New article: What is the meaning of "al masjid al haram"?
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There were so many contradiction in the notion of physical journey. The notion cannot sit down in the heart of critical minded people. If it denote a physical journey why at nihgt? Then will this notion not contradict verse 1793.
We are not discussing whether physical journey seems possible to someone or not according to one's present level of knowledge, but are discussing what is stated in the Arabic text.
One should also keep critically checking since it might have become atilted.
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salaam mazhar,
Thanks for answering questions 5 & 6. If you have time, you can try 1-4 also.
What are the two objects in 37102?
So readers can weight up the information, you are saying
God took His servant and went on a physical journey with him, on an unidentified object (UFO) to somewhere in space/heaven/sky, to show him "the biggest sign" which you have not identified/elaborated.
Actually, I just thought of something, if it were using physical eyes, then at night, one's vision would be much poorer, so I assume you'd have to assume that whatever he was shown was lit up somehow or something else.
In any case, readers can weigh up your rendition and answer compared to what I wrote in the article
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Salamun alaiki,
Strictly adhering to the accepted principles of translating a text, and rules of Arabic grammar-morphology and syntax laid by learned Grammarians, let me try.
Allah the Exalted the Infinitely Glorious, Whose approval is the focus of all effort, is the One Who arranged the travel along with His sincere Allegiant-Muhammad on a journey during some part of night from within Al Masjid al Haram-the Sacred Mosque around Ka'aba in Mecca, towards the Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque.
That Mosque is the One whose surroundings We have perpetuated and blessed.
The purpose of ascending him in the direction towards the Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque was that We might show him visually the biggest sign from the Miscellany of Our Demonstrative Signs-Physical realm.
This is a fact that He the Exalted is the One Who is eternally the Hearer and is of Vision .is a transitive Verb. It needs an Object. It is elided-not mentioned. What was that object used to carry him, it is not yet known-UFO.
So God took Muhammed from Mecca to "Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque"
Have I lost the plot here?
The verse says Al Aqsa, whatever that means your translation is not saying that unless you refer to that as Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque, altitude is height so wherever this is by your translation is somewhere high in altitude.
So irrelevant as to whether it was physical, in your translation where is this Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque?
peace
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So God took Muhammed from Mecca to "Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque"
Have I lost the plot here?
The verse says Al Aqsa, whatever that means your translation is not saying that unless you refer to that as Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque, altitude is height so wherever this is by your translation is somewhere high in altitude.
So irrelevant as to whether it was physical, in your translation where is this Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque?
peace
Salamun alaiki,
No fault of yours. Even some scholars do not care what the word is. It is not the name of some Mosque. It is description with Elative Noun.
Adjectival Phrase Location Noun Definite; singular; Masculine; genitive. It is modified by which is the masculine Superlative noun. When prefixed with definite article, it is used as Superlative, whereby it must be in agreement in gender and number between it and that which it describes. Here, it is used as adjectival portrayal of "The Mosque". One will find in almost all the translations that it is treated as a Superlative signifying its meanings as "the Remote; the Far distant; the Farthest; the Most distant; Remotest". This Superlative Noun is made from Root " ".
The basic perception infolded in the Root, in the words of Ibne Faris is
That, it leads to the perception of far distance and deportation to far away, utmost limit. Lane's Lexicon signified the perception of proceeding to extremities; with reference to drinking water it conveys meaning of drinking in the manner of exhausting the last drop, again reflecting extremity in any action. He emphasized its meanings as reaching and attaining the utmost by referring to various words made from it.
The fact of reaching or attaining the utmost has the built in perception of elevation and altitude. As mentioned earlier also, the Grand Qur'aan, for itself is the best Lexicon. It exposes the perception and meanings of most of its words in a picturesque manner by relationships and contrasts. The basic perception and meanings of the Root are unfolded at the very first place of its occurrencewhen/that day you people were on the lower level corner, and they/the approaching army of infidels of Mecca were on far farther highest altitude corner, while the Merchant Caravan was relatively at lower level ground than you people.
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So readers can weight up the information, you are saying
God took His servant and went on a physical journey with him, on an unidentified object (UFO) to somewhere in space/heaven/sky, to show him "the biggest sign" which you have not identified/elaborated.
Salamun alaika,
Sorry, I am not saying anything. I only translated the Arabic text adhering to basic and accepted rules of translation.
Salamun alaiki,
Strictly adhering to the accepted principles of translating a text, and rules of Arabic grammar-morphology and syntax laid by learned Grammarians, let me try.
Allah the Exalted the Infinitely Glorious, Whose approval is the focus of all effort, is the One Who arranged the travel along with His sincere Allegiant-Muhammad on a journey during some part of night from within Al Masjid al Haram-the Sacred Mosque around Ka'aba in Mecca, towards the Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque.
That Mosque is the One whose surroundings We have perpetuated and blessed.
The purpose of ascending him in the direction towards the Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque was that We might show him visually the biggest sign from the Miscellany of Our Demonstrative Signs-Physical realm.
This is a fact that He the Exalted is the One Who is eternally the Hearer and is of Vision .is a transitive Verb. It needs an Object. It is elided-not mentioned. What was that object used to carry him, it is not yet known-UFO.
Wakas translates 171 in the article
171 Glory be to the One who took with/by His servant (at) night from al maSJD al haram ila/to al maSJD al aqsa which We have blessed around* it that We may show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Listener, the Seer.
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Actually, I just thought of something, if it were using physical eyes, then at night, one's vision would be much poorer, so I assume you'd have to assume that whatever he was shown was lit up somehow or something else.
Negative style of thinking. Did astronauts carry lighting system, torches on the Moon?
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Dear Mazhar,
Perhaps your style of reply works with others, but it is not working with me. Let us recap on the points you have avoided so far
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Can you provide evidence that dreams are only possible with rapid eye movement (REM) sleep?
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Can you provide evidence that the rapid eye movement is due to the sleeper using their eyes to "see" in their dream?
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Does your theory for when the verb is and is not "real terms" hold for ALL its occurrences?
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Does your theory only apply to this verb or others also? If so, can you elaborate.
What are the two objects in 37102?
You claim... to show him "the biggest sign" which you have not identified/elaborated - care to explain?
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Salamun alaiki,
No fault of yours. Even some scholars do not care what the word is. It is not the name of some Mosque. It is description with Elative Noun.
Adjectival Phrase Location Noun Definite; singular; Masculine; genitive. It is modified by which is the masculine Superlative noun. When prefixed with definite article, it is used as Superlative, whereby it must be in agreement in gender and number between it and that which it describes. Here, it is used as adjectival portrayal of "The Mosque". One will find in almost all the translations that it is treated as a Superlative signifying its meanings as "the Remote; the Far distant; the Farthest; the Most distant; Remotest". This Superlative Noun is made from Root " ".
The basic perception infolded in the Root, in the words of Ibne Faris is
That, it leads to the perception of far distance and deportation to far away, utmost limit. Lane's Lexicon signified the perception of proceeding to extremities; with reference to drinking water it conveys meaning of drinking in the manner of exhausting the last drop, again reflecting extremity in any action. He emphasized its meanings as reaching and attaining the utmost by referring to various words made from it.
The fact of reaching or attaining the utmost has the built in perception of elevation and altitude. As mentioned earlier also, the Grand Qur'aan, for itself is the best Lexicon. It exposes the perception and meanings of most of its words in a picturesque manner by relationships and contrasts. The basic perception and meanings of the Root are unfolded at the very first place of its occurrencewhen/that day you people were on the lower level corner, and they/the approaching army of infidels of Mecca were on far farther highest altitude corner, while the Merchant Caravan was relatively at lower level ground than you people.
So going by that this place whoever was taken was on a higher ground, like a mountain or hill, higher in altitude than Mecca? Or somewhere even higher, highest altitude as in up into space/heaven?
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So going by that this place whoever was taken was on a higher ground, like a mountain or hill, higher in altitude than Mecca? Or somewhere even higher, highest altitude as in up into space/heaven?
Superlative is never in comparison to one. It is only about the Masjid, qualified as the one located at the highest altitutde. It can be beyond the frontiers of the Universe.
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Dear Mazhar,
Perhaps your style of reply works with others, but it is not working with me. Let us recap on the points you have avoided so far
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Can you provide evidence that dreams are only possible with rapid eye movement (REM) sleep?
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Can you provide evidence that the rapid eye movement is due to the sleeper using their eyes to "see" in their dream?
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Does your theory for when the verb is and is not "real terms" hold for ALL its occurrences?
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Does your theory only apply to this verb or others also? If so, can you elaborate.
What are the two objects in 37102?
You claim... to show him "the biggest sign" which you have not identified/elaborated - care to explain?
Salamun alaika,
Sorry brother, whenever you wish to be evasive and turn away from the main subject such posts I quite often get. All above has since been replied.
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Superlative is never in comparison to one. It is only about the Masjid, qualified as the one located at the highest altitutde. It can be beyond the frontiers of the Universe.
Or farthest away, whose precincts God blessed.
The literal meaning on openburhan is
Praise/glory (to) who went/moved/traveled/departed by night with/by His worshipper/slave at night/nightly from the Mosque the Respected/Sacred to the Mosque the Farthest/Remotest/Most Distant which We blessed around/surrounding it, to show him/make him understand from Our verses/signs/evidences, that He is the hearing/listening, the seeing/knowing/understanding .
The next discusses Moses, so it could be Moses, and it could be from one place of worship to another, none of which may be Mecca or even Al Aqsa in Jerusalem, but that in Jerusalem is supposed to be the one 'whose precincts We did bless'.
Question is still masjid al haram, the starting point, and who was the messenger.
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Salamun alaiki, Ayisha
We noticed that the object of making the Allegiant servant tranvel towards the Highest Altitude Mosque was
The purpose of ascending him towards the Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque was that We might show him visually the biggest sign from the Miscellany of Our Demonstrative Signs-Physical realm.
The text of Qur'aan is succinct, expressed with brevity and clarity, with no wasted words. The object of Verb was elided since its inclusion would amount wasting a word. The prepositional phrase makes it evident for all those who know the basics of Arabic and follow the principles of translating a foregin text to some target language by respecting the mannerism and delicacies of original language.
However, Qur'aan leaves not the dropped words at the wish of reader and translators to put therein whatever he likes. All important drops find mention at others places that relate to important episodes. What was to be shown to him, he must have seen that on arrival at destination. What he saw
This is a certain fact that he-Muhammad did observe the Greatest Sign amongst the Physical Realm of his Sustainer Lord.
Verb Perfect; Third person; singular; masculine; Subject pronoun hidden which refers back to Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam, - Verbal noun. This Verb needs one Object. is its Object, which is the Greatest Sign amongst the Physical Realm of his Sustainer Lord. Though the learned Grammarians had convincingly taught us that the one Object of Verb is elided, Allah the Exalted has specifically mentioned it leaving no room for the conjecturer to spread stories about it.
These words comprise three phrases; a Prepositional Phrase and two Possessive Phrases. These phrases with First Person Sovereign Pronoun will be as in 171.
"Updates" sometime later, InshaAllah.
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Salamun alaiki, Ayisha
We noticed that the object of making the Allegiant servant tranvel towards the Highest Altitude Mosque was
The purpose of ascending him towards the Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque was that We might show him visually the biggest sign from the Miscellany of Our Demonstrative Signs-Physical realm.
The text of Qur'aan is succinct, expressed with brevity and clarity, with no wasted words. The object of Verb was elided since its inclusion would amount wasting a word. The prepositional phrase makes it evident for all those who know the basics of Arabic and follow the principles of translating a foregin text to some target language by respecting the mannerism and delicacies of original language.
However, Qur'aan leaves not the dropped words at the wish of reader and translators to put therein whatever he likes. All important drops find mention at others places that relate to important episodes. What was to be shown to him, he must have seen that on arrival at destination. What he saw
This is a certain fact that he-Muhammad did observe the Greatest Sign amongst the Physical Realm of his Sustainer Lord.
Verb Perfect; Third person; singular; masculine; Subject pronoun hidden which refers back to Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam, - Verbal noun. This Verb needs one Object. is its Object, which is the Greatest Sign amongst the Physical Realm of his Sustainer Lord. Though the learned Grammarians had convincingly taught us that the one Object of Verb is elided, Allah the Exalted has specifically mentioned it leaving no room for the conjecturer to spread stories about it.
These words comprise three phrases; a Prepositional Phrase and two Possessive Phrases. These phrases with First Person Sovereign Pronoun will be as in 171.
"Updates" sometime later, InshaAllah.
Allah doesn't waste words, but you do add them in. Muhammed is not mentioned in 53.18 either.
The physical realm also implies it's not up in the heavens all this took place.
peace
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..."so that We might make him see with eyes"...
The red highlight above is from me.
1st How do you interpret the following verses?
124,
125,
1236,
1243,
1244,
2nd The words altitude, ascend, night,... all can be used relative to the Earth, they are irrelevant when getting far from the planet Earth.
3rd The whole discussion seems to be of the realm of "MUTASHABIHAAT", but not of the "MUHKAMAAT", and according to the verse 37 the interpretation of it lies with GOD(SWT) alone. One can delve into these kin of discussions till the end of the world and no one can come to any certainty regarding their real meanings, except getting farther and farther away from the truth and creating more confusion.
37,
Peace,
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Allah doesn't waste words, but you do add them in. Muhammed is not mentioned in 53.18 either.
Salamun alaiki,
You are not reading English text that you could see the subject of verb written seperately. The Subject, third person, singular masculine is inherent in the Arabic Verb.
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Salamun alaiki,
You are not reading English text that you could see the subject of verb written seperately. The Subject, third person, singular masculine is inherent in the Arabic Verb.
So how do you know the Subject, third person, singular masculine is Muhammed? You are assuming it is. peace
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So how do you know the Subject, third person, singular masculine is Muhammed? You are assuming it is. peace
Fine question. You will agree that in English a third person masculine pronoun refers to a man who is identified earlier. Same is in Arabic. Read the episode, in Arabic every word is connected and is not in isolation.
This is to confirm that Guiding Lord of you people did not become unmindful of his surroundings feeling bewildered or lost in the vastness. Moreover, nor he distracted.
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Fine question. You will agree that in English a third person masculine pronoun refers to a man who is identified earlier. Same is in Arabic. Read the episode, in Arabic every word is connected and is not in isolation.
This is to confirm that Guiding Lord of you people did not become unmindful of his surroundings feeling bewildered or lost in the vastness. Moreover, nor he distracted.
Mind it that neither he is narrating this episode emanating in vacuum/ empty thoughts and wishful conjecture.I have double checked to see if we are talking about the same verse and we are. There is no 'Guiding Lord' and no Muhammed in there, again you are assuming.
And the only Guiding Lord is ALLAH! brickwall
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Fine question. You will agree that in English a third person masculine pronoun refers to a man who is identified earlier. Same is in Arabic. Read the episode, in Arabic every word is connected and is not in isolation.
This is to confirm that Guiding Lord of you people did not become unmindful of his surroundings feeling bewildered or lost in the vastness. Moreover, nor he distracted.
Mind it that neither he is narrating this episode emanating in vacuum/ empty thoughts and wishful conjecture.Salaam,
you are far away &
