Why do you reject hadiths
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For those who say "Obey Allah and Obey the Messenger" means to Follow the message so you are obeying Messenger and in turn Obeying Allah
461 And when it is said to them, "Come to what Allah has revealed and to the Messenger," you see the hypocrites turning away from you in aversion.
Now explain why "Messenger" is separated from "what Allah has revealed".
All those who say that Satan has misguided more than 90% of Muslims and they are following conjecture, please prove that Satan HAS NOT distorted the original Quran and you are following the same verses that were revealed to the Messenger in its correct form.
And I can see how all the questions I asked with the Quranic verse are still unanswered ).
Someone said that they got "I am holiest than thou attitude" . I am not at all trying to give this attitude if someone gets this impression that I am implying that I AM more holy than you guys, its wrong , I am here just to learn and to understand your arguments and arguments can only be understood if we keep "arguing". After few days I will give you guys a surprise )
I have some more food of thought for you.
It says in the Quran to shorten the prayer when you travel. How long do you have to travel in order to be eligible to have this privilege? How short do you have to cut the prayer?
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Really, do you even know what hadiths are ? they are the same traditions that you are claiming to be passed down on us from Muhammad and Muslims around Him . First learn what hadiths are. Bukhari and others simply collected the same narrations or passed down chains that you are talking about.
Lol. First you said that Hadiths are conjecture and Satan has misguided more than 90% Muslims, but now you are following same Muslims , how you are sure that Satan has not poisoned the way of Salat ?
That might be correct in some part of the universe, but I will never, ever, ver, er, rrrr accept that the Prophet, mercy to mankind, the excellent pattern said that woman who wears perfume equals adulteress and many other nonsense. It just doesn't look like an excellent pattern. So, I dismiss it.
As for salat, well I thought about that too, but I realised that it couldn't be since all I do while praying, call it "sunni way", is glorifying God, which is exactly what God wants me to do.
See, your problem and problem of many other people here is arrogance, which leads all of you to conclusion "My way is the right way" and makes you blinded by your own faith. I don't really care if you're a hadith lover, as long as you believe that there is ONLY ONE GOD, and accept His messengers as a group of people with the same, universal message I will respect you. And I wish God would guide us all.
Salaams.
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That might be correct in some part of the universe, but I will never, ever, ver, er, rrrr accept that the Prophet, mercy to mankind, the excellent pattern said that woman who wears perfume equals adulteress and many other nonsense. It just doesn't look like an excellent pattern. So, I dismiss it.
As for salat, well I thought about that too, but I realised that it couldn't be since all I do while praying, call it "sunni way", is glorifying God, which is exactly what God wants me to do.
See, your problem and problem of many other people here is arrogance, which leads all of you to conclusion "My way is the right way" and makes you blinded by your own faith. I don't really care if you're a hadith lover, as long as you believe that there is ONLY ONE GOD, and accept His messengers as a group of people with the same, universal message I will respect you. And I wish God would guide us all.
Salaams.
Arrogance ?? can you please point out where i was arrogant ? I am just posting questions and seeking answers . Most of the time I get "arrogant" replies from you guys as "Hadithers are insance", "They are mindless", "Hadithers are satans"," they are satan followers".
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Peace rameez.
Why are you quoting verses from Qoran?
You do not believe it is from GOD, since you are asking for proof. This is hypocrisy?
Your have double standards. You do not accept the authority of GOD , you believe there is a bigger authority that "abrogates" some verses. Even though GOD clearly says there is no contradiction in Qoran.
Yet you are asking us to explain verses out of context. Verses that you do not understand and you are mistranslating.
You say you want to learn? So far you seem to be of the following1746] We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone, they run away in aversion]
You have your beliefs and we have ours.
Peace.
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Arrogance ?? can you please point out where i was arrogant ? I am just posting questions and seeking answers . Most of the time I get "arrogant" replies from you guys as "Hadithers are insance", "They are mindless", "Hadithers are satans"," they are satan followers".
It's your "tone" I think and a manner in which you debate. Yes, you are posting questions, but you don't seem to read answers, or at least you are not thinking about them.
I don't recall calling you any such names, nor do I wish to call you like that. If I did, I apologise.
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Salaam ramirez sory for entering debate with few questions
Why would Allah(CReator) need books of hadiths from persian colectors hundreds years after Ra?ulLALah to explain Quran Wich is completed detailed and a Guide and An-Nur to Mankind?
WHY milions still pray SALAT if the Ulemma already get in mutual concensus that Salawat is divine LAWS?.... check journal Ahl-Hadith 1997 about this issue
Before I proceed further, I deem it of utmost importance to
refer to an article that was published in the Journal of Ahl-e-
Hadith, the issue of 19-25 November, 1997, under the title
?Aqamat-e-Salaat?. Please have a look.
?As-Salaat is a fundamental aspect of Islamic discipline and
the kind of social order the Quran is desirous of establishing,
it wishes to define that by the comprehensive term of
Aqamat as-Salaat.
The meanings of Salaat, according to its Root ( ) , are
to follow someone?s
Footsteps and move on. Therefore, in the light of authentic
Arabic lexicons, the interpreters have determined the
meaning of Quranic term ?Aqamat as-Salaat? as ?following
the divine laws steadfastly?. In other words, to abide by the
commands and laws revealed through divine guidance
(Wahi) and to continue acting upon the program prescribed
by Him, is called ?Aqamat as-Salaat?. According to Quran,
its enforcement or promulgation can only take effect under a
social system ? a system where individuals continue rising
up to the determined goals and ideals through honest pursuit
of Quran?s guidelines, without regard to their personal gains
or interests. Thus, Aqamat as-Salaat has been declared a
common goal and obligation and it is made clear that the
establishment of Salaat would not be possible without
Believers? acquisition of ?Tamakkan fil Ardh?, meaning,
without their coming into power as a free state, as
elaborated in the Chapter ?Al-Hajj?....Check www.aastana.com.
OK lets imagine that books of hadith are Correct, now wich Sunnah shouuld i follow? wich narrators are truth?have you met Muhamed, the big problem in Sunnism is that they pick first 10 surahs and make a semi religion of rituals and not a divine code of conduct..
The big diference between Quran and hadith, is that if i Read Quran i get strenght in faith day by day, if i read hadith i will feell a sense of fear and madness.and a lot of MAgic and harry potter hollywood effects...
SALAAM TO ALL peace
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OK lets imagine that books of hadith are Correct, now wich Sunnah shouuld i follow? wich narrators are truth?have you met Muhamed, the big problem in Sunnism is that they pick first 10 surahs and make a semi religion of rituals and not a divine code of conduct..
Salaam NoMad,
You remind me of an incident took place few years back. I went with my friend to a veeeerrryyy BIG scholar living about a kilometer from my house. When I saw his name on his flat entrance door, it took me so long to read his name and his degrees. It was covering from one end of the door to the other end of door. Like XYZ, mufti, a'lim, faazil, kamil, mukammal, a to z.
I was not knowing him, my friend took me to him asking lets talk to him about AlQuraan alone. We went to him, he took us downstairs, there was a room in parking area, full of books up to the ceiling covering all walls. In middle of all book shelves there was a table and three chairs, we sat and started to talk.
Scholar yes tell me what do you want.
mmKhan This is the first time I came to know about you so I decided to meet you and asking some questions.
Scholar Yes, yes, feel free to ask anything, all ahl-e-hadith ulema, sunni ulema, mehdavi ulema and shia ulema use to come to me to clear their doubts, so you can ask anything that you would like, you will get a satisfying answer.
mmKhan I am really confuse which hadith to follow, Mehdavi's got their own, Sunni's got their own, Shia's got their own and Ahl-e-hadith got their own hadith and all are different than each other, so what should I do?
Scholar Ha ha ha ... nice question. Hadith is for increasing your marks, you will get passing marks on the Day of Judgement if you study AlQuraan, but if you study hadith also along with it, your marks may increase and you can get up to 100/100 marks.
mmKhan Well, if so, then is it not enough to study AlQuraan and get passing marks, instead of getting into confusions more and more.
Scholar Yes, you can do that, but remember you will just get passing marks.
mmKhan I was thinking why don't we try study AlQuraan and try to find out all answers for our questions and how to perform rituals as Allah said AlKitaab is tibya-nalli-kulli-shai-in . What do you say, shall we try it together?
Scholar Ohhh! So, you came here to teach me, not to ask me anything. I understood you now.
mmKhan But at least we can take a try, isn't it?
Scholar Com'on get up and get out of my room, out! .
mmKhan We should not close doors of Hidayat on us. We should be always open for corrections.
Scholar I said, get lost .
This story may help people in some ways. That scholar was so proud of himself and of his knowledge that he don't even like to listen to others. nope
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan -
Rameez is in a way TRUE
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Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers.616
And when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah"4363
And when Jesus brought clear proofs, he said, "I have come to you with wisdom and to make clear to you some of that over which you differ, so fear Allah and obey me.2285
The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, , "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the destination."JESUS BRINGS WISDOM/ HADITH , OBEY HIM!!!
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Salaam
I am still waiting for a proof that Quran was revealed to Messenger by Jibrael and it was given to Jibrael by Allah.
i could respond see quran and if you believe in it you believe in that.
I told you that there is no proof and the question is question of belief.You are believeing in words that don't come from allah.
You are whorshipping Bukhari and Muslim and believing in their books and putting your faith in their beards.However, no matter. I knew since the beginning that you will not respond.
Peace
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Can I ask why you call yourself noshirk?
Salaam Bigmo
12106 And most of them will not believe in God except beeing Mushrikoouns.
3042 Say "Roam the earth and see how the end was for those before. Most of them were mushrikouns."so the main danger when we become believer is to be moshrik.
noshrik means i am determined to fight the trap of shirk wich is, for me, believing in things that don't came from allah.
shirk is liying about allah and as allah said, most believers are moshrikouns, even nowadays.Peace
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Salaami could respond see quran and if you believe in it you believe in that.
I told you that there is no proof and the question is question of belief.You are believeing in words that don't come from allah.
You are whorshipping Bukhari and Muslim and believing in their books and putting your faith in their beards.However, no matter. I knew since the beginning that you will not respond.
Peace
His argument is flawed. It is him who claims that he can proof mohammed really said whats written in hadith. We never said that we have proof that Quran came from jibreel. Either you believe in quran or you dont.
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Salaam Bigmo
12106 And most of them will not believe in God except beeing Mushrikoouns.
3042 Say "Roam the earth and see how the end was for those before. Most of them were mushrikouns."so the main danger when we become believer is to be moshrik.
noshrik means i am determined to fight the trap of shirk wich is, for me, believing in things that don't came from allah.
shirk is liying about allah and as allah said, most believers are moshrikouns, even nowadays.Peace
How do you define shirk? Give me an example of a shirk. What kind of lying about Allah are you refering to?
You also said most believers are mushirks, how can they be believers and mushriks at the same time? Which believers are you talking about?
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You are whorshipping Bukhari and Muslim and believing in their books and putting your faith in their beards.
You are accusing believers in God of worshiping Bukhari and the crew, and you know that is not correct. Eating dates, because they read in hadith collections that the Prophet ate them is not worshiping but it is irrelevant so someone's iman. If someone heard that the Prophet had a beard and wants to have one too, it's not worshiping but it is also irrelevant to his iman. You explained to Bigmo why your nickname is Noshirk, and yet you are allowing your self luxury to judge among the people by calling them kufr and you have no right to do so. It's what Allah s.w.t. knows and we do not.
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You are accusing believers in God of worshiping Bukhari and the crew, and you know that is not correct. Eating dates, because they read in hadith collections that the Prophet ate them is not worshiping but it is irrelevant so someone's iman. If someone heard that the Prophet had a beard and wants to have one too, it's not worshiping but it is also irrelevant to his iman. You explained to Bigmo why your nickname is Noshirk, and yet you are allowing your self luxury to judge among the people by calling them kufr and you have no right to do so. It's what Allah s.w.t. knows and we do not.
you worship bukhari if you blindely believe him.
Allah's Messenger (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said Every eye is
lustful and when a woman applies perfume and then goes about in an assembly, she is like such and such, i.e. an adulteress. (Mishkat Hadith1065)The prayer of a woman who uses perfume is not accepted until she returns and takes a bath like that of sexual defilement. (Abu Dawud4162)
if you blindely believe the above quoted hadith, you are indeed worship hadith instead of listening to your god given common sense.
Peace