:: Who brought AlQuraan/AlKitaab? Muhammed? NO!!! ::
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Peace mmKhan, how did we all hear the book -- which source and transmission?
Peace brother Noon,
Is it really important? If it is, Allah would have shown us.
I got TheBook from my aunt for the first time, then next copies I bought from a publisher. I am not kidding, this is true as it is irrelevant.
mmKhan
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Thank you for your advice for learning English grammar, I will try, inshaAllah. Now,
Allah knows how to say otherwise...
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267 And when Musa said to his people, "Indeed, Allah commands you to slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you take us in ridicule?" He said, "I seek refuge in Allah from being among the ignorant."Look at the construction of this aayat and then compare it with the one in original post.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan"His Qaum" denotes none else but Bani Israel. And the entire discourse is about reminding the Bani Israel of their past history.
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"His Qaum" denotes none else but Bani Israel. And the entire discourse is about reminding the Bani Israel of their past history.
Did I ask you who his qaum is? BTW, remember always, your words are not at all important to me until you give proper references from AlQuraan.
Why you ignored what I asked you. I said, look at the construction of that aayat which is very very clear unlike the other one and please tell me why it has been designed differently?
mmKhan
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Thank you for your advice for learning English grammar, I will try, inshaAllah. Now,
Allah knows how to say otherwise...
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267 And when Musa said to his people, "Indeed, Allah commands you to slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you take us in ridicule?" He said, "I seek refuge in Allah from being among the ignorant."Look at the construction of this aayat and then compare it with the one in original post.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhanThe other quoted Ayah were
And many other aayaats that supports my understanding, such as
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255 And when you said, "O Musa..."261 ... 261 And when you said, "O Musa, we can never endure one food..."
And also from 263-65
Why YOU is mentioned in these aayaats? What YOU have to do with Musa? Just think.
You thanked for the advice but did not adhere to it. Please accept it and read about Pronouns in some English grammar site on line. What they are, what they represent, when are they used, when are they the subjects and when are they the objects.
The moment you understand Pronouns, you will find the difference and cause of use of different pronouns for second person in the above Ayah.
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Say "We believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit."
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Say "We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit."
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We have inspired you as We had inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And We had inspired Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and Jesus, and Job, and Jonah, and Aaron, and Solomon; and We gave David the Psalms.
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He has decreed for you the same systemHe ordained for Noah, and what We inspired to you, and what We ordained for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus You shall uphold this system, and do not divide in it. Intolerable for the polytheists is what you invite them towards. God chooses for Himself whoever He wills; He guides to Himself those who repent.
Dear mmkhan
God says he has send the same system to all. What I understand is that the book=the law is the same book/law but in Qur'an there may be some new kasas/stories compared to Taurat and njil -
Peace mmkhan and all.
Dear mmkhanYou are absolutely right in your quest to find out for yourself, only seeking help from your creator.That is the correct method to learn the word of GOD.
I am going to add my views for you to reflect further towards finding your answer.GOD has sent the same "Message", All true messengers of GOD are " Rassoul Karim" . They bring the same message. Here are some exract from the "Qoran"
2125 We did not send any messenger before you except with the inspiration "There is no god except Me; you shall worship Me alone."
3965 It has been revealed to you, and to those before you that if you ever commit idol worship, all your works will be nullified, and you will be with the losers.
416 Say, "I am no more than a human being like you, who has been inspired that your god is one god. You shall be devoted to Him, and ask His forgiveness. Woe to the idol worshipers.4143 What is said to you is precisely what was said to the previous messengers. Your Lord possesses forgiveness, and He also possesses painful retribution.
4213 He decreed for you the same System/religion decreed for Noah, and what we inspired to you, and what we decreed for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus "You shall uphold this one religion, and do not divide it." The idol worshipers will greatly resent what you invite them to do. GOD redeems to Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself only those who totally submit.
4215 This is what you shall preach, and steadfastly maintain what you are commanded to do, and do not follow their wishes. And proclaim "I believe in all the scriptures sent down by GOD. I was commanded to judge among you equitably. GOD is our Lord and your Lord. We have our deeds and you have your deeds. There is no argument between us and you. GOD will gather us all together; to Him is the ultimate destiny."
The message is Submission and total loyalty to GOD Alone. Rites/rules may vary because GOD tries believers of different messengers.
Unfortunately very few follow these messengers ( Uphold the authority of GOD Alone, only follow HIS word.354 If they disbelieve you, messengers before you have been disbelieved. GOD is in control of all things.
4221 They follow idols who decree for them religious laws never authorized by GOD. If it were not for the predetermined decision, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the transgressors have incurred a painful retribution.*
4323 Invariably, when we sent a warner to any community, the leaders of that community would say, "We found our parents following certain practices, and we will continue in their footsteps."
You are responsible only for yourself. So you are right to question and only trust in GOD Alone.
4344 This is a message for you and your people; all of you will be questioned.
2784 When they arrive, He(GOD0 will say, "You have rejected My revelations, before acquiring knowledge about them. Is this not what you did?"
Peace.
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The other quoted Ayah were
You thanked for the advice but did not adhere to it. Please accept it and read about Pronouns in some English grammar site on line. What they are, what they represent, when are they used, when are they the subjects and when are they the objects.
The moment you understand Pronouns, you will find the difference and cause of use of different pronouns for second person in the above Ayah.
I know that I did not adhere it because I don't have much time to study languages.
I will thankful to you if you can quote my any aayat showing me its usage that you wanted to say.
May Allah guide us to His true path pr
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Say "We believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit."3 84
Say "We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit."4 163
We have inspired you as We had inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And We had inspired Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and Jesus, and Job, and Jonah, and Aaron, and Solomon; and We gave David the Psalms.42 13
He has decreed for you the same systemHe ordained for Noah, and what We inspired to you, and what We ordained for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus You shall uphold this system, and do not divide in it. Intolerable for the polytheists is what you invite them towards. God chooses for Himself whoever He wills; He guides to Himself those who repent.Dear mmkhan
God says he has send the same system to all. What I understand is that the book=the law is the same book/law but in Qur'an there may be some new kasas/stories compared to Taurat and njilSalaam brother,
Thanks for quoting aayaats. You highlighted "wahi", without going into details, I just wanted to give you some references, inshaAllah you will understand what "wahi" is. Please check - Zachariyya's wahi in 1911, Shaitaan's wahi in 6121, etc.
Brother, I take AlKitaab/TheBook means TEXT/Written. If you search for AlTauraat, you will NOT find that it was given to Musa, if you search for AlQuraan, you will NOT find that it was given to Muhammed, so why to differentiate?
We have to understand that AlQuraan/AlKitaab is from Allah, we need to serve Him by agreeing what He said in it. That is what we have been created for.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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I know that I did not adhere it because I don't have much time to study languages.
I will thankful to you if you can quote my any aayat showing me its usage that you wanted to say.
Such an irrational and illogical answer and understanding through which one has the hallucination of understading Qur'aan is enough for me to say good bye to you. And pray that Shaitaan does not fully overpower you.
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Such an irrational and illogical answer and understanding through which one has the hallucination of understading Qur'aan is enough for me to say good bye to you. And pray that Shaitaan does not fully overpower you.
Is it irrational and illogical answer for you when I say you "the Truth"? Learning English language is NOT necessary for me, you or anyone else. How can you force anyone on that.
Instead, I asked you to get me some aayaats from AlQuraan, is this important or learning English language for you? How you people judge!
Anyways, thanks for your prayers and same to you.
May Allah protect us and guide us to His true path pr
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Is it irrational and illogical answer for you when I say you "the Truth"? Learning English language is NOT necessary for me, you or anyone else. How can you force anyone on that.
Instead, I asked you to get me some aayaats from AlQuraan, is this important or learning English language for you? How you people judge!
Anyways, thanks for your prayers and same to you.
May Allah protect us and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhanNot learning English, but only to know what Pronouns mean and how are they used in the text. Stupid is he who does not know the basics like Pronouns and is boasting like a elevated scholar and passing verdicts even about the Messengers. It is nothing but hallucination and fascination caused by the Shaitaan.
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Mazhar, he wanted more clarification. To say he's being partially overcome by Shaitaan is counter productive. Abusing someone for not knowing grammar and yet daring to try and understand the quran while you do and have it all worked out is a form of elitism. If you can't help clarify your points further regarding what he asked, just walk away.
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Mazhar, he wanted more clarification. To say he's being partially overcome by Shaitaan is counter productive. Abusing someone for not knowing grammar and yet daring to try and understand the quran while you do and have it all worked out is a form of elitism. If you can't help clarify your points further regarding what he asked, just walk away.
The issue is only about pronoun. You ask me placing before me two verses and insist in the manner he is saying, how will I make you understand except telling you to first acquaint yourself with what a Pronoun is in the language and why and where it is used. If you are not willing to know what Pronoun is heavens cant make you understand.
He brings Kum against Tum and makes his philosphy about every subject. One Pronoun is the Object of Verb and the other is the Subject of Verb. When you wish not to know a Pronoun what is the point that I might make you understand what is meant by subject and object in a language.
When people say something that amounts to a loud mouthm in a state of not aware of abc on that issue, rather they should be given a shut up call by the moderator. Freedom of speech does not mean to let every one talk all nonesense and idiotic things unchecked.
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The issue is only about pronoun. You ask me placing before me two verses and insist in the manner he is saying, how will I make you understand except telling you to first acquaint yourself with what a Pronoun is in the language and why and where it is used. If you are not willing to know what Pronoun is heavens cant make you understand.
He brings Kum against Tum and makes his philosphy about every subject. One Pronoun is the Object of Verb and the other is the Subject of Verb. When you wish not to know a Pronoun what is the point that I might make you understand what is meant by subject and object in a language.
When people say something that amounts to a loud mouthm in a state of not aware of abc on that issue, rather they should be given a shut up call by the moderator. Freedom of speech does not mean to let every one talk all nonesense and idiotic things unchecked.
Did you try to explain me your point? NO!
Did you try to give me an example? NO!
Did you try to show me an aayat to explain your point? NO!
Then what you were doing? You know exactly what you were doing already.Anyways, as per my understanding
Mazher always try to convince mmKhan without bringing forward any proof. He always do that to me.
As per the above sentence, "Mazher" is Subject and "mmKhan" is Object. And "He" is subject pronoun and "me" is object pronoun.
Am I correct sir? If not, please correct me and then put forward your point. If I am right, then what is your point?
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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Did you try to explain me your point? NO!
Did you try to give me an example? NO!
Did you try to show me an aayat to explain your point? NO!
Then what you were doing? You know exactly what you were doing already.Anyways, as per my understanding
Mazher always try to convince mmKhan without bringing forward any proof. He always do that to me.
As per the above sentence, "Mazher" is Subject and "mmKhan" is Object. And "He" is subject pronoun and "me" is object pronoun.
Am I correct sir? If not, please correct me and then put forward your point. If I am right, then what is your point?
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhanrotfl
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Okay, that was amusing.
Shut up calls? lol
I'd better start revising my pronouns now... P
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Did you try to explain me your point? NO!
I had no point. I will try to explain your point.
Allah knows how to say otherwise...
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267 And when Musa said to his people, "Indeed, Allah commands you to slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you take us in ridicule?" He said, "I seek refuge in Allah from being among the ignorant."A pronoun refers to a Noun which has already been stated. Musa alahisalam said to HIS Nation. Now he is addressing his nation and Kum refers to his people with whom is face to face. And Kum is the Object of Verb.
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255 And when you said, "O Musa..."261 ... 261 And when you said, "O Musa, we can never endure one food..."
The people referred by this pronoun are same people who are in the first example. Only role is different, now they are the Subject of Verb.
Moreover only the first consonant is second prerson pronoun and Meem indicates plurality.
Pronouns
Pronouns in Arabic belong to the category of "nouns." Therefore, everything that applies to nouns will apply to them. Pronouns have genders, numbers, and grammatical case. Pronouns are always definite nouns.
Pronouns in Arabic are four categories
Subject Pronouns
Separate Subject Pronouns
Attached Subject Pronouns
Object Pronouns
Separate Object Pronouns
Attached Object Pronouns
There is no harm in going through these 4-5 pages
Pronouns
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Yes sir. I'll get right on it.
Tbh Mazhar, when you explain things normally, I learn a lot from your posts. It's when you start with the arcane grammar speak that people's eyes generally glaze over. For example 'broken feminine plural'...and a silence descends in which we absorb the awe of what has just been revealed. To most it's like yeah and? To some it's maybe I shouldn't say anything at this point because it obviously must mean something important but I don't know why and I won't ask because what if everyone else knows and I'm the only one who doesn't. A few ask for further clarification and get abused for it p
But I appreciate you taking the time out and explaining things for those of us who have no idea what your point is )
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I had no point. I will try to explain your point.
Allah knows how to say otherwise...
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267 And when Musa said to his people, "Indeed, Allah commands you to slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you take us in ridicule?" He said, "I seek refuge in Allah from being among the ignorant."A pronoun refers to a Noun which has already been stated. Musa alahisalam said to HIS Nation. Now he is addressing his nation and Kum refers to his people with whom is face to face. And Kum is the Object of Verb.
Oh! Thanks for accepting that you don't have any point. I was simply taking stress!
I know that, where did I say KUM is not referring to HIS people?
The people referred by this pronoun are same people who are in the first example. Only role is different, now they are the Subject of Verb.
Moreover only the first consonant is second prerson pronoun and Meem indicates plurality.
Now, here is the problem! How can you decide that people referred by this pronoun are same people mentioned in 267? This is what I was asking you for supporting aayat for your claim.
When Allah used KUM in 267, to avoid confusion, He clearly mentioned by adding "li-qaumihi", so that you should not take it to yourselves unlike 255
Otherwise, why it has not been clarified in 255 by adding the same or similar word? There are no assumptions in TheBook of Allah, everything has been made very clear. But you are assuming that 255 refers to same people mentioned in 267 without any support from other aayaats.
Did you get my point? This was my point when I asked you to compare the construction and design of those two aayaats. Didn't I say knowing about pronouns or English language is irrelevant to understand Allah's message?
Pronouns
Pronouns in Arabic belong to the category of "nouns." Therefore, everything that applies to nouns will apply to them. Pronouns have genders, numbers, and grammatical case. Pronouns are always definite nouns.
Pronouns in Arabic are four categories
Subject Pronouns
Separate Subject Pronouns
Attached Subject Pronouns
Object Pronouns
Separate Object Pronouns
Attached Object Pronouns
There is no harm in going through these 4-5 pages
Pronouns
I am really thankful for explaining all this and thanks for the link.
BTW, is that you Mazhar in that picture in given link above? If it is you, where is your beard brother? Oh sorry for fftopic
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan