surah 2716-41, 3412-13
Solomon's Jinn in previous Books I Kings 513-17, II Chron. 217-18, II Chron. 44-6

But, but, but... They are made of SMOKELESS FIRE!!!!!!!111111111oneoneoneoneleventeen. (They are of another essence!)

The same people who uphold these superstitious beliefs are often among the many who point to the scientific miracles in the Quran.

One such miracle is Surah 2130

"Have not the unbelievers then beheld that the heavens and the earth were a mass all sewn up, and then We unstitched them and of water fashioned every living thing? Will they not believe?" Surah 2130

This is from the Arberry Quran, translated in 1950. The Yusuf Ali Quran, translated in the 1920s reads

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" Surah 2130

In 1978, the Nobel Prize was awarded for the theory of the Big Bang. This theory postulates that the universe was one mass - a monoblock - that was blown apart and sent out into the void.

Press release for 1978 Nobel Peace Prize
http//nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1978/press.html

"A theory developed by the American physicist Gamow and his associates suggested that this synthesis took place at the beginning of the existence of the universe. It is known from studies of the spectra of stars and galaxies that the universe is at present expanding uniformly. This means that at a certain point, 15 billion years ago, the universe was very compact; it is thus tempting to assume that the universe was created by a cosmic explosion, or 'big bang', although other explanations are possible. This 'big bang' theory implies the occurrence of very high temperatures, of about 10 billion degrees. Only at those temperatures can various nuclear reactions take place such that chemical elements could be built up from the elementary particles assumed to be present from the very beginning."

Here Scientists - the largest group of unbelievers I know of who cannot believe in something without proof - are showing how the components of all life and matter in the universe was created in this one Big Bang of intense heat and expansion.

Let's repeat that "This 'big bang' theory implies the occurrence of very high temperatures, of about 10 billion degrees."
This 'big bang' theory implies the occurrence of very high temperatures, of about 10 billion degrees.
This 'big bang' theory implies the occurrence of very high temperatures, of about 10 billion degrees.

(Note I even put this in large letters in my previous post, and still you responded with your 'essence' post.)

Jinn created before Nasi of a released, scorching fire Surah 1527, 5515
?And He created (Wakhalaqa) the jinn of (aljanna min) release (marijin) of fire (min narin).? Surah 5515
?and the jinn created We before of fire scorching (alssamoomi).? Surah 1527

While someone who upholds superstition sees evil fire creatures lurking in the aether, I see the intense heat of the Big Bang creating the components of all life itself.

You would think, if the Quran still speaks of the Jinn, there would be some way to know them from the Nasi. After all, Allah makes it clear in Surah 1145-6 that the Jinn are part of the Nasi

"Allathee yuwaswisu fee sudoori alnnasi Mina aljinnati waalnnasi" 1145-6
"who whispers in the breasts of nasi, of jinn and nasi.'" Surah 1145-6

If we are ALL Nasi, but there are still Jinn in and among the Nasi, there must be some indication of these Jinn that still remains if they are humans, right? If the Quran says it, then we should find some indication of it.

Neanderthal DNA still found in modern Homo Sapiens

Neanderthals, Humans Interbred?First Solid DNA Evidence
"The next time you're tempted to call some oaf a Neanderthal, you might want to take a look in the mirror.
According to a new DNA study, most humans have a little Neanderthal in them?at least 1 to 4 percent of a person's genetic makeup.
The study uncovered the first solid genetic evidence that "modern" humans?or Homo sapiens?interbred with their Neanderthal neighbors, who mysteriously died out about 30,000 years ago.
What's more, the Neanderthal-modern human mating apparently took place in the Middle East, shortly after modern humans had left Africa, not in Europe?as has long been suspected."

Read more http//news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100506-science-neanderthals-humans-mated-interbred-dna-gene/

Study Neanderthal DNA Lives On in Modern Humans
"Still, other paleoanthropologists say the discovery is not entirely unexpected. There is ample archaeological evidence ? including tools, habitation sites and fossils ? that Neanderthals and early modern humans may have coexisted in the Middle East as much as 80,000 years ago, and certainly in Europe 30,000 to 45,000 years ago. What has been missing until now is the genetic evidence.

"The fact that they found it across the board says that the evidence must be very widespread across modern humans," says Erik Trinkaus, an anthropologist at Washington University in St. Louis, Mo., who has long argued that the human fossils he has studied in France, Romania, the Czech Republic and other places show mixed ancestry. "If you can find evidence after 30,000 years of genetic shifting, then it must have been pretty important or prominent then." Trinkaus speculates that the genetic flow between Neanderthals and early modern humans might have been as high as 10% to 20%.
The new finding may prompt a tweaking of the well-known Out of Africa theory, which in its strictest interpretation says a small group of early modern humans left Africa and outcompeted and replaced all other hominids without any interbreeding. The alternate theory, known as multiregionalism, argues that distinct populations of modern humans developed simultaneously around the world and along the same evolutionary lines by swapping genes.
"What we falsify here is the very hard Out of Africa theory," said P??bo. "We show that outside Africa there is this 1% to 4% that came from archaic humans. Of course, it's totally possible that archaic forms that we don't know contributed to Africans today. I don't think we should take this as evidence that only people outside Africa have some 'caveman' biology within them."
According to Trinkaus, many paleoanthropologists have long believed that early modern humans and Neanderthals interbred. "People have been saying this for decades," he argues. "The minority position was the position that there was no gene flow. Most people who work with the fossil record support some level of admixture."

Whatever our mixing, it is human uniqueness that has also been revealed by the sequencing. By comparing the Neanderthal genome with those of modern humans, the team identified a small number of genetic changes that were newly evolved in modern humans. Some of the changes may have arisen as a result of genetic drift, but others seem to have been positively selected for ? meaning they swept through populations rapidly, possibly because they gave us some advantage."

Read more http//www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1987568-2,00.html

So we do find remnants of the Jinn - Neanderthal man - who was created before Homo Sapien man. We find this in the DNA of Homo Sapien - the Nasi.

So again, while you see different 'essences', I see the intense heat of the Big Bang creating the components of all life itself. All according to Allah's will.

"He said, 'Our Lord is He who gave everything its creation, then guided it.'" Surah 2050

So, after reading this, do you still not understand what I believe? If so, let me know.

If you do understand, then please bring proof to show why you believe what you believe. I look forward to reading it.

Had you read the post that preceded your question, you would not see my response as a tactic of 'intimidation' and instead the dismissal of one who refuses to pay attention.

Bring your proof.

Peace.

Student_of_Allah

Salam,

One of my pass time activity is to think of annoying robots. Recently, one of my cousin joined me in the thinking process to design various types of robots or automatons that would annoy people. One of our "thought project" is this pair of robots that fight each other with fancy martial arts and keep on seeking each other to fight. We were thinking about programming them to actually fix themselves or each other if it so happens that one of them suffers deadly battle damage. Just after they fix the damaged opponent, they immediately start fighting each other till one or both of them is destroyed. And the cycle goes on and on.

Why am I sharing this ??? Well, it is because I found my models in this thread. To write the programs for the robots, all I need is study some people from this thread.

Can I apologize on behalf of anyone that started the thread-jacking and take all the blame on myself and ask a moderator to delete my post for the thread-jacking of others ? We can actually make it more fun than this debate that is going on. You all can put all your blames on me. We will ask a moderator to keep on deleting my posts across the website. Then the administrator will order the deactivation of my account which will somehow re-activate 3days and 3 nights later ??? What do you say ? Wont that be off-topic enough ??

PEACE
-------------------------------------- Student of Allah

raginggaijin

Salam,

Why am I sharing this ??? Well, it is because I found my models in this thread. To write the programs for the robots, all I need is study some people from this thread.

PEACE
-------------------------------------- Student of Allah

I'm not following why you believe this discussion on Jinn is 'thread-jacking'?

People say Jinn are spirits, and I believe they are the ancestors that preceded the Nasi. I have given proof to show why I believe this.
If the Nasi are part of evolution, who were the people who they succeeded?

Totally on topic, if people would read what is given.
Makes me wonder why people are totally oblivious to what is shown. Like they can't see it. )

Regardless, I have given proof to show why I believe in Intervention and Intelligent Design Allah guided the creation.
People are welcome to believe in whatever they desire.

Peace.

The_Dreamer