Its impossible to have a healthy discussion with sectarians!!

Maha

I dont know whether I am right or not, but whenever I speak to a sectarian about the quranist perspective, they always seem to insult me. How are the reactions you guys got?

Now here I am sharing a message I got from a sunni male when he asked me whether quran-aloners or quranist consider headscarf as being fard

Basit What are the quranist view on lashing, cutting off the hands and headscarf?
Maha Headscarf for muslim women is not required, but both males and females should look modest. Lashing is hard to practise, since the requirement for 4 witness is given in Surah Noor. Most Quranist dont interpret cutting off hands as you sunni do.

Basit That really shows that you people are a bunch of kaafiirs who have nothing to do with Islam or Quran. You people even have a problem with the verses regarding lashing and cutting off hands i.e. you are even against Quran. And than you say muslim women should look modest? Is a women in bikini modest? Is a woman showing her breast modest? You guys have no limits because you consider ahadith being meaningless. Therefore you and your quranist fellowers are in reality standing for a christian version of Islam, which is in reality an amputated Islam where everyone is free to interpret Islam according to his own wishes and desires, and that has NO worth in the side of Allah(swt) or the muslims.Maha No we just have a problem with some people like you attach barbaric practices to Islam, like opression, rape, murder, lashing, cutting off hands etc.
Basit You seem to be an islamophob since you call cutting off hands and lashing for being barbaric. The only barbaric thing is to alter Allahs law and think that you would still enter Jannah(paradise). Hell is excately for people who with their small brains think they have more knowledge than Allah(swt) himself.
Now the lashing and cutting off hands punishment is mentioned in the quran hence implemented by muslims for the past 1300 years, so I wonder how a little and submissive sect after 1300 years should discover the true meaning of Quran

Maha Listen, we study the quran and four witness are required in surah al noor for lashing. Do you really think its possible to lash people than? Do you think people would have sex on the streets or what?
Basit It happens that people have sex on streets. Now what you lash them if it happens?
And what if someone himself admit he did it what would you do? You quranist have a problem not only with ahadith but also with the punishments described in the quran which indicates that you people are a kuffar sect, a few hundreds submissive, stupid people who would not trust Allah (sws) law no matter what.
Thats why your few hundred quranist are disappearing compared to the hundreds of millions true muslims who love allah(swt)deen unconditionally.
Regarding what you said that quranist hold another point of view about cutting off hand vers, than IT REALLY shows how kuffar and unislamic you are. Do you want us to reward and hold parties for the theieves?
Maha I think you should leave your urge for judging other people all the time. What are you doing in the free kuffar West, go back to Iran or Saudi Arabia if you are so desperate to lash people.
Basit Please - no muslims want to have anything to do with quranists. I am in the free Kuffar West in order to tell the kuffar Westernes about islam so pagan souls like you dont give a bad picture of the true islam which yes contains lashing, cutting off hands but also contains justice, peace, and a economic/political version which are much better than the western version.
But slaves of west like you consider the west of being a master and thats why you quranist hesitate with saying anything against the West and try to alter allah(swt) law in order to please your Western masters - while you forget that its Allah you should please and not humans.
May Allah guide you and that little quranist sect.

Kaiokenred

Sunnis being retarded as always. (H)

Student_of_Allah

Shalom,

Thats typical type of response. However, I have personally had discussions with hardcore sunnis/shias who are far better than this person. They do not agree with me, but do not verbally abuse me and start being so judgmental. In most cases, the female sunnis behaved with love and care , and all the hatred I received were always from male sunnis. Its funny how he called you "Christian"..lol. Usually they say that Qur'an alone is a jewish propaganda/conspiracy. Right infront of me in a chat room/forum they tell each other not to visit my blog or any other quranist blog because they are sponsored by JEWS. brickwall

Anyways, I always find it helpful to use diplomacy. Because of their disposition, its hard for them to grasp the concept of FREEDOM and using YOUR OWN brain and following ONLY WHAT YOU CAN UNDERTSAND/VERIFY. So, instead of telling them the number of times I do my Salat in a day, I tell them that I do it as much as I find stated in Qur'an. If he can prove me its 17 times, I will do it !! Then, instead of attacking my interpretation with "name calling", he will come to the topic of "Sunnah and its importance". Which is a common ground for refutation for all God alone muslims.

Peace
------------ Student of Allah

Kaiokenred

It's hadiths that are jewish. I lol'd at how that idiot insulted her by telling her she has small brain. Coming from a sunni, that's very ironic

mirjamnur

Peace to you all
The example that we see above, is so typical. I was a Christian and Sunni Islam after 9 years I am, thank God!!!! woke up. My husband called me with exactly the same accusations, he even forbade me to bring our children out of the country of fear.(my homeland is Switzerland) It's sad how dogmas can wipe out the common sense and aggression and homicide and barbarism can be tolerated. It goes so far that one's family must jump over the cliff .. elektro Better the woman described as Apostatin than to lose his face and the family's honor. '(
Often with such extremists is the honor at stake, where Western-educated people do not know this, the honor plays here (Egypt) a huge role. The brainwashing is totally scary, but comprehensible, why There are instilled the beliefs of the children since "hadana" from 3 Years old. What says Rasul = What Allah says this is stored, cemented .... . hypno I have also tried to talk with friends, but until now I have joined only on walls and total rejection. Here is a rejection of the headscarf equal to relapse in the kufr. and there's no way to discuss.In front of Allah, i'm responible for the children education but, in fact, what i can do now? To be quite and see, how they become also brainwashed? Allah may help me and all and give us power.

Student_of_Allah

Peace to you all
The example that we see above, is so typical. I was a Christian and Sunni Islam after 9 years I am, thank God!!!! woke up. My husband called me with exactly the same accusations, he even forbade me to bring our children out of the country of fear.(my homeland is Switzerland) It's sad how dogmas can wipe out the common sense and aggression and homicide and barbarism can be tolerated. It goes so far that one's family must jump over the cliff .. elektro Better the woman described as Apostatin than to lose his face and the family's honor. '(
Often with such extremists is the honor at stake, where Western-educated people do not know this, the honor plays here (Egypt) a huge role. The brainwashing is totally scary, but comprehensible, why There are instilled the beliefs of the children since "hadana" from 3 Years old. What says Rasul = What Allah says this is stored, cemented .... . hypno I have also tried to talk with friends, but until now I have joined only on walls and total rejection. Here is a rejection of the headscarf equal to relapse in the kufr. and there's no way to discuss.In front of Allah, i'm responible for the children education but, in fact, what i can do now? To be quite and see, how they become also brainwashed? Allah may help me and all and give us power.

Shalom,

Feel bad for the kids ( But the Good news is that GOD GUIDES WHOM HE WANTS D So, train them to be nice,compassionate,good. Train them with critical thinking in fields outside of religion, critical thinking is a process that will by itself make your kids question things.

Little story
As a kid , I asked my father why the imam said not to use perfume while we fast. My dad said that it has no direct relation with fasting, the possible reason is not to put on so much perfume that another fasting muslim may be in hardship because of your "perfume attack" on his nose. And he told me that its not a package of ramadan, it is a principle for your everyday life. Dont become a painful entity in your society .

A person in our dinner table was GLORIFYING arabs, another person was refuting him. My mom stepped in and said "If the Arabs are so HOLY and deserve SO much praise , God would have sent all those messengers/prophets somewhere else". rotfl

I believe, that kind of thought provoking and critical thinking that I was exposed to (even from traditionalist parents) had impact on my thinking process. They never ever forced me on anything religious. I love my family, they are traditionalists who are GOD ALONE in their heart. Never have I refuted any of their claims from the Qur'an and had to see them bring up any hadith . If its from God's Book, they never bring up any hadith/scholar/etc all that a common traditionalist sets up beside God. May God reward them. My point is that all hope is not lost, you can atleast teach them to be nice but critical.

@kaiokenred
I do know what you are talking about, but wisdom tells me not to label all of them as stupids. Many don't even get to know the truth because of these hypocrite expert level concealers known as sheikhs/rabbis/priests/mullahs. It is our duty to use wisdom and nice ways of delivering the truth, the true muslim hears God's command and obeys, the hypocrite seeks another Qur'an.

Peace
---------- Student of Allah

Jafar

Sunni's hate list in order of priority

Ahmadis
Shiites
Quranites a.k.a the anti hadits..
Jews
Christians and the West
Hindus (If the sunnis happened to be a pakistanis, other than them they're usually not even aware on the existence of hinduism)
Gays and Lesbians
Atheists

Luckily Taoists, Buddhists, Shintoists, Humanists, Confucianists are (not yet) on their priority list again due to their unawareness.

Bigmo

I dont know whether I am right or not, but whenever I speak to a sectarian about the quranist perspective, they always seem to insult me. How are the reactions you guys got?

Now here I am sharing a message I got from a sunni male when he asked me whether quran-aloners or quranist consider headscarf as being fard

Basit What are the quranist view on lashing, cutting off the hands and headscarf?
Maha Headscarf for muslim women is not required, but both males and females should look modest. Lashing is hard to practise, since the requirement for 4 witness is given in Surah Noor. Most Quranist dont interpret cutting off hands as you sunni do.

Basit That really shows that you people are a bunch of kaafiirs who have nothing to do with Islam or Quran. You people even have a problem with the verses regarding lashing and cutting off hands i.e. you are even against Quran. And than you say muslim women should look modest? Is a women in bikini modest? Is a woman showing her breast modest? You guys have no limits because you consider ahadith being meaningless. Therefore you and your quranist fellowers are in reality standing for a christian version of Islam, which is in reality an amputated Islam where everyone is free to interpret Islam according to his own wishes and desires, and that has NO worth in the side of Allah(swt) or the muslims.Maha No we just have a problem with some people like you attach barbaric practices to Islam, like opression, rape, murder, lashing, cutting off hands etc.
Basit You seem to be an islamophob since you call cutting off hands and lashing for being barbaric. The only barbaric thing is to alter Allahs law and think that you would still enter Jannah(paradise). Hell is excately for people who with their small brains think they have more knowledge than Allah(swt) himself.
Now the lashing and cutting off hands punishment is mentioned in the quran hence implemented by muslims for the past 1300 years, so I wonder how a little and submissive sect after 1300 years should discover the true meaning of Quran

Maha Listen, we study the quran and four witness are required in surah al noor for lashing. Do you really think its possible to lash people than? Do you think people would have sex on the streets or what?
Basit It happens that people have sex on streets. Now what you lash them if it happens?
And what if someone himself admit he did it what would you do? You quranist have a problem not only with ahadith but also with the punishments described in the quran which indicates that you people are a kuffar sect, a few hundreds submissive, stupid people who would not trust Allah (sws) law no matter what.
Thats why your few hundred quranist are disappearing compared to the hundreds of millions true muslims who love allah(swt)deen unconditionally.
Regarding what you said that quranist hold another point of view about cutting off hand vers, than IT REALLY shows how kuffar and unislamic you are. Do you want us to reward and hold parties for the theieves?
Maha I think you should leave your urge for judging other people all the time. What are you doing in the free kuffar West, go back to Iran or Saudi Arabia if you are so desperate to lash people.
Basit Please - no muslims want to have anything to do with quranists. I am in the free Kuffar West in order to tell the kuffar Westernes about islam so pagan souls like you dont give a bad picture of the true islam which yes contains lashing, cutting off hands but also contains justice, peace, and a economic/political version which are much better than the western version.
But slaves of west like you consider the west of being a master and thats why you quranist hesitate with saying anything against the West and try to alter allah(swt) law in order to please your Western masters - while you forget that its Allah you should please and not humans.
May Allah guide you and that little quranist sect.

1682 But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message

479-80 Say ?Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."

1753-54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner. Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe.... Hence, we have not sent you with power to determine their Faith

24.54. Say "Obey God, and obey the Messenger, but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message).

8821 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

426 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach

6412 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.

28.55-56 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away there from and say "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you we seek not the ignorant," It is true thou wilt not be able to guide whom thou lovest; but God guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance

As we can clearly see, many of the verses that talks about obeying the prophet also emphasizes the prophet's limited authority, something that the Islamic sects do not recognize. The ruler to them has the authority to punish people for what they consider sins like drinking alcohol, eating pork, not fasting Ramadan, watching pornos etc.

The Koran meanwhile focuses on crimes against another like stealing, killing, slandering of women falsely and oppression. It gave the believers the right to fight against those who fight them but not to transgress. It also gave people the right to defend themselves against evictions from their lands. There is no talk about punishing people for something that does not concern somebody else's right.

Adultery is the only place where the Koran diverted from this due to the fact that a adultery affects another party. Here the Koran sees adultery as affecting the other partner in a marriage. It?s a betrayal and a breaking of oath. But even then it placed strict standards on that but was lenient when it came to punishing slanders of women. Adultery needs four witnesses but the slander can get punished by flogging just from opening his mouth without four witnesses. It?s clear that the verse made it very difficult to implement on adultery but very easy to implement on the slanderer. Further reading of the verse about the Zani and Zania shows us that the issue came up concerning slandering of one of the prophet?s wife presumably. But adultery still affects another party as its a breaking of an oath between a man and a woman and is an act of betrayal.

The Koran cannot order the prophet to punish people for sins, that God's job. The Koran gave people the right and freedom to disbelieve let alone sin. Plus how the Koran understands sins is very different than how the sects understand sins.

In the end the sects had no choice but to abrogate many of these verses, usually invoking the "sword verse". They claim that many of these verses that gave the prophet limited authority(over those who chose to disobey him) has been abrogated by verse 9-5 or verse 9-29.

However these verses were about the wars with the pagans, and verse 9-13 and many other verses makes it clear who instigated these battles and why. The Jizya verse (9-29) also was claimed by the sects to be a tax to be paid by non Muslims in an Islamic state for protection. However Jizya never came concerning the Medina community where the prophet and his followers had a community. And only came upon the believers entering of Mecca. Jizya could have easily been compensation for the loss of property and homes that the believers suffered after being forced into exile. The Koran forbade prophets from seeking any form of reward. They can however accept charity on behalf of the believers.

But the Sunnah claimed otherwise. In it the prophet was ordered to fight the people till they acknowledge monotheism and also in it the prophet ordered the execution of those who apostate. That?s why they abrogated many of the verses that limited his authority. Then they simply transferred that authority to the Muslim ruler by default. The Ridda war story about Abu Bakr is a case study of this. In that story Abu Bakr apparently fought people for not paying Zakat. Now the authority was transferred from God to the prophet to one of his companions. This made it very easy to then transfer that authority to the ruler. This is why you see places where Shariah law is implemented filled with such concepts like searching cars for alcohol or flogging people for watching pornos or not wearing proper attire. None of this should concern anyone but it has become a punishable sin. God only punishes those who did not get caught and punished in this world. The sects claimed that once punished the sin falls away and disappears. You will not find such a concept in the Koran. There God punishes in a million ways and does not need humans to punish for him. I think the sects introduced this conc3ept to make people more accepting of this by making them think its better for them since God's punishment is more severe. They also introduced stoning the adulterer by claiming the Zina verse in the Koran is concerning fornification and not adultery. They claimed that the verse about stoning was lost and is not included in the Koran but the ruling remains.

This of course violated not only the freedom aspect of the Koran but also an eye for an eye and a life for a life. In the Koran, any punishment must be reciprocal and proportionate to the crime and it also must be targeted towards the actual perpetrators of the crime and not someone else associated to the criminal as the case with tribal laws that simply targets anyone from that tribe. They broke this by lower the bar for executions. Some Sunni scholars also gave the authority to execute homosexuals and enslave female prisoners and execute male prisoners. Something the Koran forbade. The Koran gave two options for prisoners, either freedom or ransom of some sort. They gave this authority to the ruler. This is all very sad as the taking of someone?s life is no easy matter in the Koran. God should take life and not humans, but if a person takes a life then he lost his right to live, but even then the Koran gave exile from the community as another option for murder especially if the person shows repentance. So an eye for an eye and a tooth for tooth somehow ended up being an eye for an eye lash and a tooth for a jaw.

To be fair the Sunni orthodoxy rarely practiced some of these laws. We know of no time in history where adulterers were stoned to death. Apostasy was rarely practiced, unlike the Christians in Europe that practiced these laws left and right. So the Sunni jurist knew that some of these laws could be controversial. There is a rumour about Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab the founder or rather the revivalist of Salafism (some call it wahhabism) stoned a women to death. This was the only time in Islamic history that we heard such a thing.

Its very unfortunate the current Islamist in Iran and Sudan and the Salafis in generally never understood why these laws were controversial. But in doing so they exposed much aspect of the sects that people were not aware of. The Sufis provided a convenient cover as they shunned legalism. But even the clerics understood that these laws were controversial. Its was never easy in Islamic history to execute outside of murder. But this wise tradition was broken after the clerics lost clout and many aspects of the Sunnah became public. In the past the Sunnah wa sin the hands of a very few, most often clerics and people doing research. The public was only aware of the Koran. Modernity offered the Sunnah a public exposure like never before. That?s very unfortunant as now we see the culture of death has spread among Muslims till Islam became synonymous with violence and killing. Once you lower the bar it spirals out of control.

One thing is crystal clear from all this. The Koran's take on human authority and freedom is RADICALLY different than how the sects understand it. Therefore the biggest difference between a Koranic state and a Sunni or Shia state will come in the form of the state's authority over the masses. It is this, more than anything else, that separates the Koran from the Sunnah. That?s why the Abbasids championed the Sunnah over the Mutazilites. The Mutaziltes couldn't find the ink inthe Koran to give them such draconian authority. The sects did that by first bringing the divine authority from God to prophet, then propet to Caliph (companions) and now that authority is in Omar Al Bashir, Khamenei, Mullah Omar and Al Saud. And that?s very sad.

I found by dealing with the larger issues and over all picture is more effective that dealing with issue by issue. Dealing with issue by issue with Sunnis or Shias does not change the way they think. So when we talk about stealing or adultery, the Sunnis and Shias can now see how these issues must be dealt with with the issue of authority and justice in mind. They still think that sins need to be punished but in the Koran sins are not to be punished by men but crimes against another does. God has authority that humans don't have have. If God gave humans the freedom to believe or disbelieve than humans have absolute freedom as far as faith is concerned and actions are concerned , however this freedom is given as long as it does not infringe on somebody elses right. To say something is haram or not is one thing, to make it a punishable crime is another. Nobody can do worse than disbelieving yet the Koran gave humans that freedom.

Another thing is the concept of sin as understood in the Koran maybe different than how Sunnis or Shias see them. Highlighting what Koran consideres to be grave sin could help a Sunni or Shia prioritize issues. Hijab is not a big deal as far as the Koran is concerned so is drinking alcohol or eating pork. These issues do not reveal anything about a character of a person or his faith like being a miser or a lyer or muderer or a theif or a trecherous person. Some of these are crimes agianst another human others are crimes against ones own self. What is considered a crime against another is wher humans have authority to act other than that humans have no authority.

One of the goals of the Sunnah was to elevate the prophetic authority to divine authority and therby this authority can be transfered to the muslim ruler by default.

Also how the Koran understand faith is different than how a Sunni or Shia does, that is why they throw the kaffir label generoulsy. By highlighting who is considered a believer in the Koran or who is not can help them see better. A believer in the Koran is someone who believes in God and the hereafter. It does nt matter what religious community he belongs to as long as he has faith in God and the herafter. Sunnis and Shias have many criteria needed for faith like the 5 pillars of Islam and the consensus of the Muslims scholars. So rejecting the Qibla for them is kufr however in the Koran the Koran downplays the significance of the Qibla. It tells us the Qibla direction is not a matter of faith or righteousness and that wherever we turn we will find God.

amuslim

Peace,

If you were trying to prove something to him, quote from the Qur'an. Your debate with him looks like its just a back and forth battle of "I'm right and you're wrong" between the both of you. Also, from what you posted here, you didn't answer his question when he asked about lashing people who have sex in the public (more than 4 witnesses) or if one admits to it. Lashing is indeed prescribed in the Qur'an for such people, there's no way around it. Avoiding it just places more doubt for him in regards to people that follow the Qur'an alone. Also, why do most Quranists (I'd personally refrain from using that word) see that cutting off the hands is unQuranic? You need to be able to explain these things and not just state them. He's basically doing the same thing.

Peace

Emil

Peace,

If you were trying to prove something to him, quote from the Qur'an. Your debate with him looks like its just a back and forth battle of "I'm right and you're wrong" between the both of you. Also, from what you posted here, you didn't answer his question when he asked about lashing people who have sex in the public (more than 4 witnesses) or if one admits to it. Lashing is indeed prescribed in the Qur'an for such people, there's no way around it. Avoiding it just places more doubt for him in regards to people that follow the Qur'an alone. Also, why do most Quranists (I'd personally refrain from using that word) see that cutting off the hands is unQuranic? You need to be able to explain these things and not just state them. He's basically doing the same thing.
Peace

Peace Maha

I second amuslim, always always quote a verse from the Quran. It is the only way to put weight into an argument with the type of individual you are facing. Nothing else works.
And whenever he/she/they point out according to them a "flaw" in the QA movement such as the punishment for thieves (lets face it, we QA are not 100% in agreement) then it is better to surrender with humbleness and say "yes, there is a difference of opinion regarding that matter" If they proclaim your surrender as a victory for them you could always point out the embarrasing fact that within sunni or whatever they belong to there are also differences of opinion, for example some sunnis think it is ok to blow themselves up......

Humility, kindness and absolutely no pie-throwing. Whenever I am discussing with a hard-liner like this guy I am not writing to him, trying to prove him wrong. I think more of the people who are reading what we write, and maybe one of them will think "this QA movement seems interesting, maybe I will check it out"

Maha

Shalom,

Thats typical type of response. However, I have personally had discussions with hardcore sunnis/shias who are far better than this person. They do not agree with me, but do not verbally abuse me and start being so judgmental. In most cases, the female sunnis behaved with love and care , and all the hatred I received were always from male sunnis. Its funny how he called you "Christian"..lol. Usually they say that Qur'an alone is a jewish propaganda/conspiracy. Right infront of me in a chat room/forum they tell each other not to visit my blog or any other quranist blog because they are sponsored by JEWS. brickwall

Anyways, I always find it helpful to use diplomacy. Because of their disposition, its hard for them to grasp the concept of FREEDOM and using YOUR OWN brain and following ONLY WHAT YOU CAN UNDERTSAND/VERIFY. So, instead of telling them the number of times I do my Salat in a day, I tell them that I do it as much as I find stated in Qur'an. If he can prove me its 17 times, I will do it !! Then, instead of attacking my interpretation with "name calling", he will come to the topic of "Sunnah and its importance". Which is a common ground for refutation for all God alone muslims.

Peace
------------ Student of Allah

Thanks for your advices. It was really the first time I had a discussion with sunnites, so I really dont have experience in talking with them as you have. And it seems like they just want to listen to you nomatter how good arguments you may have. It seems like its impossible for them to even imagine an islam without hadith because than it would not be islam anymore (as they know it). I've been called kafir 1000 of times by them due to this.

Maha

Peace to you all
The example that we see above, is so typical. I was a Christian and Sunni Islam after 9 years I am, thank God!!!! woke up. My husband called me with exactly the same accusations, he even forbade me to bring our children out of the country of fear.(my homeland is Switzerland) It's sad how dogmas can wipe out the common sense and aggression and homicide and barbarism can be tolerated. It goes so far that one's family must jump over the cliff .. elektro Better the woman described as Apostatin than to lose his face and the family's honor. '(
Often with such extremists is the honor at stake, where Western-educated people do not know this, the honor plays here (Egypt) a huge role. The brainwashing is totally scary, but comprehensible, why There are instilled the beliefs of the children since "hadana" from 3 Years old. What says Rasul = What Allah says this is stored, cemented .... . hypno I have also tried to talk with friends, but until now I have joined only on walls and total rejection. Here is a rejection of the headscarf equal to relapse in the kufr. and there's no way to discuss.In front of Allah, i'm responible for the children education but, in fact, what i can do now? To be quite and see, how they become also brainwashed? Allah may help me and all and give us power.

Your story is just same as mine.... I always feel comfort in this verse The Quran 6116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.

Pakistani_Assassin

The majority of my close friends are Sunni Muslims. I don't think I'd ever be able to discuss the fallacies of ahadith with them or the Quran-Only approach, because I already know what kind of reactions I'll get. )

It is almost impossible.

Maha