"Hebrew", the Children of Israel, and the Semitic Migrations
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There is an excellent book by the Israeli historian Shlomo Sand called ?the invention of the jewish people?, his conclusions were that exodus didn?t take place and the Romans didn?t expel the jews. http//www.amazon.ca/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322402921&sr=8-1
There is a Radio interview with Shlomo Sand
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjF6tOlNagk
He has a complete lecture by Shlomo Sand also http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EmvANgw9MkWithout serious excavations in Saudi Arabia the stories of the bible ( Solomon, David, Moses, Exodus.. etc) will remain a myth since there is no archeological evidence to support their existence in Palestine.
Isareli government is not happy with these University professors and the heads of Israeli antiquities authority, this why they wants to start interfering with the appointments of the antiquity authority
http//www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/scholars-slam-bill-to-change-makeup-of-israel-antiquities-authority-1.397918
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Salam Pazuzu, all,
I would like your view on the dead see scroll, you can find here http//dss.collections.imj.org.il/
I searched a lot about biblical hebrew (ancient hebrew or ), it is true that some parts of the O.T. are written in aramaic but still the main part is written in hebrew.I think personaly, that hebrew co-existed as some point with aramaic, syriac, arabic, etc.
A good introduction and research center can be found at this site
http//www.ancient-hebrew.org/2_bible.htmlwhere you can found the following
Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above; and set the door of the ark in its side; make it with lower, second, and third decks. (Genesis 616 - RSV)
The above translation seems very clear, concise and understandable. The reader would have no problem understanding the meaning of the text and assumes this translation adequately represents the original text. Behind this translation lies the Hebrew, which must be a translator's nightmare. Below is a literal rendering of the same verse according to the Hebrew.
?A light you do to an ark and to a cubit you complete it from to over it and a door of the ark in its side you put unders twenty and thirty you do.?
This is not an isolated case, but occurs continually throughout the Biblical texts. In order to assist the English reader, the translator has supplied words, phrases, and even whole sentences to enable the reader to understand the text. The reader is rarely aware of the difficulties in translating a certain passage and assumes the translator has accurately translated the text.
salam
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Now concerning Arabia, I will venture even further by saying this
Arabia is not only the craddle of Semitic races, and ancient civilizations, but the craddle of LIFE itself on this planet. The first human beings appeared there, near the "elbow" of the Arabian pennisula. And I will say this even to the face of those scientists who discovered 50,000 year-old skeletons in Ethiopia.
The problem is that the earth and soil of Arabia have not been excavated. The Saudis don't know what they are sitting on.
But I promise you that a day will come, perhaps in our lifetime, when the Surat Mountains of Arabia, their valleys, plains, and ancient river beds will be heard. They will spill forth their secrets concerning the origins of human life, and how our humanoid ancestors crawled out from egg shells (earth embryos) in the muddy swamps.
When Allah addressed Muhamad and his people by telling them
{Roam the land and observe how the creation was initiated. Thus Allah will establish the final creation. Allah is capable of all things}...
Allah knows full well what He is talking about, and what this land was that that He mentioned.
It wasn't Ethiopia.
Yemen is the origin of Judaism.
Peace...
This is all speculation though based on your feelings. There's no evidence at this moment to support this theory. At leats there is evidence that proves mankind started in Africa. I'm pretty sure the scientific community has pretty much agreed on that fact lol.
There's also evidence to support that Judaism started in Africa as well. Many of it's rites were practiced by the Africans in Ancient Kemet and Kush, in which the kingdom of Kush consisted of both modern day Ethiopia and Yemen.
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The scientific community has agreed many times through history on things that turned out to be wrong. So whatever anybody agrees on is no reason for anybody to stop searching and reasoning nd speculating, which is what those who previously agreed on something which turned out to be wrong really did, speculate. The fact that many agreed on any speculation doesn't make it true.
On the other hand to speculate that somewhere very big which has not been excavated may contain many things and surprises is rather reasonable. Not such great speculation. What would be surprising is if nothing is found.
The Qur'an does not support that nothing is to be found.
Salaam
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The scientific community has agreed many times through history on things that turned out to be wrong. So whatever anybody agrees on is no reason for anybody to stop searching and reasoning nd speculating, which is what those who previously agreed on something which turned out to be wrong really did, speculate. The fact that many agreed on any speculation doesn't make it true.
On the other hand to speculate that somewhere very big which has not been excavated may contain many things and surprises is rather reasonable. Not such great speculation. What would be surprising is if nothing is found.
The Qur'an does not support that nothing is to be found.
Salaam
To speculate is fine, but to state something in a way implying it is true without evidence is fitna.
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Peace,
the biggest fitna comes from those who disallow research to be carried out for fear of what can be found...
it happened with the catholic church, and it is now happening with "wahabi islam" and "zionist judaism"...
Has anybody done that? What I see is that people merely say what they feel might, which is normally what we all do. People expound their thoughts and ive their date and the readers can form their own opinion, but nobody is pretending anything. If at all, those who take things for granted give things as true, because they take as true. I do not think anybody is creating any fitna. It is mere exhcange of points of view.
Salaam
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Hi all,
can I have your input about "the promised land" as per Quran?
Mainly regarding verses from 521-26 and and 7137.My questions are
- did The God really "promised" a land to bani Israel?
- If yes was it just for that generation or for ever (all coming generations)?
Thanks
Thanks
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Hi all,
can I have your input about "the promised land" as per Quran?
Mainly regarding verses from 521-26 and and 7137.My questions are
- did The God really "promised" a land to bani Israel?
- If yes was it just for that generation or for ever (all coming generations)?
Thanks
Thanks
O my nation! you people enter into the land/city, that has since been rectified of faults, the one which Allah, the Exalted has ordained/written for you people,
does not mean written with lead pencil which could be erased by rubber.
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O my nation! you people enter into the land/city, that has since been rectified of faults, the one which Allah, the Exalted has ordained/written for you people,
does not mean written with lead pencil which could be erased by rubber.
Salam,
so for you, yes people like Ariel Sharon, Shimon Perez, Golda Meyer, Ben Gorion etc... has the right to live and rule the Israel state as we know it now, because it has been written by The God for them?
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Salam,
so for you, yes people like Ariel Sharon, Shimon Perez, Golda Meyer, Ben Gorion etc... has the right to live and rule the Israel state as we know it now, because it has been written by The God for them?
When Allah, the Exalted not only recognizes them as a distinctly identified nation, but also indicates that they will survive till the Last Day, what is the problem with the rest of world not to recognize them as nation and accept their right to have a land/country to live therein according to their will and choice?
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When Allah, the Exalted not only recognizes them as a distinctly identified nation, but also indicates that they will survive till the Last Day, what is the problem with the rest of world not to recognize them as nation and accept their right to have a land/country to live therein according to their will and choice?
Sure, sure, and also god gave them licence to kill steal lie and do whatever anything in order to have that particular piece of land which the British empire thought good for its imperial purposese.
Gor God's sake, Mazhar, this is beyonn idiotic. I hope you are just joking, because if that is the way you think I am afraid I will be unable to take you seriously ever. What you have written is circus, and most certainly not Qur'an.
On the other hand it sees that god as real estate agent is really making inroads into opinions traffic.
Or may be we are really infiltrated by zionnists and imperial agents to the brim. Hoy utterly ridiculous.
Salaam
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Or may be we are really infiltrated by zionnists and imperial agents to the brim. Hoy utterly ridiculous.
Salaam
Salaam Huruf
What do you expect from someone who supports Saudies and their policies handshake with Israel Most Whispered Secret
http//www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/25/the-doenmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret-part-i.html -
Quote from Mazhar on Today at 123222 PM
When Allah, the Exalted not only recognizes them as a distinctly identified nation, but also indicates that they will survive till the Last Day, what is the problem with the rest of world not to recognize them as nation and accept their right to have a land/country to live therein according to their will and choice?Sure, sure, and also god gave them licence to kill steal lie and do whatever anything in order to have that particular piece of land which the British empire thought good for its imperial purposese.
Gor God's sake, Mazhar, this is beyonn idiotic. I hope you are just joking, because if that is the way you think I am afraid I will be unable to take you seriously ever. What you have written is circus, and most certainly not Qur'an.
On the other hand it sees that god as real estate agent is really making inroads into opinions traffic.
Or may be we are really infiltrated by zionnists and imperial agents to the brim. Hoy utterly ridiculous.
Salaam
Serious readers of Qur'aan will not take it as joke. Allah, the Exalted addresses them with Particle of Address. Qur'aan is perpetuated and will remain till Last Day. So Bani Israel is going to exist till the last day, nothwithstanding what they keep doing in the Earth. Let them "enjoy" for a while
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80-90% of jews today are Ashkenazi jews , most probably from Khazaria according to Israeli historian Shlomo Sand.
How do you explain the existence of millions of jews in eastern Europe ( Lithuania, Ukraine, Poland.. etc) and also Germany, they spoke Yiddish language, they have no connection whatsoever to the Israelites
Also keep in mind that Mezrahi jews are humiliated today in Israel, http//socyberty.com/history/stories-of-the-stolen-jewish-yemeni-children/
When Allah, the Exalted not only recognizes them as a distinctly identified nation, but also indicates that they will survive till the Last Day, what is the problem with the rest of world not to recognize them as nation and accept their right to have a land/country to live therein according to their will and choice?
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When Allah, the Exalted not only recognizes them as a distinctly identified nation, but also indicates that they will survive till the Last Day, what is the problem with the rest of world not to recognize them as nation and accept their right to have a land/country to live therein according to their will and choice?
Peace Mazhar,
I recall everybody to just comment on the verses, let not passion overtake on the subject.
you say "but also indicates that they will survive till the Last Day", can you please provide the verses where it is mentionned?
In the Quran we are given examples and the story of Moses and the bani Israel is an example
1- The bani Israel were persecuted by Far3awn
2- The God promised to deliver them from the persecution if they follow The God's commands and their messengers (Moses and Aaron)
7128-129Said Moses to his people "Pray for help from Allah and (wait) in patience and constancy for the earth is Allah's to give as a heritage to such of His servants as He pleaseth; and the end is (best) for the righteous.
They said "We have had (nothing but) trouble, both before and after thou camest to us." He said "It may be that your Lord will destroy your enemy and make you inheritors in the earth; that so He may try you by your deeds."
As I underlined here you see it is only for the righteous!
3- The God delivered them from Far3awn and make them inherit eastern and western part of the land of Far3awn
7137And We made a people, considered weak (and of no account), inheritors of lands in both East and West lands whereon We sent down Our blessings. The fair promise of thy Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel, because they had patience and constancy, and We levelled to the ground the great works and fine buildings which Pharaoh and his people erected (with such pride).
comment again the weakest has inherited the land
4- Now the story goes on in 521-26, the bani Israel refuse The God's command and they fall then in the group of the loosers
and the land is forbiden for them for 40 years (1 generation)!!!!!Conclusion
The land was promised for the persecuted ( ) from Far3awn , an other group of the bani israel (َ were forbiden the land ( َ for 40 years (1 generation) because of their behaviour (refuse fighting when the command arrive as per 2216 and 2246). This is clearly in synchronisation with the natural law of The God, you are persecuted you have the right and obligation to fight, if you win you own the land!!!
So the next generation has the right to come back to the the land according to the rules of the citizen of such a land, YOU DO NOT EJECT THEM FROM THEIR HOUSES as per 284!!!!Peace
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you say "but also indicates that they will survive till the Last Day", can you please provide the verses where it is mentionned?
Is Qur'aan expected to stay for ever till Last Day?
If yes, Bani Israel is to live and exist till last day, since they are called by name with Harf Nida, inviting them to believe in Qur'aan.
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Is Qur'aan expected to stay for ever till Last Day?
If yes, Bani Israel is to live and exist till last day, since they are called by name with Harf Nida, inviting them to believe in Qur'aan.
but in 519 (same context) they are invited to follow the last messenger
O people of the Book! now hath come unto you, making (things) clear unto you, Our Messenger after the break in (the series of) Our Messengers, lest ye should say there came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil) but now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner (from evil) and Allah hath power over all things.
we can see also in 7157 that they have to follow the new messenger and deliver them from their previous restrictions
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures); in the Law and the Gospel; for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him honour, him, help him, and follow the Light which is sent down with him it is they who will prosper."
peace