Inheritance: Daughter not Son is the central theme of Inheritance.
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Cant we just let people themselves decide who they want to inherit after them ?? If someone wants to give all his property to his daughter and nothing to his son, then let him.
Peace
Peace -- that is always the case, one can make out a will at anytime.
We are talking case no will the inheritance verses kick in to arbitrate.Mazhar -- people are still waiting for your answer to the above case.
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Allah the Exalted has given him the authority to bequeath in respect of part of his wealth at the time of death. But Noon wishes to take it away to keep his mathematics hundred percent.
He can transfer the title of his entire wealth to whomever he wishes during his life time, thereby, he will be leaving nothing as inheritance since that wealth was no more owned by him in case of his death. However, he will make himself as unjust person by giving his wealth to only one of his relative ignoring the rights of others.He would also be unjust if he gave more of his wealth to one relative than the other. If someone wants to giv everything to his daughter and not his son than why is that a problem ? Isn't he the owner ?
And I actually agree more with noon here than you. You dont really answer his questions. Somehow you seem have very "Sunni" ideas .
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Peace -- that is always the case, one can make out a will at anytime.
We are talking case no will the inheritance verses kick in to arbitrate.Mazhar -- people are still waiting for your answer to the above case.
Okay thanks for the correction . I wrongly thought the inheritance laws were forced on people.
Peace
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I think in most Muslim countries the inheritance laws are enforced upon peopler which I thinks works in favour of women.
In India Hindu women do not inherit and Pakistan is culturally the same so many girls could have lost their right to inherit if people had choice. In many rich families often boys are in control of business as well as the parents and there is a strong desire to keep money within the family.
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I'm not running away from anything and the fact is siblings ONLY inherit if kalalah (i.e. no father/spouse) therefore.
Now it's you who cannot apply Qur'an in practice if your life depended on it and only rant gibberish and run away!You can simply prove me wrong and distribute according to Qur'an (tell us which verses you are using)
mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother
OK let's go, prove me wrong and I'll thank you; people are waiting for your answer -- please?
Sorry, you are running out patience, however, here problem is of bad weather, electric failur system switching from electric to generator and to electric, internet service getting interrupted.
Had you taken a little botheration of opening the link of article, you might had find it in first part.
The sequence mentioned by you is not the sequence chosen by Allah the Exalted for inheritance discourse.
The priorty sequence of relations and relevant nearness is in this order
Progenies Daughter and son; mother and father; wife and husband; and then what is termed Nearer Relatives sister and brother, and relatives include orphaned grand progeny, grand mother and father, cousins, nephews, patronised persons. Others to be considered by the dying person for bequeath is the alienated wife who is still in the restraint period.
The mourners in this case proposed by you in order of preference as selected by Allah the Exalted is
Progenies A Daughter and Son= 3 feminine shares.Allah the Exalted commands and binds you concerning distribution of inheritance-moveable and immovable assets amongst the grouped Progenies of you people. The Semblance of share of Two Feminine is to be apportioned for the Male progeny.
By laying down the general principle that the semblance of share of two feminine shall be apportioned for a male progeny, the grouped Progenies- are covered irrespective of their number and gender composition.
One daughter and one son equals three feminine shares.What is the Mandatory allocation if there are progenies to have two, three or more feminine shares?
Thereby, should there be women, over and above two feminine progeny, thereat, the Two Third of that, which he the deceased has left behind, shall be allocated for them.
The point that the conditional clause includes two feminine of any age, irrespective of marital status whether virgins or married, and more than two feminine progeny is evident from the deficient perfect verb in jussive state which has suffixed plural feminine pronoun referring back to feminine noun progenies, and its predicate also is plural women. The subsequent clause portraying a different ground situation leaves no room to deny that the share of inheritance shall be two-third in case of there being only two daughters in the progeny of deceased.
And in case the the progeny were a solitary feminine, thereby, the half of that, which he the deceased has left behind, shall be allocated for her.
The injunction in earlier part of the Ayah covers the share allocated for the progenies of those Men who were granted either daughters, or in combination sons also. Their share shall not exceed two-third of the inheritance left by the deceased. Since the sharing in case of progenies is to start with a feminine, therefore, if the deceased has left a daughter and a son this means three feminine shares because the share resembling share of two feminine is to be allocated for a male. This takes care of all the progeny regardless how many are they. Two third of the Inheritance is reservedly allocated for them in all circumstances.
Daughter and Son get two third. It leaves 1/3rd in the Divisible Inheritance left at the disposal of the person to bequeath for his mother, and father. Depending upon the volume of wealth, he can give something to his brother and sister if he so likes without overstepping the relative nearness.
Now recall what I told you about the Noun and Ikhwatun.
Leave your habit of reading and translating Arabic treating it as if it were a germanic language. I hope now you understand that the Noun of plural and signular deficient verb Kana refer back to and you might perceive the delecacy and superbness in the choice of words for giving instructions about inheritance. -
I think in most Muslim countries the inheritance laws are enforced upon peopler which I thinks works in favour of women.
In India Hindu women do not inherit and Pakistan is culturally the same so many girls could have lost their right to inherit if people had choice. In many rich families often boys are in control of business as well as the parents and there is a strong desire to keep money within the family.
SalaamAllah the Exalted has authoritatively fixed the shares in all cases where people can abuse the rights of weaker segement of their families.
The cause of abuse is this
The love and desire of sensual excitements and gratifications has become fascinatingly attractive in the women and the Sons;
So have become the desire to have a state of hoarded abundance of the Gold and the Silver, and the marked-pedigree horses , and abundance of herbivore-mammals, and for plenty of harvesting lands.
This is the wealth-sustenance-provision of transitory worldly life.People usurp the rightful share of weaker segments
And you people eat away the inheritance, in the manner of devouring-absorbing others share.
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Sorry, you are running out patience, however, here problem is of bad weather, electric failur system switching from electric to generator and to electric, internet service getting interrupted.
You're babbling -- I asked you Mazhar, a simple question; distribute shares
mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother
Instead of answering all you do is rant because you are obviously clueless!
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I think in most Muslim countries the inheritance laws are enforced upon peopler which I thinks works in favour of women.
In India Hindu women do not inherit and Pakistan is culturally the same so many girls could have lost their right to inherit if people had choice. In many rich families often boys are in control of business as well as the parents and there is a strong desire to keep money within the family.
SalaamNo you are wrong. I have been in india and met hindu women who inherit property so yes In India hindu women do inherit property.
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No you are wrong. I have been in india and met hindu women who inherit property so yes In India hindu women do inherit property.
Ignorant as always you need to rely more on solid information rather than your odd visit, its only in 2005 India introduced women's equall rights to inherit where there was no will left.
You spend too much time on sunnies, for a change do some reading on the history of women's inheritance rights not only in India but in also in Europe including Sweden and Uk, where until last century women had no right to inherit in the absence of a will, and if they did inherit they were still under the power of a male guardian, when they married what ever they owned was inherited by their husbands who than became their gurdians. yes -
You're babbling -- I asked you Mazhar, a simple question; distribute shares
mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother
Instead of answering all you do is rant because you are obviously clueless!
You seem to have gone blind of heart. You did not read, shares are given alongwith Ayah.
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You seem to have gone blind of heart. You did not read, shares are given alongwith Ayah.
Then what are you afraid of? Tell us how to distribute? Perhaps you are clueless?
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Daughter and Son get two third. It leaves 1/3rd in the Divisible Inheritance left at the disposal of the person to bequeath for his mother, and father. Depending upon the volume of wealth, he can give something to his brother and sister if he so likes without overstepping the relative nearness.
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That was not an answer! It was also the wrong answer for son and daughter; 2/3 is to females!
411... so if kunna/are (feminine plural) nisa/women above two (feminine) falahunna/so to them (feminine) thulutha (2/3)
Again like the coward and too proud to admit error you ran away! I asked you to distribute these...
mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother
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That was not an answer! It was also the wrong answer for son and daughter; 2/3 is to females!
411... so if kunna/are (feminine plural) nisa/women above two (feminine) falahunna/so to them (feminine) thulutha (2/3)
Again like the coward and too proud to admit error you ran away!
How many times should I tell you that you do not know Arabic. You treat it as if it were a germanic language.
Even perhaps you do not know the grammar of English language.
Look at the Verb. Blue part is Plural Feminine Pronoun and even an idiot knows that a Pronoun refers back to a a specific Noun. Tell me to whom it links and describes?
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How many times should I tell you that you do not know Arabic. You treat it as if it were a germanic language.
Even perhaps you do not know the grammar of English language.
Look at the Verb. Blue part is Plural Feminine Pronoun and even an idiot knows that a Pronoun refers back to a a specific Noun. Tell me to whom it links and describes?You're a clueless idiot! Tell us how falahunna/so to them (feminine) can be other than to females?
Likewise you are a coward and a run away! You like threes, here then distribute inheritance for these...
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Mazhar on Today at 062716 AM
How many times should I tell you that you do not know Arabic. You treat it as if it were a germanic language.Even perhaps you do not know the grammar of English language.
Look at the Verb. Blue part is Plural Feminine Pronoun and even an idiot knows that a Pronoun refers back to a a specific Noun. Tell me to whom it links and describes?You're a clueless idiot! Tell us how falahunna/so to them (feminine) can be other than to females?
Why are you exposing yourself? Do you not know that Hunna-a plural feminine pronoun refers back to identified and known women, and so is the Noon in Kunna. Who are those women you are reffering by pronoun "them"? Identify and relate them.
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Why are you exposing yourself? Do you not know that Hunna-a plural feminine pronoun refers back to identified and known women, and so is the Noon in Kunna. Who are those women you are reffering by pronoun "them"? Identify and relate them.
O' now you admit it refers back to women; so you contradict yourself by allocating 2/3 to son and daughter?
Likewise you admit son and daughter case allocate shares to them (wrongly); still avoid giving distributions?
Run away Mazhar run!
You're a clueless idiot! Tell us how falahunna/so to them (feminine) can be other than to females?
Likewise you are a coward and a run away! You like threes, here then distribute inheritance for these...
- mother, father, son
- mother, father, daughter
- mother, father, wife
- mother, father, husband
- mother, father, sister
- mother, father, brother
- mother, son, daughter
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Quote from Mazhar on Today at 070640 AM
Why are you exposing yourself? Do you not know that Hunna-a plural feminine pronoun refers back to identified and known women, and so is the Noon in Kunna. Who are those women you are reffering by pronoun "them"? Identify and relate them.O' now you admit it refers back to women; so you contradict yourself by allocating 2/3 to son and daughter?
It seems that the point has finally got in to your brain. But are still shy to boldly accept it and stop playing with words.
Look how much you have eaten up in one simple sentence of Arabic, thereby, building up a theses without known what is stated therein.
411... so if kunna/are (feminine plural) nisa/women above two (feminine) falahunna/so to them (feminine) thulutha (2/3
so if be females above two (feminine) so for them two thirds what left
There is a visible Pronoun in it. Almost all the translators tried to mention it by using adverb "there" which can be used as Pronoun introducing a sentence stating that something exists, develops, or can be seen. However, they overlooked that in Arabic it is not the case. In Arabic the Visible and Hidden Pronoun of a Verb must link back to known entity-entities or its Subject must be mentioned after it.
The above is undeniable established fact in linguistics.
Ponder over it, and let it get in memory. It will facilitate me making and you to understand what is stated in the sentence and in following clauses. -
It seems that the point has finally got in to your brain. But are still shy to boldly accept it and stop playing with words.
Look how much you have eaten up in one simple sentence of Arabic, thereby, building up a theses without known what is stated therein.
There is a visible Pronoun in it. Almost all the translators tried to mention it by using adverb "there" which can be used as Pronoun introducing a sentence stating that something exists, develops, or can be seen. However, they overlooked that in Arabic it is not the case. In Arabic the Visible and Hidden Pronoun of a Verb must link back to known entity-entities or its Subject must be mentioned after it.
The above is undeniable established fact in linguistics.
Ponder over it, and let it get in memory. It will facilitate me making and you to understand what is stated in the sentence and in following clauses.Why you still ranting, running away, trying to switch, and hide under bushes of grammar?
You now admit 2/3 is to women! You wrongly told a user 2/3 is to 1 daughter and 2 sons!
You wrote an article on inheritance and when asked to distribute -- you ran like a coward!I'll ask you again; distribute the shares otherwise stay away from things you are clueless!
Two inheritors...
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Cant we just let people themselves decide who they want to inherit after them ?? If someone wants to give all his property to his daughter and nothing to his son, then let him.
Peace
That would be unjust, also nobody "owns" anything. Allah says everything belongs to Him and He doesn't like injustice.