Can we pray for our christian friends?

hamzamutlu

salam bigmo, all
plz read 4171 more carefully

4171 O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of YOUR religion, and do not say about GOD except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of GOD, and His word that He had sent to Mary, and a revelation from Him. Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messengers. You shall not say, "Trinity."............

Whose religion is the religion told in 4171, the limits of which are transgressed. christians' or jews' religion ?

Basically anyone who are students any of the scriptures (the Torah, the Injeel and the Quran) are more or less people of the book so in fact sunnies and shites are people of the book as well.

So accordingly prophet Mohammad and sahaba were also people of the book. D so are we all. If everybody is people of the book then what's the use of using the term "people of the book" ? D

HOWEVER the term ?people of the book? as used in the Quran generally specifies only two groups , the Jews and the Christians because of the CONTEXT of the verses.

Why "generally" ? have you seen exceptions ? is there any single verse in which the term "people of the book" is used for muslims ? D

peace all

Maha

Bigmo

People of the book are the Jews and not Christians. The Rabbis to this day will tell you they rejected Jesus because he claimed to be god. However the real reason why they rejected him is the same reason Sunnis and Shias reject

Brother as I can see hhe quranic word for jew are simply 'hood' and when talking about jews only the quran stats 'jews'. But 'people of the book' as the word itself describes, are more than a group of people, its 'people who have a book'. The verse you just quoted regarding jews, what you forget is that it was during the time of moses when they had and still have torah hence they were/are included 'people of the book'. So the verse you just quoted, just confirms that jews are included in the people of the book and I believe muslims as well, since they really have hundreds of book which they follow

Hamzamultlu

So accordingly prophet Mohammad and sahaba were also people of the book. so are we all. If everybody is people of the book then what's the use of using the term "people of the book" ?

What is all this sudden talk about muhammad and sahaba? you sound like a real sunni o

Why "generally" ? have you seen exceptions ? is there any single verse in which the term "people of the book" is used for muslims ?

Muslims can both be from among 'the people of the book' and they can also be people who are not among 'people of the book'

And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture, those who believe in God and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before God. They do not sell the Verses of God for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, God is Swift in account. '(3199

Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin Al-Ma'r?f and forbid Al-Munkar ; and they hasten in (all) good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are Al-Muttaq?n .(3113-115)

Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . (quran 262)

KDC501

So accordingly prophet Mohammad and sahaba were also people of the book. so are we all. If everybody is people of the book then what's the use of using the term "people of the book" ?

Why "generally" ? have you seen exceptions ? is there any single verse in which the term "people of the book" is used for muslims ?

peace all

The people of the book is used to describe people who have scripture that is from God.

Hence the term ?the people of the BOOK? . Like the Torah and the Injeel, The Quran is also a BOOK!

So basically any person who studies the scripture are people of the book. This includes , sunnis, shites, Jews, Christians etc.

HOWEVER the term ?the people of the book? by context in the Quran is only used to describe the Jews and the Christians. Because they were used as EXAMPLES of people who had scripture from BEFORE.

Ok look at it this way. If the Quran wasn?t the last scripture we today would have been categorized in a new scripture with the Jews and the Christians as ?people of the book? since we study the Quran. The Quran is a book,a scripture just like the Injeel and the Torah.

Peace,

Kevin

hamzamutlu

The people of the book is used to describe people who have scripture that is from God.

You can use the term ?the people of the book? as you wish..no problem. The matter is for which particular people the term is used by ALLAH in Quran ? And surely each of such terms in Quran must correspond to particular people since otherwise Quran's message would be ambiguous, wouldn't it ? And as you also admit, the term ?the people of the book? by context in the Quran is only used to describe the Jews and the Christians.

If the Quran wasn?t the last scripture we today would have been categorized in a new scripture with the Jews and the Christians as ?people of the book? since we study the Quran.

If the Quran wasn?t the last scripture then ALLAH would have choosen the terms He used in Quran accordingly.

peace

Maha

You can use the term ?the people of the book? as you wish..no problem. The matter is for which particular people the term is used by ALLAH in Quran ? And surely each of such terms in Quran must correspond to particular people since otherwise Quran's message would be ambiguous, wouldn't it ? And as you also admit, the term ?the people of the book? by context in the Quran is only used to describe the Jews and the Christians.

If the Quran wasn?t the last scripture then ALLAH would have choosen the terms He used in Quran accordingly.

peace

People of the book in the quran is desribed for anyone with a book, and christians and jews had books so they are included. But you see, muslims also have a book called quran right? So they are also among people of the book. So when the prophet got these message he would be thinking about the people who had a book, mostly known as jews and christians but since Quran is timeless the 'people of the book' also means muslims today since they also have a book.

So muslims are also 'people of the book'

hamzamutlu

But you see, muslims also have a book called quran right? So they are also among people of the book.

I wonder when muslims exactly became the people of the book .. I mean after completion of revelation of Quran or after having %50 of it or maybe right after the revelation of the first verse.

So when the prophet got these message he would be thinking about the people who had a book, mostly known as jews and christians

Yes yes.. very probably he thought so since he was probably not as clever as you D

(sorry for the joke, but I couldn't find a better answer D)

peace

KDC501

You can use the term ?the people of the book? as you wish..no problem. The matter is for which particular people the term is used by ALLAH in Quran ? And surely each of such terms in Quran must correspond to particular people since otherwise Quran's message would be ambiguous, wouldn't it ? And as you also admit, the term ?the people of the book? by context in the Quran is only used to describe the Jews and the Christians.

If the Quran wasn?t the last scripture then ALLAH would have choosen the terms He used in Quran accordingly.

peace

I don't disagree with you brother that the term people of the book was used to describe the Jews and the Christians. What I do disagree with is that you say that the definition of the term means the Jews and the Christians. This is not the case.

Sura 4153
4153 The people of the book ask you to bring down to them a book from the heavens. They had asked Moses for even more than that, for they said, "Let us see God plainly!", so the lightning bolt took them for their wickedness. Then they took the calf after the proof had come to them, and We pardoned them for this; We gave Moses a clear authority.

Here we see that the people of the book was used to describe the Jews ALONE....

In Sura 4171
4171 O people of the book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God's messenger and the fulfillment of His word to Mary, and an inspiration from Him. So acknowledge God and His messengers, and do not say, "Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker.

We see that the term is used to describe the Christians alone...

In other verses the term is unclear regarding which group in particular....but most would agree that it generally describes the Jews and the Christians.

986 Those who rejected from the people of the book and those who set up partners are in the fires of hell abiding therein, those are the worst of creation

375 Among the people of the book are those whom if you entrust him with a large amount he gives it back to you, and there are those whom if you entrust with one gold coin he will not return it to you unless you are standing over him. That is because they said, "We have no obligation towards the Gentiles." They say about God lies while knowing.

5911 Have you noted those who are hypocrites, they say to their companions in denial among the people of the book "If you are driven out we will go out with you, and we will never obey anyone who opposes you. If anyone fights you, we will support you." God bears witness that they are liars.

We see the term people of the Book. But which people is God talking about?? The Jews or the Christians??? Or both?

Basically what I'm trying to show you is that if the term meant only Jews and the Christians why would the term be used with the Jews alone and the Christians alone? Jews and Christians are not the same. It's like jelly and peanut butter. So basically the proper definition of the term is "people who posses scripture" and not "Jews and Christians"

The term "People of the Book" is SUBJECTED TO CONTEXT! That is why you see it being used differently in the Quran. Sometimes it can mean the Jews alone, sometimes the Christians, sometimes both. The proper definition of the term means 'people who posses scripture'. Not Jews and Christians since this is a vague definition and it will depend on the context of its use in the Quran. Look at 4153 , 4171 and 5911.

Peace

Maha