a muslim gurl whos having a secret relationship with a non-muslim guy
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Wow, that's just how it was for me, except the other way around. For the first 1.5 years of dating my now wife, i was an atheist, or agnostic, and she was Muslim. We broke up for various reasons and one of the things i had to do for her to take me back was convert to Islam, and i did it, even though i didn't really believe. But i researched more into it and ended up truly believing, and then it went so far that i discovered quran alone and turned her from Sunni to Qur'an alone.
Obviously you shouldn't break up with your boyfriend to make him convert, but you should tell him how much it means to you, if he loves you he will at least have the courtesy to research it, i think first you should just introduce him to the concept of God, it's easier to swallow from an atheist view than organised religion. Hopefully like me he will come to the logical conclusion that theism makes more sense than atheism.
Whether or not he has to be Muslim for you to be together is debatable but it seems you want him to be.
Wow! You should tell us more about your journey. How did you become Quranist and how did you convince your wife to do the same.
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Wow! You should tell us more about your journey. How did you become Quranist and how did you convince your wife to do the same.
Well coming to Islam from an atheist view it was easy to see the hadith for what they were and i was suspicious of them from the start, i haven't had the Islamic upbringing where everything revolves around hadith, the idea that someone could know what a man said 200 years later just by oral tradition seemed completely bogus to me, then i came across all the traditional sunni Islamic traditions, no music, grow a beard, even the crazy ones like which foot you step out of the bathroom with, i simply could not accept that at all, and i knew it was coming from these hadiths. I thought why can't i just go by the Qur'an, i really like the Qur'an, and i thought i would just do that before i even knew it was a whole big thing, i then researched it and found this site as well as so many others and realised so many people think the same as me, it was great. So yea i pretty much skipped Sunni Islam right from the beginning. As for my wife, who was my girlfriend then, i told her about it, and she initially was skeptical, she showed me verses she thought supported hadith, but i quickly showed her many against them and explained her Qur'an was a hadith influenced one, she believed me the next day after sleeping on it, she said it made so much more sense and that the hadith had actually always given her doubts over Islam but she didn't want to doubt them, because she has had the sunni Muslim upbringing. I'm glad she believed me so quick, she's a smart girl, she won't oppose something just because it's how she has been raised, she studied it herself after i told her and came to the conclusion that it's right.
That's pretty much it, don't really want to derail the thread about me ;D
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Oh my god. Dude, it's so obvious that you was raised as a hadither.
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I came to Islam with no Islamic upbringing you fool. You insult me and you insult your own intelligence with such ignorant, assuming and baseless statements.
I converted in a non-Islamic country and have never accepted hadith which is why I ended up on this site in the first place.
Furthermore your ignorance is insulting to people who may have actually been raised Sunni and eventually changed their beliefs to follow the Qur'an alone.
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Salam Mmkhan! Nice to "talk" to you again, it's been a while.....
You are IMO one of the best arab translators here on this forum. Unfortunately I do not speak arabic. I am not using that as an excuse, it's just a matter of fact. I must rely on a translation of the Quran, and so far the best translation I have found is in my native tongue. It actually agrees with your translations in many verses.....One other thing I like about my Quran is that the interpreter GRHS, was a diplomat, a devout muslim and he completely refused to recognise hadith as a tool to translate the Quran. Whenever he had a footnote that has to do with hadith he always wrote
"according to tradition"........which in my book gives him a lot of credibility.Salaam brother Emil, very nice talking to you again handshake
Thanks for you good words. Even if you don't know Arabic, please try to follow Arabic words, it will help you a lot, inshaAllah . And you really cannot rely 100% on any translation , because of 482, you have to keep this always in mind. But with the help of our TheCreator, you seem to have a better translation than others. But please cross check it always.
Anyways the translation I have states "Och gift inte bort era d?ttrar med m?n som dyrkar avgudar f?rr?n de blivit troende" (and do not marry off your daughters). No brackets in my Quran..... I am sorry but I cannot trust any other translation until clearly proven it is wrong. The proof must come from a very good source.....not from a forum......
Please check 2827
2827
2827 He said, "Indeed, I wish to wed you one of these, my two daughters, on that you serve me for eight years; but if you complete ten, it will be from you. And I do not wish to put you in difficulty. You will find me, if Allah wills, from among the righteous.""Unkihaka" in above aayat and "Tunkihoo" from 2221. Both are imperfect verb
If you notice, "my two daughters" are mentioned in 2827 where it is absent in 2221. Tunkihoo in 2221 can be translated as "give in marriage", no daughters, sisters, mother, cousins are mentioned in this aayat, it is open for all.
With regards to kaffirs I completely disagree with you. A kaffir is someone who denies Allah, someone who covers the truth.
471 Those who disbelieve and avert from the way of Allah - He will waste their deeds.That is my definition of kaffir, not someone who is "the opposite of momin"
I respect your disagreement with me.
I think you are getting confuse with two different words brother kafir and kuffar. Remember double "F" in "kuffar", you will find a small "w" on letter "fa" in Arabic if you notice, unlike "kafir"
Please check 4734 similar to what you have quoted and check the translation of both aayaats.
241, 390 and many more explains what means Kafir, it is used in opposite to Imaan in many aayaats.
4829 explains well to Kuffar, that means one who hide. Further to clarify it more, please check 2271, 3196, 589, etc.
Hope you understand my point inshaAllah.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan -
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I came to Islam with no Islamic upbringing you fool. You insult me and you insult your own intelligence with such ignorant, assuming and baseless statements.
I converted in a non-Islamic country and have never accepted hadith which is why I ended up on this site in the first place.
Furthermore your ignorance is insulting to people who may have actually been raised Sunni and eventually changed their beliefs to follow the Qur'an alone.
The best answer to a hadither is silence .
Peace
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The best answer to a hadither is silence .
Peace
Are you a child? I'm not a hadither and never have been.
The best answer to a fool is laughter rotfl
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Well coming to Islam from an atheist view it was easy to see the hadith for what they were and i was suspicious of them from the start, i haven't had the Islamic upbringing where everything revolves around hadith, the idea that someone could know what a man said 200 years later just by oral tradition seemed completely bogus to me, then i came across all the traditional sunni Islamic traditions, no music, grow a beard, even the crazy ones like which foot you step out of the bathroom with, i simply could not accept that at all, and i knew it was coming from these hadiths. I thought why can't i just go by the Qur'an, i really like the Qur'an, and i thought i would just do that before i even knew it was a whole big thing, i then researched it and found this site as well as so many others and realised so many people think the same as me, it was great. So yea i pretty much skipped Sunni Islam right from the beginning. As for my wife, who was my girlfriend then, i told her about it, and she initially was skeptical, she showed me verses she thought supported hadith, but i quickly showed her many against them and explained her Qur'an was a hadith influenced one, she believed me the next day after sleeping on it, she said it made so much more sense and that the hadith had actually always given her doubts over Islam but she didn't want to doubt them, because she has had the sunni Muslim upbringing. I'm glad she believed me so quick, she's a smart girl, she won't oppose something just because it's how she has been raised, she studied it herself after i told her and came to the conclusion that it's right.
That's pretty much it, don't really want to derail the thread about me ;D
Thank you for sharing your story with us brother . I have always been interested in what happens when An atheist becomes a believer. Most of the atheist I know are very nice and helpful people. So somehow it seems like you don't have to believe in god in order to be a good human being. But you need to believe in god in order to know "the truth" and that's a different story.
May god bless you and your wife . Amen.
Peace
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I think you are getting confuse with two different words brother kafir and kuffar. Remember double "F" in "kuffar", you will find a small "w" on letter "fa" in Arabic if you notice, unlike "kafir"
Please check 4734 similar to what you have quoted and check the translation of both aayaats.
241, 390 and many more explains what means Kafir, it is used in opposite to Imaan in many aayaats.
4829 explains well to Kuffar, that means one who hide. Further to clarify it more, please check 2271, 3196, 589, etc.
Hope you understand my point inshaAllah.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhanmmkhan,
Thanks so much for this! It helped clear up some stuff for me when trying to read and recognize the arabic words. Something so easy, but never took notice.
THANKS
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mmkhan,
Thanks so much for this! It helped clear up some stuff for me when trying to read and recognize the arabic words. Something so easy, but never took notice.
THANKS
Salaam Indelwyn,
You are welcome. I am happy that it helped you by my TheCreator's permission.
Praise be to our Lord! Alhamdulillah!
mmKhan
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Salaam Indelwyn,
You are welcome. I am happy that it helped you by my TheCreator's permission.
Praise be to our Lord! Alhamdulillah!
mmKhan
Intresting. Well according to sectarians kuffar is plural of kafir.
Anyway thanks for Sharing your knOwledge brother.
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Intresting. Well according to sectarians kuffar is plural of kafir.
Anyway thanks for Sharing your knOwledge brother.
Salaam Maha,
You are welcome sister.
If so, then what about tashdeed on fa? Tashdeed represent two. Please check an example
727
Sahih International And they had thought, as you thought, that Allah would never send anyone .
Pickthall And indeed they supposed, even as ye suppose, that Allah would not raise anyone (from the dead) -
Yusuf Ali 'And they (came to) think as ye thought, that Allah would not raise up any one (to Judgment).
Shakir And that they thought as you think, that Allah would not raise anyone
Muhammad Sarwar Those people thought, like you, that God would never send down a Messenger.
Mohsin Khan 'And they thought as you thought, that All?h will not send any Messenger (to mankind or jinns).
Arberry and they thought, even as you also thought, that God would never raise up anyone.
Hope this may help inshaAllah.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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I thought a Kafir is someone who covers the truth.
BTW, not every non-Muslim is a kafir.
Actually, yes, yes they are. Quranically speaking a "muslim" is someone who submits to God. If they do not submit then they are in a state of kufr as was Iblis when he refused to yield. Let's call a spade a spade here. A person may believe in God's existence but still be a kaffir. But if a person does not believe in God's existence despite clear evidence then they are certainly a kaffir.
Too many people want to fluff the deen so liberals can smell sweet smelling rosy farts about "Islam" but that is not the way forward. There is no need to pander, no need to rationalise. No ism will ever replace the truth, so trying to conform "humanism", "secularism", whatever to the simple truth of God & judgement day will never work. We are not equal and not all humans are nice, kind beings. If they were then certainly humanism and secularism would work but for as long as ulterior motives and evil exist these "everyone is equal" philosophies will only create chaos and we see it happening throughout the world in real time.
The way forward is to eradicate disinformation about who and who is not a kaffir because those who wish to divert from God have created the perception that if you have the faintest of reasonable doubts about God then you are a kaffir doomed to hell/beheading in this life. But that's a case of the actions following the label when in reality the label is assigned after the actions. Let people see the real face of islam and judge for themselves with a clear picture; those who wish to believe the fluffy version over the hard truth of accountability were never really submitters to begin with. God will not pander to these people on the last day, He will destroy them beyond comprehension.
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Actually, yes, yes they are. Quranically speaking a "muslim" is someone who submits to God. If they do not submit then they are in a state of kufr as was Iblis when he refused to yield. Let's call a spade a spade here. A person may believe in God's existence but still be a kaffir. But if a person does not believe in God's existence despite clear evidence then they are certainly a kaffir.
Too many people want to fluff the deen so liberals can smell sweet smelling rosy farts about "Islam" but that is not the way forward. There is no need to pander, no need to rationalise. No ism will ever replace the truth, so trying to conform "humanism", "secularism", whatever to the simple truth of God & judgement day will never work. We are not equal and not all humans are nice, kind beings. If they were then certainly humanism and secularism would work but for as long as ulterior motives and evil exist these "everyone is equal" philosophies will only create chaos and we see it happening throughout the world in real time.
The way forward is to eradicate disinformation about who and who is not a kaffir because those who wish to divert from God have created the perception that if you have the faintest of reasonable doubts about God then you are a kaffir doomed to hell/beheading in this life. But that's a case of the actions following the label when in reality the label is assigned after the actions. Let people see the real face of islam and judge for themselves with a clear picture; those who wish to believe the fluffy version over the hard truth of accountability were never really submitters to begin with. God will not pander to these people on the last day, He will destroy them beyond comprehension.
Conservatism can be more dangerous to the deen than liberalism. Look at the Sunnis and Shias and look at the Rabbis.
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The two sides of the political spectrum only create two different flavours of problems. To correct my use of a politically charged term, I meant 'doubters'. Contemporary "no such thing as good or evil" types. This is becoming very common and it's ridiculous watching quranists, having rejected the clear deception of one sect then turning around and trying to almost befriend another sect. I see believers doing things like mentioning God and appending (if he exists) as if they're afraid of those who know only conjecture. What are you doing pretending to be blind, when you have a light?
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The two sides of the political spectrum only create two different flavours of problems. To correct my use of a politically charged term, I meant 'doubters'. Contemporary "no such thing as good or evil" types. This is becoming very common and it's ridiculous watching quranists, having rejected the clear deception of one sect then turning around and trying to almost befriend another sect. I see believers doing things like mentioning God and appending (if he exists) as if they're afraid of those who know only conjecture. What are you doing pretending to be blind, when you have a light?
But we must also be careful and regognize that the background many Quranist comes from can play a huge role in how he understands things. Many times Quranist who are influenced by Sunni Islam or live in countries were societies are very restrictive often bring these ideas with them. We must first try to understand how the Quran sees things. There are different types of kaffirs the Quran tells us about. Some were skeptical others mocked the prophet and others tried to kill him. In Medina there were the hypocrites who prayed with the believers but the Quran considered them more dangerous than the pagans of Mecca. So its normal for people to understand a kaffir differently. Some see it as a theological issue while others see it as a behavioral issue. The Koran places certain characters with a kaffir. It may se the issue differently than how humans sees it since God sees the heart of humans while we don't. This is not Sunni Islam where everything is neatly categorized and where they have the 5 pillars to categorize who is a kaffir. Many Sunnis consider all of us as kaffirs. So we must first try to see how the Quran sees it and this takes reflection and most of all eleminating many ideas we were raised with.