Can we pray for our christian friends?
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I have a friend. She is looking after the property were I live. I am not an actual friend like someone to go out with or that. But she has helped me so much and is planing on giving me suport with bringing me stuff to hospital if the psychiatrists lock me up(I sugest you read in the health and fitness section my post were I talk about how God helped me with getting rid of schizophrenia).
So, she is ad good as gold. Now she is a catholic and she knows I am a Muslim who follows only the Quran. She says that she is a modern catholic women.
Now I really feel Like praying to God so that he would guide her in life but am not sure what would Quran say to that. I know that you are not supose to pray for polytheists and Catholics do have their saint thing that they are big on.
So, yeah can we pray for Catholics and other Christians, also can we pray for atheists who have helped us in life? Pray to God to guide them to himself.
Thanks
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Greetings and Peace, all group
@Ervin Per my understanding, there is no harm in asking for Guidance.
604 There has been a good example set for you by Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people "We are innocent from you and what you serve besides GOD. We have rejected you, and it appears that there shall be animosity and hatred between us and you until you believe in GOD alone." Except for the saying of Abraham to his father "I will ask forgiveness for you, but I do not possess any power to protect you from GOD." "Our Lord, we have put our trust in You, and we turn to You, and to You is the final destiny."
From my understanding, we are NOT supposed to ask for forgiveness for another--but asking ALLAH to help another (if ALLAH knows it to be best) seems to be acceptable.
Maybe ALLAH will provide an opening for you to peacefully and politely discuss belief. In such a case, starting by talking about Abraham (peace upon all prophets) may be fruitful, ISA.
ALLAH knows best. May ALLAH see fit to guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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I frequently pray for everybody. Everybody, everything belongs to God, is his deed, so how could we not pray for what is His, just like us? I pray for His will be done and that we may accept it?
I pray with His names to shower His blessing as He sees fit. And in special circumstances I ask for more particulr things, but above all that whatever may be, He guide us to accept it and forgive us. Who that "us" is is instictive, and I suppose it includes those who want to be forgiven.
Salaam
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I frequently pray for everybody. Everybody, everything belongs to God, is his deed, so how could we not pray for what is His, just like us? I pray for His will be done and that we may accept it?
I pray with His names to shower His blessing as He sees fit. And in special circumstances I ask for more particulr things, but above all that whatever may be, He guide us to accept it and forgive us. Who that "us" is is instictive, and I suppose it includes those who want to be forgiven.
SalaamPeace Huruf! peace
What you just stated is Very Well put!
I also pray for others as well, and most of the times, it's people who i don't know. God Created ALL people, they're His Creations, whether Bad of Good!
We are blessed of the belief in God Almighty, and so it should be incompetant upon us to "Bless" the world i should say, because some people are not fortunate enough to have that knowledge!
Furthuremore, God's Mercy is Closer to those who are nice, and the Divine Law is that Those who show Goodness, Goodness will be shown to them, and so praying for others is a nice thing!See God's System of Righteousness (God's System of Reward for the Rightous)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602900
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Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Book stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin good and forbid wrong; and they hasten in good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are God fearing. 3113-115
And there are, certainly, among the people of the Book, those who believe in God and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before God. They do not sell the Verses of God for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, God is Swift in account. 3199
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . 262
If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them 4.124
Christians and Jews are monotheist. So I am not sure why the question about praying for them. The criteria the koran uses is faith in God and the hereafter. The Koran is non sectarian.
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So, yeah can we pray for Catholics and other Christians, also can we pray for atheists who have helped us in life? Pray to God to guide them to himself.
No you cannot!! If you do you shall become an apostate!! And hell for all eternity!!
Ok kidding aside.. yes of course.. why not... pray for anyone and/or anything....
Salam / Peace
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Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Book stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin good and forbid wrong; and they hasten in good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are God fearing. 3113-115
And there are, certainly, among the people of the Book, those who believe in God and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before God. They do not sell the Verses of God for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, God is Swift in account. 3199
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . 262
If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them 4.124
Christians and Jews are monotheist. So I am not sure why the question about praying for them. The criteria the koran uses is faith in God and the hereafter. The Koran is non sectarian.
Peace bigmo and everyone else. Couldn't you say that if Catholics who pray to or through the saints are going to be ok if they do deeds of righteousness that then the sunnis, sufis and others who do deeds of righteousness will be successful in the hearafter.
Thanks
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Why would you want to pray for someone who Allah purposely misguided? Do you doubt his wisdom? Have you not read the story of the prophet Noah ?
1142 And while it was running with them in waves like mountains, Noah called to his son, who was in an isolated place "My son, ride with us, and do not be with the rejecters!"
1143 He said "I will take refuge to the mountain which will protect me from the water." He said "There is no protection from the decree of God except for those He has granted mercy." And the wave came between them, so he was one of those who drowned.
1144 And it was said "O land, swallow your water, and O sky, cease." And the water was diminished, and the matter concluded. And it came to rest on the Judi, and it was said "Away with the wicked people."
1145 And Noah called on his Lord, and he said "My Lord, my son is from my family, and your promise is the truth, and you are the Wisest of all Judges."
1146 He said "O Noah, he is not from your family, he was of an unrighteous deed, so do not ask what you have no knowledge of. I advise you not to be of the ignorant."
1147 He said "My Lord, I seek refuge with You from asking You what I do not have knowledge of. And if You do not forgive me and have mercy on me, I will be of the losers!"It is your choice.
I also pray for others as well, and most of the times, it's people who i don't know. God Created ALL people, they're His Creations, whether Bad of Good!
So because Allah created everyone, we should pray for their salvation? Thus it means, that you also pray for the forgiveness and guidance of Satan, right ? You are indeed, a proved devil.
Christians and Jews are monotheist. So I am not sure why the question about praying for them. The criteria the koran uses is faith in God and the hereafter. The Koran is non sectarian.
When you do know something, it is best if you abstain from spreading lies and things you are not sure of. Christians are polytheists who adhere to a fully corrupted Bible, the 'Nasara' spoken of in the Qu'ran are the Nazarites and NOT the Christians.
Peace bigmo and everyone else. Couldn't you say that if Catholics who pray to or through the saints are going to be ok if they do deeds of righteousness that then the sunnis, sufis and others who do deeds of righteousness will be successful in the hearafter.
Thanks
It goes against logic to say that a Catholic is going to Paradise if he/she does good deeds. It is similar to say that a Sunni will go to Paradise if he/she does good deeds. Catholics are big polytheists, people who have been purposely lost and blinded by Allah because of what their hands have done. It does not matter how much good things they do or did, they will abide in Hell forever.
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Why would you want to pray for someone who Allah purposely misguided? Do you doubt his wisdom? Have you not read the story of the prophet Noah ?
It is your choice.
So because Allah created everyone, we should pray for their salvation? Thus it means, that you also pray for the forgiveness and guidance of Satan, right ? You are indeed, a proved devil.
When you do know something, it is best if you abstain from spreading lies and things you are not sure of. Christians are polytheists who adhere to a fully corrupted Bible, the 'Nasara' spoken of in the Qu'ran are the Nazarites and NOT the Christians.
It goes against logic to say that a Catholic is going to Paradise if he/she does good deeds. It is similar to say that a Sunni will go to Paradise if he/she does good deeds. Catholics are big polytheists, people who have been purposely lost and blinded by Allah because of what their hands have done. It does not matter how much good things they do or did, they will abide in Hell forever.
The problem with many new Koranist who come from a Sunni/Shia background is that they still have many aspects of sectarian Islam in them. They don't understand that it takes some time before the Sunni/Shia influence fades from them. They talk in many ways just like a salafi does. They come from a background where kufr, haram and shirk are used generously and they assume that the Koran sees it that way when in reality it does not.
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As if praying has any kind of effect at all. I'd do some push-ups if I was you
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The problem with many new Koranist who come from a Sunni/Shia background is that they still have many aspects of sectarian Islam in them. They don't understand that it takes some time before the Sunni/Shia influence fades from them. They talk in many ways just like a salafi does. They come from a background where kufr, haram and shirk are used generously and they assume that the Koran sees it that way when in reality it does not.
Yup.. 100% agree...
Little they realize that
- islam is not a religion or sect
- moslem is attainable through virtues & deeds and not through membership of certain religion or sect.
- there are moslems nearly within every religion or sect.
Salam / Peace
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The problem with many new Koranist who come from a Sunni/Shia background is that they still have many aspects of sectarian Islam in them. They don't understand that it takes some time before the Sunni/Shia influence fades from them. They talk in many ways just like a salafi does. They come from a background where kufr, haram and shirk are used generously and they assume that the Koran sees it that way when in reality it does not.
The problem with many Muslims (if you would have read the Quran, you'd understand that it is what Allah has called us) is that they prejudge with no knowledge whatsoever (ex you and Jafar). You are very wrong in what you have said anyway. It does not matter, we will both fully be judged and we will see who used to invent and lie.
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Can we pray for our christian friends?
You can surely pray to Allah for everybody so that Allah would guide him/her.
but the BIG problem is, that you can not take christians as friends D
551 O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as friends; these are friends of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.
worse is, catholics are not only disbelievers of the people of book, but also mushriks since they associate Messiah to Allah
931 They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.
therefore they are simply shit acc. to Quran
928 O you who acknowledge, those who have set up partners are impure, so let them not approach the Restricted Temple after this calendar year of theirs. If you fear poverty, then God will enrich you from His blessings if He wills. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
If you are a true follower of Quran and not a follower of fake messengers such as RK and sahabas like EY (the American kurd) think on the above words of Allah.
peace
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Greetings and Peace, all group
My comments in purple, AQ quotes in red.
You can surely pray to Allah for everybody so that Allah would guide him/her.
but the BIG problem is, that you can not take christians as friends D
551 O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as friends; these are friends of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.
551 O you who believe, do not take the Jews and the Nazarenes as allies , for they are allies to one another; and whoever takes them as such from among you is one of them. GOD does not guide the wicked people.
Khallan means friend, and is found in 4125, 1773, 2528, and 4367. There is a vast difference between friend and ally. There is no prohibition against having friends of different faiths. Remember, where no prohibition exists
732 Say "Who has made unlawful the nice things that GOD has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say "They are meant for those who believe during this worldly life, and they will be exclusive for them on the Day of Resurrection." It is such that We explain the revelations for those who know.
587 O you who believe, do not make unlawful the good things that GOD has made lawful to you, and do not aggress; GOD does not love the aggressors.
Further, we are instructed to invite to the deen. It is difficult to invite if separated from those needing invitations.
4133 And who is better in saying than he who invites to GOD, and does good works, and says "I am one of those who have submitted."
The label of religion doesn't matter. There are multitudes of monotheistic Christians--and many other faiths as well.
367 Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Nazarene, but he was a monotheist who submitted; he was not of the polytheists.
worse is, catholics are not only disbelievers of the people of book, but also mushriks since they associate Messiah to Allah
Not all Christians are Catholic. Even those nominally within the fold of Catholocism may privately hold different beliefs. We are not the judge of any--and with strangers, our opinions matter even less. We should attempt to master ourselves and, ISA, invite others.
931 They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.
therefore they are simply shit acc. to Quran
I do not find this in AQ. What I find is this
262 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whoever of them believes in GOD and the Last Day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve.
6108 And do not insult those who call on other than GOD, lest they insult GOD out of ignorance. And We have similarly adorned for every nation their works; then to their Lord is their return and He will inform them of what they had done.
4213 He has decreed for you the same system He ordained for Noah, and what We inspired to you, and what We ordained for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus You shall uphold this system, and do not divide in it. Intolerable for the polytheists is what you invite them towards. GOD chooses for Himself whoever He wills; He guides to Himself those who repent.
Do you see? Those who follow the teachings of Jesus (peace upon all prophets) or any other prophet is guided. There are many people in many different "religions" who follow teachings without taking partners beside ALLAH. ALLAH knows best who submits to ALLAH.
928 O you who acknowledge, those who have set up partners are impure, so let them not approach the Restricted Temple after this calendar year of theirs. If you fear poverty, then God will enrich you from His blessings if He wills. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
7157 "Those who follow the Gentile messenger prophet whom they find written for them in the Torah and the Gospel; he orders them to kindness, and prohibits them from vice, and he makes lawful for them the good things, and he makes unlawful for them the evil things, and he removes their burden and the shackles that are upon them. So those who believe in him, and support him, and help him persevere, and follow the light that was sent down with him; these are the successful ones."
If you are a true follower of Quran and not a follower of fake messengers such as RK and sahabas like EY (the American kurd) think on the above words of Allah.
peace
I've recently found out that my brother rejects trinity and does not take any partners besides ALLAH. ) I believe in the COMPLETE instructions of ALLAH. Much mischief occurs due to taking things out of context.
May ALLAH see fit to guide all seekers. ALLAH knows best.
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord make his face to shine upon you,
and be gracious to you.
May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you,
and give you peace.peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Peace. Well said Bigmo and Abdul Hadi. Your understandings are more in line with my understanding of the Quran. However sometimes i have to ask and if helps a lot when you can get someone who speaks Arabic and who is willing to say it as it is.
I would alo ask everyone to check out the thread that i posted earlier. The thread is How do we know who are those that God had condemned. Again Arabic speaking brkthers and sisters maybe have an answer.
Thanks
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And if Allah guided someone, because you prayed, would you fall flat on your face? I am not saying that it is impossible, but like the story of noah, don
t be like the ignorant. So are you supposed to pray all the time for the people of the earth? Ofcourse the angels in heaven pray for those in the earth, but I dont think that is ritual prayer, more like hope.
Ritual prayer for everyone is not your duty. Prayer serves to be conscious of one God. Monotheistic awareness. The quran says "those who pray and purify themselves". Indeed if you take in the words of prayer, you start a process of purification, and monotheistic awareness. Once you are there, and are correcly aware, you can ask yourself if prayer for others, is something you`d do in that state of mind.Peace.
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931 They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD.
This description fit perfectly with the common sunnis/salafis/wahhabis/shiites and any other sectarians isn't it? (e.g. catholics, orthodox, rabbanic judaism etc..)
Nonetheless.. I continue my good friendship and relations with them.... and send greetings, wishes and pray for them too..
As it's incorrect to fight sectarian behavior with another sectarian behavior....
Salam / Peace
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Peace. Well said Bigmo and Abdul Hadi. Your understandings are more in line with my understanding of the Quran. However sometimes i have to ask and if helps a lot when you can get someone who speaks Arabic and who is willing to say it as it is.
I would alo ask everyone to check out the thread that i posted earlier. The thread is How do we know who are those that God had condemned. Again Arabic speaking brkthers and sisters maybe have an answer.
Thanks
Right. The way the Koran understands Iman and kufr is not the same way as most Muslims or Jews or Christians do. This is because the Koran does not seperate between the prophets. So to say a person is Jewish if his mother is Jewish is not old Testament talk. This is Rabbinic talk. To say that only through Jesus is their salvation is not Gospel talk, but Trinitarian talk. To say a believer is one who believes in the 5 pillars of Islam is not Koranic talk, but sectarian Islam talk.
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Right. The way the Koran understands Iman and kufr is not the same way as most Muslims or Jews or Christians do. This is because the Koran does not seperate between the prophets. So to say a person is Jewish if his mother is Jewish is not old Testament talk. This is Rabbinic talk. To say that only through Jesus is their salvation is not Gospel talk, but Trinitarian talk. To say a believer is one who believes in the 5 pillars of Islam is not Koranic talk, but sectarian Islam talk.
Exactly!
There are THREE groups in mankind, NOT the illusory 300000000000 zillion different sectarian divisions
1 - The foremost Those exclusive in seeking truth & good deeds
1 - The companions of the right hand Following the foremost and seeking truth and doing good deeds but in a more passive fashion
0 - Companions of the left hand No comment!So basically a person is a 1 or a 0. And they can be an active or a passive 1, but as for 0s there is no distinction, it doesn't matter injustice is injustice.
A person can go between these categories whenever they please but there are specific rules. Once you are a companion of the left hand twice there is no turning back (390 amongst others).
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Peace. I understand that it says not to take Christians as alies and not to be friends with disbelievers but then in 608 says that its ok but only if they are not fighting against you.
608 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them for Allah loveth those who are just.
Now all the professionals I am dealing with, who can and want to help me with things are not Muslims. What if for instance you need to go to court and there are no Muslim solicitors, should you represent your self even if youdont have any clue about how to do it. Should you just go to fourth, represent your self and put faith in God?
I mean does not verse 608 meant that if they don't fight you then you can take them ad allies?Thanks