Is the following fight in an Islamic spirit?
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False dichotomy. Just because a law is 'man-made' or 'un-divine', doesn't make it bad/wrong.
Are you claiming all 17 year olds are physically and mentally mature for sex, irrespective of upbringing, experiences, etc? Irrespective with whom they are getting involved with? Please cite studies for this.
The majority of the world's age of consent is closer to 16 (and many much closer to 13) than it is to 18 with usually a loophole (i.e. both parties must be within a couple of years of each other). So your lust for 'rebelling against the majority' falls flat on the face of this quasi-hipster thing called "reality".
I see no reason why man made laws are right either. No reason whatsoever. Even if they are, who you believe in? Allah or man?
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This isn't a competition between belief in God or man. Get that straight please. This is about the need to have some sort of structure; usually the end result of consensus and research as to the pros and cons for its growth, safety and benefit etc; to deal with the practical application of general principles which may be 'divine' in nature additionally. I don't see what the issue is that causes it to be such an outrage.
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Thanks brother. Sometimes I think that a lots of brothers and sisters on the forum just wont to be like non believers so that they get accepted by the west. Personally, what God wants is much more important to me and I am ready to go prison for that. If they are just going with the flow and not with God, justice and fairnes then are they really Muslims or are they atheists materialists who just wont to live as comfortable and trouble free lives.
I am a true believer and I can confidently say that for my self. I can also say confidently that you are one as well. In the end only God knows everything aboput us, such as are we following his book and and sense of fairnes that he has instilled it in us or secular materialistic so called values. I believe that basic morality is inate and then there are some things that God wants from us on top of that.
By the way. I have asked some Quran alone Arabs about the interpretation of the Quran by the monotheist group and there are some wrong things in it wich means that they have fallen for a satans trap of trying to please the materialists version of justice wich is why I think its good to have another copy of the Quran by Abdel Haleem.
I supose since God is infinite than no matter how many people go to hell there is always going to be room for them. Thats how I reason why are there so many bad people who insist they are believers. I have just read the posts on Free minds and someone is ssaying that that tape prooves that I am paranoid and sick, so they are siding with psychiatrists drug pushers who would probably diegnose them as sick because of there "exsesive interest in religion". They would do it to everyone if they could.
Alhumdulilah brother. I either win in the end and have a good life or I sufer on the path of Allah and or die on the path of Allah InshAllah. I pray to God to giv me, you and all the true believers strenght in overcoming our nmb 1 enemy Shaytan and his followers.
I am going to mpost this letter on the Free Mindds forum as well.
Once again everyone. I am SORY to God and I am also sorry to my victims for hurting them. I don't think that sex outside marriage is alowable by the Quran. I haven't had sexual relations with a woman in aproximatelly eight years and I don't wont it unless I get married InshAllah. I think that if I murdered an inocent person you wouldn't judge me as much as you judge me for my sexual offending.
By the way I was in Australian military prison my self about twelwe years ago. I was in prison when I was fifteen years old over break and enter. But all that is in the past as now I am a believer. I believe that I will be responsible for my actions before God and I am ready now to do what it takes to deserve his mercy InshAllah.
Those of you who said that my crimes where unforgivable are obviously my enemy and unless you change your statement I don't want to be your brother because your statement is not in line with Islamic teaxchings but secular materialist so called values. Who are you not to forgive me. I don't need forgiveness from unforgiving so called Muslims.
Thanks
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Once again an extremist opinion. Lots of brothers and sisters on the forum who want to be like non-believers so they get accepted by the west. What kind of nonsense reply to what's been discussed in the thread is this? It's a choice between God and the 'West'/'atheist materialists who want to live comfortable lives' when what's been said therein is nothing of the sort. And just who on earth is the post addressed to anyways?
Next comes an 'attack' on the monotheist group now in the form of a general statement. Oh because some 'Quran Alone Arabs' said it, they are trying to please the materialists version of 'justice', they are bad people. No response once again to most of what's raised on the thread...but lets just go out on a limb and vilify them anyways because that's the 'Islamic' thing to do.
A passing reference to Hell and the space available for 'certain' people and certainly, Ervin leaves no room for doubt exactly who these 'brothers and sisters' are. They are the ones who in his mind didn't offer him the blind solace and support that was expected. And of course an observation that they would be branded just as sick as him not because they might ACTUALLY have a mental disease like he apparently did, but because they spend time on a 'religious forum/quran'. Because that's what they do, the people in the white coats. They are out to get everyone.
A rousing morale boosting cry we see next, making sure TRUE believers are addressed. Him and those that support him being TRUE believers and the rest NON BELIEVERS who are going to HELL. Seen this at play on this forum alone, countless times. When things don't work out one's way, start making it out to be a battle between good and evil, God and Satan and of course, Believers and Non Believers.
You think wrong because most of what has been said on the thread inclusive of yourself has passed you by or has been deliberately/involuntarily blocked.
Why don't you give us a timeline plus details about each and everything once and for all so that you don't feel the need to post bits and pieces of personal history here and there? Yes we know it's all in the past. We get it.
This isn't about being a brother or sister, enemy or friend, heaven or hell. This isn't about God vs the evil West, Islam vs Secular Atheists/materialists or whatever else that can be dredged up as a rallying call for battle against. It's obvious that there will be no actual discussion on what has transpired on this thread at least from OP's side. Well it is what it is.
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I am very sorry and pained for what has become of this thread.
Somewhere along the line it has taken the look of finding fault and showing attitudes that are not well explained nor well understood by those who read them.
I do not know whether Ervin could have taken a better decision or not, but he had already taken it. I think we should have stuck to that and proceed from there. Instead of that, the questi?n grew to general laws and offenses and how this or that was unreasonable. I can understand why that happenned, but I think we got away from the question that was raised by Ervin, which is understandable, because fortunately we are all feel strong about sexual crimes, but it is also understandable that it upset our brother, who came for support and got a new judgement or trial and things were surmised.
What brother Ervin wrote about the unfortunate woman (the whore, but still a woman, and an unfortunate one) who suffered his attack when he hadn't still become a believer may have sounded callous, but I do not think that it was taken at the reading end as thought out at the writing one. I do not think Ervin wanted to justify in any way what he did or not be charitable to the poor woman, still poorer if she hasn't got out the "business", and...
I am sorry for the way that has gone this thread and I trust and pray God that we all turn to Him and pray for wisdom.
We have to be able to get the best of people, from everybody, from those poor women who came in the way of Ervin, for people who live afraid of what might happen to them or their children, who may include also those poor women, for people who have found the worst in life and try very hard to find the best, like Ervin...
I am afraid this sounds too goodist and idealist and not down to earth, but that is the way I feel. We all coould have expressed ourselves better and asked some pointed questions before jumping to conclusions or could have done better in expressing our fears or sensitivities or strong views.
I still wish and encourage our brother Ervin to be strong and pure and to have compassion, more of he can, for everybody. It is very difficult for people who have not fallen in the punishing establishment mill to put themselves int he place of those who have. Or may be some of those who have written here in fact know a lot about it and therefore have spoken, I do not know, but what is inside the heads of people and what we get from their words some times may be quite different. Sometimes knowing too much also puts blinders.
May God forgive us all the pain we cause to others so many times inadvertently, and I am sorry if I have been unfair to anybody writing this message.
Let us calm down and may be go about it some other way.
Salaam
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Huruf, I appreciate your kindness and idealism but we all have different ways of seeing the world and responding to it. Empathy is needed and should be tempered with the perception of realities. We all want things to have a good resolution, sometimes it takes time to get there especially when there are issues that people have to work through to get there.
Let me explain what happened on the thread
-Ervin wanted to know if his 'fight' was in an Islamic spirit but he had already made up his mind like on his other thread as to it being one.
-People responded with what it was he wanted to hear and it was all good.
-People responded with what he didn't want to hear and it took a tangential life of it's own; turning it into a battle between various unrelated/irrelevant issues.
Threads usually are organic like this, which is fine as long as they stay somewhere within the vicinity of what has actually been brought up and being discussed. It starts going off the deep end when irrelevance and lack of logic start showing up. Why are you sorry for the way it's gone? Who knows the way it's gone may actually help him and/or others to better understand.
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You keep using that word; I do not think that word means what you think it means. Do get back to us when you have an actual, cogent argument.
Then you're thinking wrong. Have fun serving the government.
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Peace all,
I guess we can only see what the judge thinks now. And Ervin has got his answers. I believe he should be admired for putting his trust in God.4238 And those who have responded to their Lord, and they hold the salat, and their affairs are conducted by mutual consultation among themselves, and from Our provisions to them they give.
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Then you're thinking wrong. Have fun serving the government.
Do you even have an argument here? Or do these irrelevant statements serve a purpose beyond the evident?
Peace all,
I guess we can only see what the judge thinks now. And Ervin has got his answers. I believe he should be admired for putting his trust in God.Yep, lets look on the bright side of life.
What bothers me on this here thread besides the obvious is the whole look for what we think is best in a pile of trash attitude deliberately ignoring everything else in the heap. The mollycoddling approach whilst walking on eggshells because if there's a confrontation and we are perceived as having 'annoyed' the person asking for 'help and support', we are the worst type of people and must ask forgiveness from God for this 'grave sin'. Like we are dealing with children rather than with adults. The way we turn a blind eye to normally weird and offensive statements (they never happened, must've been a misunderstanding, lost in translation, didn't mean it really, even though they repeat and up the ante with each successive post) and continue with the big happy family mindset.
This is a forum for discussion, when something is put up for discussion voluntarily, you will have ALL sorts of opinions on it. The good, the bad and the ugly depending on perspective. I wouldn't want an imposition on the types of responses. This is how we learn, from criticism and from 'support', if we want to. It shouldn't be restricted to 'well, i'd only like to see x type of responses because I think that's really nice n goodly'. Of course, if someone wants to see only a certain type of response, should be clarified from the start, so that we know what the hot buttons are. And whether or not to push them.
As far as the OP and his plight goes
Good luck!
Sincerely,
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Then you're thinking wrong. Have fun serving the government.
Correction. You are not thinking at all. You repeatedly commit logical fallacies. Has nothing to do with the government and you know it. Stick to the topic and actually respond to the arguments. If you don't actually have a logical argument, as you you have demonstrated repeatedly, quit wasting our time. The trolling act was cute at first, now its just tiresome and bland.
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Correction. You are not thinking at all. You repeatedly commit logical fallacies. Has nothing to do with the government and you know it. Stick to the topic and actually respond to the arguments. If you don't actually have a logical argument, as you you have demonstrated repeatedly, quit wasting our time. The trolling act was cute at first, now its just tiresome and bland.
- I am thinking, more than you it seems. 2. Which ones? 3. Yes it does 4. Fine with that 4. Nope 5. What trolling?
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I am thinking, more than you it seems. 2. Which ones? 3. Yes it does 4. Fine with that 4. Nope 5. What trolling?
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Nope. See 2.
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Repeatedly false dichotomy; also known as black or white and either/or fallacy.
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Cherry picking quotes and not responding to actual stated arguments. Don't feel alone, though. You are not the only one.
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Nope. See 2.
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Repeatedly false dichotomy; also known as black or white and either/or fallacy.
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Cherry picking quotes and not responding to actual stated arguments. Don't feel alone, though. You are not the only one.
What? Are you sure you were thinking about my post when replying to me for the first time? I am a little off-topic, but what I said was right though.
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Salam bro Ervin,
I admire you brother for beating drugs, violence, sexual temptations, schizophrenia and probably many other negative character traits of yours with the help of Allah, i understand how hard that must have been.
This is what i got from your story regarding the prostitute
You made a contract with a Prostitute to exchange money for sex. You kept your end of the bargain, she did not. Then you forcefully took what you paid for. You then got imprisoned for that. Did she pay back your money? or get punished for fraud?
You then repented and reformed after being punished for your wrongdoing, while she was ripping people off, polluting the society, spreading fatal deseases and breaking famillies and from what you are saying she still doing it.
Keep on repenting for your wrongdoings to Allah alone, carry on with your fight, if you are right, then Allah will most certainly help you.
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Peace all,
I guess we can only see what the judge thinks now. And Ervin has got his answers. I believe he should be admired for putting his trust in God.Yes, and admired for labeling all those who don't blindly support him as atheist, satan loving, kaafirs. This would be a trait of a self absorbed, egomaniac. There is only right way his way. What does the quran say about ego again?
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Peace, Brother Ervin.
Compliance with the requirements of the Registry and Community Treatment Order should make no noteworthy interference with your enjoyment of your life and freedoms. You have indicated nothing oppressive nor even difficult about the requirements. It should all simplify your life.
There is no good reason for you to be socializing, even "virtually" socializing, with any youngsters. Your contact with youngsters is not essential to your well-being, nor to theirs. You should refuse babysitting requests. If you see youngsters alone and in distress, you can and should call for emergency services responders to assist them.
As savage_carrot and MaverickMonotheist have pointed out, there is a high rate of recidivism among sex offenders.
As you yourself have acknowledged, after several relapses of your sickness, your statistical chance of being cured of schizophrenia is so extremely unlikely that we can fairly agree that recovery would be miraculous.
Your "fight" is a demand that the Officials and Doctors concerned with your case should put at stake the well-being and safety of others in betting that yours is a miraculous case. That is a long shot bet against much needless trouble and suffering at stake. Your "fight" is unreasonable. If you do not recognize this from even these simple terms, your judgment is seriously impaired.
Needless to say, your conscientious compliance with the Registry and Community Treatment Order requirements would be the safest bet for all concerned. Agreeable compliance would be better for you. It should make your life simpler. It should keep you out of trouble. It should keep you out of the Hospital. It should keep you out of Prison.
There are all manner of disabling afflictions that necessarily limit people's options. Nobody would choose those conditions. Mysterious and frustrating as they can be, God assigns them as individual tests. Whatever our difficulties, God has given us assurance that no soul will be burdened beyond its ability to bear.
peace
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Jack, You are only leading your self to evil by your anger. When I posted a few angry messages I was trying to quit cofee and a lots of you attacked me. By the way I succeded in quiting coffee. The only reason I could not quit coffee in the past is because of the drugs they are forcing me to take. When ever I have been sick I was not dangerous. It was only while on drugs. If I was to take drugs now it wouldn't make diference wether or not I am on pharmaceuticals. You put faith in prescription drugs all the way and not on God then you will end up a prescription drug adict.
Right now I am not angry at Jack or anyone else in the world. I reject anger as an evil emotion. Even justice when taken to far becomes evil.
I send love to all of you especially those who I have argued with. If you still want to think that I am egomaniac who doesn't deserve forgiveness then go ahead, but I don't think thats the truth.
You see, I have pleaded quilty and I have been to prison for it. But the registar I reject in obeying any longer because the registar is going a bit to far.
Anyway, check on my new belief, it called Omnism
http//omnism.com/om/home.htm
Thanks
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Yesterday, while reading A New Earth again I realised that I should accept and surender whenever I can so I sent an email to the detective who is my case manager and I told him that I will comply with the register. I believe in Eckharts teachings and its about time I start practising them.
I like all of Eckhart Tolles books very much and he is I believe corect in saying that if you fight and win for instance the fight would just move to something else. I agree that you shouldnt resist wherever you can, since what you resist persists. Ifcourse you can say no and sometimes even walk out but like Eckhart says let it be a non reactive no for instance.
Thoughts