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The Search for Muhammad has Ended

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    Mazhar
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    Mazhar, you seem to me to be very easy on criticism, and very shy on research and hard work...

    Do you feel satisfied to become a Saudi worshiper and a Mohammedan (submitting to the cult of the hadiths' unproven Mohammed story)

    instead of being a true Muslim as strictly defined by the Holy Quran? and derive your faith from The Quran as Allah enjoins you?

    How about you help Bro pazuzu and produce what you ask of him, the material is all there, and the hard work is done, you just need to classify it... at least then you will be in a better position to contribute and criticise...

    or do you just like to shoot from the hip, any bearer of news that do not fit into what your parents and mullahs have taught you?

    I know that people who do not have substance in their minds eventually have a very loud mouth.

    If you think that pazuzu has put some material worth consideration and that you have become enlightened and a scholar, okay, you pin down what has he said and his conclusions reached. Otherwise keep your mouth shut.

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      Samia
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      (Hence the word "Isra'a", which is derived from the root "srr", which means secret).

      Salaam Pazuzu

      This s completely wrong. "israa'" has a different root from "srr" and thus a different meaning.
      You already wrote "srr" with two r's. Israa' has only one "r"

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      The root for "israa'" is "sra" walk at night

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      The first verse of chapter 17 most probably concerns Musa not Muhammad. From verse 2 to verse 8 mentions Musa and tells part of his story with the Children of Israel in this context.

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        Mr_Q
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        #138

        Salam,

        Maybe everyone should go read 16125 and 1753.

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          Mazhar
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          #139

          The first verse of chapter 17 most probably concerns Musa not Muhammad. From verse 2 to verse 8 mentions Musa and tells part of his story with the Children of Israel in this context.

          Does an object of a preceding verb relate to an other object of subsequent different verb?

          Can a pronoun be used for a named person before he is named in the text?

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            Samia
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            Does an object of a preceding verb relate to an other object of subsequent different verb?

            Can a pronoun be used for a named person before he is named in the text?

            Where is this "preceding" pronoun?
            He is referred to in verse 1 as "abdihi, aka subject of God".
            The only pronoun in verse 1 refers to God Himself.

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              Mazhar
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              Where is this "preceding" pronoun?
              He is referred to in verse 1 as "abdihi, aka subject of God".
              The only pronoun in verse 1 refers to God Himself.

              That "abd" was shown something and here is pronoun for him

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                Samia
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                That "abd" was shown something and here is pronoun for him

                So you know that the second pronoun refers to "abd"?
                What's the problem then?
                When I said the only pronoun, I meant a pronoun that does no refer to a specific person as I understood from your post.

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                  Layth
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                  Salam,

                  I have put together a chronology of events from the Quran regarding the Children of Israel to establish both time-line and location of events.

                  http//free-minds.org/kingdom-israel

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                    Mazhar
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                    So you know that the second pronoun refers to "abd"?
                    What's the problem then?
                    When I said the only pronoun, I meant a pronoun that does no refer to a specific person as I understood from your post.

                    Thereby, you agree that this pronoun does not relate to Musa alahissalam.

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                      noble
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                      #145

                      Mazhar, nowadays anyone can claim to be a scholar after parrotting a couple of ayats from the Quran...

                      Do you claim to be a scholar Mazhar?

                      and who authorises you to tell me to shut up?

                      what you are doing is just pelting your frustration at people who say that which you do not agree with... and shower ad hominem on them...

                      in that context, you are far from earning respect or worth listening to...

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                        Noon_dhe_plume
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                        Peace,

                        Since this is all about Yemeni history, perhaps explain this and who was in charge back then?

                        http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/e_pre-islamic/fig04_sabaean_img.htm

                        http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/figs-stones/large/color_lg_jpeg/fig04_c_lg.jpg

                        (i)
                        Transliteration
                        b kh ya l / r h m n n / w m s ya h ha /
                        m l k n / a b r ha / z ya b m n / m l k / s b a / w z r ya d n / w h dh r m d t
                        Transcription
                        B'khail / ar-rahman / wmaseeha /
                        malikan / Abraha / Zaybm / malik /
                        sab'a / w zarydan / w hadarmaut
                        Translation
                        With the power (help) of god, and the Jesus (=Christian) King Abraha Zeebman (King's title), the King of Saba'a, Zuridan and Hadrmaut.

                        (ii)
                        w ya m n t / w r a a'in r b ha m r / ta w d m /
                        w t ha m t / s ta r w / z n / s ta r n / k gh z ya w
                        w yement / wa r'a rab hamw / Twadam / w thamat / satro / zn / satran / K'ghazow
                        and Yemen and the tribes (on)
                        the mountains and the coast wrote these lines on his battle

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                          IMHO
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                          #147

                          I know that people who do not have substance in their minds eventually have a very loud mouth.

                          If you think that pazuzu has put some material worth consideration and that you have become enlightened and a scholar, okay, you pin down what has he said and his conclusions reached. Otherwise keep your mouth shut.

                          Mazhar
                          & of loud mouth? In Saudi style you order people to shut their mouth but remember the truth will spread futher than this fourm insha'Allah sun

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                            Mazhar
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                            #148

                            Mazhar
                            & of loud mouth? In Saudi style you order people to shut their mouth but remember the truth will spread futher than this fourm insha'Allah sun

                            Haphazardly!!!

                            I am aware of your article and I am sorry to say it did not convice me as much as Pazuzu did, even if he did put his findings "haphazardly". OMHO

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                              IMHO
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                              #149

                              Haphazardly!!!

                              Yes!!!! Even if haphazadly the truth will shine forth sun
                              Byeeee

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                                Mazhar
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                                #150

                                And please keep in mind my prophecy of puzuzu's vanishing from the forum. Lies are only spread, not defended.

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                                  IMHO
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                                  #151

                                  And please keep in mind my prophecy of puzuzu's vanishing from the forum. Lies are only spread, not defended.

                                  OH NOOO NOT ANOTHER PROPHECY.... unless the Zionist Saudies are out to make sure he vanishes, but if he does another truth sayer will come in his place insha'Allah.
                                  Byeeeee

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                                    noble
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                                    There is a name for Mazhar on the world wide web blogosphere...

                                    people like him are called trolls...

                                    one should refrain from feeding them as they become bigger, more audacious and vicious in their comments...

                                    hence, I should ignore him, and save myself losing my intelligence responding to his provocative inane ramblings...

                                    a pity he quotes verses from the Quran in vanity and ignorance...

                                    may Allah guide him to better manners and knowledge...

                                    and my last prayers are all praise to Allah Master of the Worlds...

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                                      Samia
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                                      Thereby, you agree that this pronoun does not relate to Musa alahissalam.

                                      What?
                                      It relates to the subject of Allah whom He made to walk at night.
                                      The mention of Musa immediately afterwords shows he was meant by the term "Abd", unless you think that there's a "Abd" of Allah whom He made to walk at night and whom we know nothing about. In this case he is not Muhammad either..

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        But in that case first we have to locate Musa alahissalam in Masjid al Haram.

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                                          Samia
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                                          But in that case first we have to locate Musa alahissalam in Masjid al Haram.

                                          First you have to find what al masjid al haram is

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