"Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
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Is there any conclusive evidence from any ancient Egytian sources of a man named Yusuf who was a minister to a king Egypt during a seve-seven succession with great success.?
Is there any conclusive evidence of a Musa and a Harun and sister(s) who defied a paraoh and left Egypt with a big population and caused a great defeat and the death of said paraoh?
Is there any conclusive evidence of any such population of descendants of Yusuf and brothers at any time in Egypt?
Salaam
Salaam
NDP says he rejects the bible; ask HIM what evidence does he have, from the Qur'an, that the Jerusalem in Palestine housed the sacred Majid Aqsa, and who guided Omar ibn al Khattab to the sacred site?
Mazhar and NPD refuse to answer any questions; instead they question you demanding that you confirm what Pazuzu has already confirmed to them, and then they tell everyone else that they are fools to pay any attention to Pazuzu's posts unless they are his cronies ???. NDP ignored my last posts in "Who was the Pharoah of Moses" search thread, which clearly showed how wrong was been in his interpretation of the Qur'an and then he and Mazher started again in this thread; very immature behaviour.
It's the first time that I seriously followed Pazuzu's threads, and so far I have found him to be on solid grounds, but still I am reading his posts with a critical eye and would not hesitate to point out anything objectionable in my openion.
May Allah(swt) guide us to the right path.
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It's the first time that I seriously followed Pazuzu's threads, and so far I have found him to be on solid grounds, but still I am reading his post with a critical eye and would not hesitate to point out anything objectionable in my openion.
We may also be enlightened about the finding and solid grounds for that finding, in single lines.
1.Finding No. 1...............Solid ground
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Leave, because they are brought in under fake identities but is the same person, the author. That is why I asked let someone check the IPs. And check the list of posts that they have not contributed except clap signs. Noon, better not to waste the time.
Salaam Joker
This must be THE most ridiculous accusation ever! If I've understood it right Pazuzu is Lebanese and, as it turns out, I'm Swedish, so if we're indeed the same person that must be the most serious case ever of split personality. Please do check the IPs because you have me worried now! rotfl yay
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The thing is that I do not recollect that anybody has mentioned or quoted any reference whatsoever from ancient Egyptian sources giving any notice of those three things that I request in my messages.
If there were, in whatever extent there would be some confirmation of the bible story, which is taken as proof that what the Qur'an says is what is what we have assumed from the Bible.
Up to now the only evidence, if it is evidence of anyu concordance between the Qur'an and the Bible in regard to what Pazuzu has claimed in his messages is the amarna tablets. Those prove that there were in amarna some records of letters adressed to some king of Miis-ri. It is taken for granted that the Miisri, whatever the spelling was, is the same Misr alluded to in the Qur'an, and there is no other proof and a certain column which is of the same import.
However, there are other possible meanings for the Misr in the Qur'an and reasons to believe that other meanings might apply. So, suppose we say then we need further proof. Yes we need further proof for those stories of the bible or those stories brought up by Pazuzu.
I put forward some arguments for which I find reasonable in general the conclusions reached by Pazuzu that neither Egypt nor Palestine are immediately concerned by those narratives of the Qur'an assumed to concern the same stories narrated in the Bible.
By that till somebody brings better proof, I stand. The Qur'an is not subservient to the Bible. And the Qur'an makes much more sense in a general sense if we leave out Egypt and Palestine as the land of Yusuf, Musa and Solomon. If somebody finds certain unusual conclusions ridiculous, fine. I can live with that. The earth revolves around the sun was very ridiculous in its time, because it is obvious that it is the sun that revolves around the earth. And nobody believes today the official version of 11s, but I was insulted to boredom when I said that what that version purported was ridiculous when it happened.
It takes time for the sense of reality to drip.
So no name calling is going to convince anybody of anything. Just somewhere in ancient Egyptian history that uniquivocally relates the Egyptian side of Yusuf, Musa, Harun, exodus, etc.
Salaam
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Salaam Sis Huruf
I too have been asking the same questions, but how could they reply when there is ZERO evidence to back up their belief, so instead they resort to mocking everyone who has been convinced by Pazuzu's presentation. This is unworthy of a believer in God and the Qur'an.
Pazuzu has not finished his posts yet but what from what I can deduce from his posts so far; there is no evidence that Jerusealem in Palestine and Egypt of today have any authentication from the Quran.As for 9/11 on the day it happened I laughed at the coordination of the Sunni bunch nope In those days USA commanded enough respect that no one could believe they could do that to their own citizens, so I was mocked as well as warned and harrassed for going against the majority view.
Look at the consequences of accepting 9/11 story blindly http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBSk4-EhjwU&NR=1
part 8 of 11parts
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Peace all
Those who have been granted wisdom, insight, knowledge and faith in Allah's are indeed immensely fortunate...
When Arabs came to Mohammed saying they will do him a favour by believing and witnessing he was Allah's Prophet, an ayat came from Allah at lightning speed telling them that was not true... and that only Allah and the Believers knew Mohammed was Allah's Messenger...
he further told them instead to say we submit (and swear allegiance to Allah's Deen/System), and perchance Belief will later enter their hearts...The above is a lesson in humility... may we learn from it...
If one cannot appreciate the truth when it is presented to him/her, only Allah can open their eyes to it... let's not forget that most of us are brainwashed / hypnotised by the master of deceit, Satan... He does exist you know, and he is not human...
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Thanx for the remarks theNabster
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Excellent once again Paz!Sealed and Delivered.
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Request is repeated
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It's the first time that I seriously followed Pazuzu's threads, and so far I have found him to be on solid grounds, but still I am reading his post with a critical eye and would not hesitate to point out anything objectionable in my openion.We may also be enlightened about the finding and solid grounds for that finding, in single lines.
1.Finding No. 1...............Solid ground
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I now know why Zionists are desperate to find anything to prove their claims to Palestine.
King Solomon's Tablet Of Stone
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xlBI8ENkqkThis documentary exposed a ring of syndicate comprise of shrewd antiques businessman, Oded Golan and his associates from Israel, Palestine as well Egypt, with specialize role such as artist, scientist, archeologist and biblical scholar.
Even the top nerd scientiest and reknown professors are being fooled, by Oded Golan. The hero scientist in this programme is the "cowboy" archeologist Prof Yuval Goren.
full programme transcript here
http//www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/solomon_trans.shtmlProf Frankelstein made his opinion very clear that "nothing monumental" evidence available to support the existence of Temple of Solomon (as well Israel occupation) except "pottery shells and wall here and there maybe.."
What i learn from this video is that, archelogical evidence can be forged by the professionals. "Patina" (weathered layer of stones) of artifacts can be concocted in the workshop to fool of even top scientiest and scholars in this case. Only after rigorous "stone DNA" analysis conducted by Prof Yuval, the scam was exposed.
So we have to be careful on artifacts evidence presented in this forum all this while, as artifacts business is sophisticated, financially lucrative and politically appealling to interested parties.
Thanks to Abuamrrami.
Peace.
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Peace Bro pazuzu,
what is missing is
"who are the Misrim? what is their identity / lineage? are they semites i.e. Arabs / Children of Ibrahim? or are they from east africa?..."
have you decided to delay exposing their identity until you reveal other matters? i.e. Ibrahim's journey?
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There is an excellent book by the Israeli historian Shlomo Sand called ?the invention of the jewish people?, his conclusions were that exodus didn?t take place and the Romans didn?t expel the jews. http//www.amazon.ca/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322402921&sr=8-1
There is a Radio interview with Shlomo Sand
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjF6tOlNagk
He has a complete lecture by Shlomo Sand also http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EmvANgw9MkWithout serious excavations in Saudi Arabia the stories of the bible ( Solomon, David, Moses, Exodus.. etc) will remain a myth since there is no archeological evidence to support their existence in Palestine.
Isareli government is not happy with these University professors and the heads of Israeli antiquities authority, this why they wants to start interfering with the appointments of the antiquity authority
http//www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/scholars-slam-bill-to-change-makeup-of-israel-antiquities-authority-1.397918
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Salam Pazuzu, all,
I would like your view on the dead see scroll, you can find here http//dss.collections.imj.org.il/
I searched a lot about biblical hebrew (ancient hebrew or ), it is true that some parts of the O.T. are written in aramaic but still the main part is written in hebrew.I think personaly, that hebrew co-existed as some point with aramaic, syriac, arabic, etc.
A good introduction and research center can be found at this site
http//www.ancient-hebrew.org/2_bible.htmlwhere you can found the following
Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above; and set the door of the ark in its side; make it with lower, second, and third decks. (Genesis 616 - RSV)
The above translation seems very clear, concise and understandable. The reader would have no problem understanding the meaning of the text and assumes this translation adequately represents the original text. Behind this translation lies the Hebrew, which must be a translator's nightmare. Below is a literal rendering of the same verse according to the Hebrew.
?A light you do to an ark and to a cubit you complete it from to over it and a door of the ark in its side you put unders twenty and thirty you do.?
This is not an isolated case, but occurs continually throughout the Biblical texts. In order to assist the English reader, the translator has supplied words, phrases, and even whole sentences to enable the reader to understand the text. The reader is rarely aware of the difficulties in translating a certain passage and assumes the translator has accurately translated the text.
salam
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Now concerning Arabia, I will venture even further by saying this
Arabia is not only the craddle of Semitic races, and ancient civilizations, but the craddle of LIFE itself on this planet. The first human beings appeared there, near the "elbow" of the Arabian pennisula. And I will say this even to the face of those scientists who discovered 50,000 year-old skeletons in Ethiopia.
The problem is that the earth and soil of Arabia have not been excavated. The Saudis don't know what they are sitting on.
But I promise you that a day will come, perhaps in our lifetime, when the Surat Mountains of Arabia, their valleys, plains, and ancient river beds will be heard. They will spill forth their secrets concerning the origins of human life, and how our humanoid ancestors crawled out from egg shells (earth embryos) in the muddy swamps.
When Allah addressed Muhamad and his people by telling them
{Roam the land and observe how the creation was initiated. Thus Allah will establish the final creation. Allah is capable of all things}...
Allah knows full well what He is talking about, and what this land was that that He mentioned.
It wasn't Ethiopia.
Yemen is the origin of Judaism.
Peace...
This is all speculation though based on your feelings. There's no evidence at this moment to support this theory. At leats there is evidence that proves mankind started in Africa. I'm pretty sure the scientific community has pretty much agreed on that fact lol.
There's also evidence to support that Judaism started in Africa as well. Many of it's rites were practiced by the Africans in Ancient Kemet and Kush, in which the kingdom of Kush consisted of both modern day Ethiopia and Yemen.
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The scientific community has agreed many times through history on things that turned out to be wrong. So whatever anybody agrees on is no reason for anybody to stop searching and reasoning nd speculating, which is what those who previously agreed on something which turned out to be wrong really did, speculate. The fact that many agreed on any speculation doesn't make it true.
On the other hand to speculate that somewhere very big which has not been excavated may contain many things and surprises is rather reasonable. Not such great speculation. What would be surprising is if nothing is found.
The Qur'an does not support that nothing is to be found.
Salaam
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The scientific community has agreed many times through history on things that turned out to be wrong. So whatever anybody agrees on is no reason for anybody to stop searching and reasoning nd speculating, which is what those who previously agreed on something which turned out to be wrong really did, speculate. The fact that many agreed on any speculation doesn't make it true.
On the other hand to speculate that somewhere very big which has not been excavated may contain many things and surprises is rather reasonable. Not such great speculation. What would be surprising is if nothing is found.
The Qur'an does not support that nothing is to be found.
Salaam
To speculate is fine, but to state something in a way implying it is true without evidence is fitna.
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Peace,
the biggest fitna comes from those who disallow research to be carried out for fear of what can be found...
it happened with the catholic church, and it is now happening with "wahabi islam" and "zionist judaism"...
Has anybody done that? What I see is that people merely say what they feel might, which is normally what we all do. People expound their thoughts and ive their date and the readers can form their own opinion, but nobody is pretending anything. If at all, those who take things for granted give things as true, because they take as true. I do not think anybody is creating any fitna. It is mere exhcange of points of view.
Salaam
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Hi all,
can I have your input about "the promised land" as per Quran?
Mainly regarding verses from 521-26 and and 7137.My questions are
- did The God really "promised" a land to bani Israel?
- If yes was it just for that generation or for ever (all coming generations)?
Thanks
Thanks
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Hi all,
can I have your input about "the promised land" as per Quran?
Mainly regarding verses from 521-26 and and 7137.My questions are
- did The God really "promised" a land to bani Israel?
- If yes was it just for that generation or for ever (all coming generations)?
Thanks
Thanks
O my nation! you people enter into the land/city, that has since been rectified of faults, the one which Allah, the Exalted has ordained/written for you people,
does not mean written with lead pencil which could be erased by rubber.