The Qur?aan Cosmological Model - Delineation Of The Current universe.
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Defining samaa? (singular of samaawaat) the first important Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical term.
BTW what happened to the other part of this sentence?
And We made from water every living thing. Will they now not believe? Is this also scientifically accurate? And why is biological content mixed in with astronomy?Will you "analyse" the word Earth, sorry, the technical term "Earth" next? What is arD?
Oh I forgot to mention this last time you have so many mistakes regarding Edwin Hubble. This is one of them "the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929".
http//asd.gsfc.nasa.gov/archive/hubble/overview/hubble_bio.html It says here and on similar sites that "In 1923 Hubble trained the Hooker telescope on a hazy patch of sky called the Andromeda Nebula. He found that it contained stars just like the ones in our galaxy, only dimmer. ... In the following years he made similar discoveries with other nebulae ... Hubble concluded that the universe expands uniformly. Several scientists had also posed this theory based on Einstein?s General Relativity, but Hubble's data, published in 1929, helped convince the scientific community."
So Hubble did NOT discover the expansion of the Universe in 1929, but the data collected over many years was published or released 1929. He was not the only one who was aware of it, but the first to publish the data.
If you want to use scientific contents you must learn to be precise.In the first batch you posted you have this contents
?verified by Edwin Hubble in 1929, when he was commissioned to search the depth of the universe through the most advanced scientific instrument at the time, the newly built one hundred inch diameter Mount Wilson Telescope?
Hubble never verified ?Einstein?s General Theory of Relativity? but the notion that there were more than a single galaxy. Hubble had a staff position at the Mount Wilson Observatory and was not commissioned. There is no Mount Wilson Telescope and no ?most advanced scientific instrument?. The Mount Wilson Observatory has more than one telescope and the larger, which was not new but completed in 1917, is called the Hooker Telescope, because J Hooker paid for it. Hubble started the data collection in 1923 and discovered several galaxies and confirmed the suspected expansion of the Universe after developing a classification methodology for galaxies.
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Hope you continue to read and make valuable contributions until I have sufficiently presented my point and then we can have the real constructive debates if there will be any inshaa allaah.
Salaam
As you know I'm reading your posts with interest and curiosity and look forward to them. However, as you asked for our input, may I suggest that you only use the Qur'an in your explanations and skip the Book of Bukhari. If you have solid points from the Qur'an you really have no need to use hadiths, which I find are mainly used by those who lack confidence and feel a need to reinforce their arguments. -
I hope that @al-amiyr will continue the fascinating exponentiation and share the knowledge & information some of us truly invite and cherish!
I hope @al-amiyr will not get distracted by @StopS (however obstructive it shows), @Farida (no matter how lovely a lady it may be), et al.
I hope threads like this one will help many of us learn and understand the Qur'an better, and strengthen our faith in God Alone, insh'Allah!
Thank you once more for coming to this Forum with such promising threads!
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I hope that @al-amiyr will continue the fascinating exponentiation and share the knowledge & information some of us truly invite and cherish!
I hope @al-amiyr will not get distracted by @StopS (however obstructive it shows), @Farida (no matter how lovely a lady it may be), et al.
I hope threads like this one will help many of us learn and understand the Qur'an better, and strengthen our faith in God Alone, insh'Allah!
Thank you once more for coming to this Forum with such promising threads!
Thanks GODsubmitter
I will be here as long as I am welcome. I like your forum. It appears peaceful and friendly. I hope to share and receive knowledge from the respected members inshaa allaah.
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I hope that @al-amiyr will continue the fascinating exponentiation and share the knowledge & information some of us truly invite and cherish!
I hope @al-amiyr will not get distracted by @StopS (however obstructive it shows), @Farida (no matter how lovely a lady it may be), et al.
I hope threads like this one will help many of us learn and understand the Qur'an better, and strengthen our faith in God Alone, insh'Allah!
Thank you once more for coming to this Forum with such promising threads!
Are you seriously saying that you don't care whether something is the truth as long as it sounds nice and comforting to you?
Are you saying that someone mentioning some names of scientists, non-Muslim scientists, will help you understand the Koran?
al-amiyr seriously advocates there is some secret book and then he hints, as usual, without any evidence that he is the only human alive today who holds this book, announced by someone called Muhammad, who will bring earth-shaking news and he will complete posting his book with all the wonderful knowledge. This is what he says
Because this knowledge was with my family for 1400 years. 43 generations of great learned men one son after the other all documented. Read what the prophet said about with whom he left the hidden book. Without this book the Qur'aan will not be understood. The world is arguing in vain. Muslims 100% included. Islaam does not exist in the world. Everything is going to shudder in the presence of this knowledge. Nothing can stand against. It is coming to the world complete The Cape of Good Hope in December 2012. Watch out. This is no nonsense.
al-amiyr makes a mistake in almost every sentence when it comes to cosmology, is unable to answer factual questions, proposes top secret conspiracy theories, provides some useless formula which he does not explain and then still claims everything is factually correct and beneficial for Muslims. He piles on claim after claim without ever explaining any of the problems. And you take all this serious?
Well, if you WANT to be conned I will keep quiet.
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He piles on claim after claim without ever explaining any of the problems. And you take all this serious?
Well, if you WANT to be conned I will keep quiet.
There are all sorts of discussions going on on this forum, and people make one claim after another, from Ramadan fasting hajj to masturbation. As there is freedom of experssion on this forum they get to have their say and I think the same rules apply here. You are not alone in reading this thread. Many, like Noon waalqalami, are quietly reading it and since it is at an early stage yet they can't say much, but once there are challenges I am sure they will be confronted so you can stop worrying about readers being conned.
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Defining 'arD the second important Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical term.
Let us now analyze and define the second important Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical term ?arD as is found in the great Arabic - English dictionary compiled by Edward William Lane over 53 years prior to the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929.
What is the ?arD?
As has been said before ?arD is derived from the Arabic root verb meaning-- he or it became lowly or submissive.
- he or it became or rendered heavy, slow, sluggish, inclining, or propending, to the ground.
-it collected moisture, and became luxuriant with herbage
-it became soft to tread upon, pleasant to sit upon, productive, and good in its herbage or vegetation.
-the ulcer, or sore, became blistered, and wide, and corrupt, and dissundered.
As a noun
with the definite article ?the? it has the following meanings-- the earth as opposed to heaven.
-the ground, as meaning the surface of the earth, on which we tread and sit and lie.
-the floor
without the definite article ?the? it has the following meanings-
- a land, or a country.
- a piece of land or ground.
- anything that is low.
Let us analyze the meaning of the word ?arD from the given definitions and present some statements from the Qur'aan.
When we study the Qur'aan we will see that the word?arD appears about 461 times in the Qur'aan. When these verses are studied it will be seen that the word ?arD is representative of an object that is surrounded by space or embedded in space or occupying space. It will further also be seen that the word ?arD has a number of meanings which adequately describe a range of phenomena; from the stuff of which one's body is composed of; from the soil one can keep in one's hand; the plot of ground one lives upon;the land one lives in; the continent one is associated with; the planet one lives on; and all other planets and objects that clump and occupy space throughout the entire universe as well as all the mass of the universe when brought back together again as one entity called Ratqan .
From here it will be seen that the term ?arD in addition to being an object occupying space is also the substance of which the physical object consists of. And above all it is the name of the unique planet called the 'arD (the Earth) where ALLAAH (GOD) let man (and woman) dwell to work the good work;then earn his (or her) reward;and then afterwards to be taken to the world of His Mercy and Promise before His Anger is unleashed over billions of years and the universe comes crushing down upon itself and upon all those who were left behind and denied the plea for the mercy to die. That is what is written in the Qur'aan.The Qur'aan also says that the Earth has similarities to the seven samaawaat.There are the continents that are spreading apart like the expansion and there are the layers of the earth like the structure of the seven samaawaat. There are more similarities that can be discussed but they are not part of this presentation which is to prove our main point of the thread.
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It is ALLAAH (God) who created the seven samaawaat, and of the ?arD their like, between them the Command descending, that you may know that ALLAAH (God) is powerful over everything and that ALLAAH (God) encompasses everything in knowledge.As we said before the Qur'aan contrasts ?arD with samaa? which are two opposing but complementary states of the universe Matter verses Space; one inherently contractive and the other inherently expansive.
Below is a display of graphical illustrations for the Qur'aan Cosmological Model Technical Term 'arD
http//www.theholytablemountain.net/QCMdefa1.png
To be continued inshaa allaah (If ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed)
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Post 10We have reached the point in this expatiation of The Qur'aan Cosmological Model that we can begin to penetrate into its depths. Up to this point I have attempted to make known that the Qur'aan does contain a comprehensive explanation for the existence of the universe. As I said in a previous post-
The Qur?aan Cosmological model is a mathematical and graphical presentation of the origin, evolution, and ultimate fate of the current universe as it is contained in just two verses of the Qur?aan. These two verses provide us with the key words that describe the general evolution of the universe.Khalq = Tayy +Ratq +Fatq +2Tayy +2Ratq +2Fatq.
A near example in English
Creation = Turn in +Rotate + Fire out +2Turn in +2Rotate +2Fire out.The initial letters of these key words produce the following algorithmic compression;
Kh = T +R +F +2T +2R +2F
Arabic is a language based on what we call root letters. From these root letters the entire language is built up. They are all consonants which are formed into patterns of two?s three?s or four?s. The Arabic language has 28 consonants and a special letter we call laam ?alif. There are also only three vowels and vowel signs in the language which can be either short or long and when used are written either above or below the consonants to produce the words and in this case the root letters which are all verbs in the third person past tense. Don?t worry about all the details at this stage because they will all be wonderfully and easily explained further on and then everything will be easily understood.
It will be seen that when we run the Qur?aanic cosmological algorithmic compression
Kh = T +R +F +2T +2R +2F
through the fundamental structure of the Arabic language then we witness a magnificent display of verbs, nouns, and adjectives that go back to describe each and every phase of the universe at its exact time and place in great detail. We are presented without exaggeration hundreds of beautiful informative illustrations of the phases the universe undergoes from its cosmological origin, through its cosmological evolution, and until its eventual cosmological end. And upon that we also see the derivation of many simple and logical abbreviations that precisely describe each and every phase of the universe. And then further beyond that we realize and see how the actions of the universe drive life into the dead and empty of meaning fundamental building blocks of the language- which are all the fundamental verbal patterns from which are derived the words of the language.
That in a nutshell is the Qur?aan Cosmological Model.Have a good look at the illustrations on the chart below Fig.001 Ratq-Fa-Fatq. Don't miss out at this point. I will from time to time refer to previous posts that I have prepared to make our journey easy as we arrive at the steps to enter The Greatest Cosmological Model of all time. Remember that this so far is still only the less than one percent of The Qur'aan Cosmological Model.
http//www.theholytablemountain.net/QCMfig001Ratq-Fa-Fatq.png
To be continued inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD) had willed.
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Post 11
Let us now go forth to draw the first Space-Time diagram based upon the data extrapolated from the first Qur'aan Cosmological Model verse.
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that the samaawaat and the ?arD
(1)- were both Ratq
(2)- and so We Fataq them both again.As we have already seen that when the Qur'aan speaks about the samaawaat, then it refers to the whole realm of extraterrestrial space and everything it contains.So the data that we derive from the Qur'aan is that the Sun, the Moon, the Stars, the Galaxies, the Galactic Clusters,etc. and the Earth ('ard) were once a 'united entity' that had collapsed from a previously separated state.
According to the data contained in the second Qur'aan Cosmological Model verse, which we shall analyze in a later post, this previously collapsed state was the result of a previously expanded universe that was brought down by ALLAAH in a spiraling formation that caused it to possess angular momentum. When it reached the state of maximum singular combination, with internal and external void, ALLAAH split the powerful rotating single entity apart and then blew into it the breath of life that cause it to inflate and undergo the great expansion that we have observed today.
According to the Qur'aan the universe did not have its beginning in a big bang infinite singularity. It began when the small and large and dark and diffused matter 'burnt out' particles of the previously expanded and close to flat universe were brought into willing submission to be re-energized and rejuvenated to become a new creation.
The Qur'aan calls this a single Khalq or Creation - a collapse followed by an expansion and not an expansion followed by a collapse. See the delineation below.
The Qur'aan also states that the internal universe (samaa' is in the democratic liberal state of run away expansion and shall go on ticking until it has reached maximum permitted expansion when it shall be halted by ALLAAH and when shall be The Final Hour which none shall be able to calculate or rather know other than him and him only. (The cause of the observed accelerated expansion shall be discussed much later inshaa allaah.)
http//www.theholytablemountain.net/QCMfig002.png
To be continued inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed).
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peace al-amiyr,
Your information on both threads are much appreciated, but could you please reduce the font size,
making the information more easily to read.
O0salaam+ hawkninetynine
Thanks for pointing this out to me.
I did not realize it when I drew the charts two months ago. My eyes have also gone for the worse so I tend to write bigger.
Are you referring to the general writing or to the charts or both. Advice on this will be appreciated.Thank you!
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I think it is just the charts, you can leave the size of the body of text font as you like.
It is just the attached images that are a little bit over the board, but it's not a big problem.There is no complaint whatsoever, it is too precious what you are offering us, to disturb you with anything.
Please, do continue delivering information and knowledge, and may Allah reward you amply!
Thank you
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I think it is just the charts, you can leave the size of the body of text font as you like.
It is just the attached images that are a little bit over the board, but it's not a big problem.There is no complaint whatsoever, it is too precious what you are offering us, to disturb you with anything.
Please, do continue delivering information and knowledge, and may Allah reward you amply!
Thank you
salaam+ GODsubmitter
Thank you always for the kind words. As long as there is just one person who feels that they benefit by this knowledge, I shall persevere. As I have said always and everywhere, we learn from one another. I never dismiss anybody. I will always give a good ear and never force my will on others. The only exception to this policy of mine is to those with bad intent.
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Post 11
A very important point not to forget. (I have posted this article as a reply before but it rightfully belongs here as post 11)
Why does the Qur'aan state the cosmological facts as follows
"that the samaawaat(heavens) and the ?arD(earth) were both Ratq(sewn or brought together etc.) and so We Fataq(unstiched or separated etc.) them both again.?"
Because of the manner in which the Qur'aan stated the cosmological facts the following two questions spring to mind
1)- does the Qur'aan say that the ?arD is a separate and unique entity in the Universe?
2)- does the Qur'aan say that the ?arD was already in existence at the birth of the Universe?If we look at the Qur'aanic verse and even examine it a little more deeper it would appear as if the Qur'aan is actually saying that. But that perception or conclusion is not exactly true. And it is because of this inaccurate conclusion of the lack of the proper understanding of the correct meaning of the verse that all the confusion begins and then all sorts of wild statements are made by those who claim the Qur'aan to be scientific and those who assert that it is not.
And it is also because of this inaccurate conclusion that has led to the confusion which caused the Muslim scholars to deliberately falsify the translations by removing or not including the word 'both' from or in the actual translation of the original verb which is in the dual form.
In other words the Qur'aan states 'kaanataa' 'both of them were' or 'the two of them were' or 'they two were' and then the translators took it upon themselves to transform it into 'they were' or 'were'. That is why it is sacrilegious to translate the Books of ALLAAH into other languages without providing detailed explanations.Of the approximately seventy Qur'aan translations that I have examined so far I have found only two translations which have faithfully included the dual in their translations. Not to say that the other parts of their translations are not without grave errors. It will surprise many that both of these translations that translated the verse correctly with the dual included were not made by Muslim translators but maybe surprisingly by non Muslim ones. In my opinion it would not be going too far to say that a common trait in man is that he loves to exaggerate when it suites him and he loves to hang on and to invent or follow explanations to that of which he knows little or nothing of.
Let us now examine precisely what the Qur'aan is exactly saying. It is well worth mentioning that when one has sufficiently studied the Qur'aan and the other important teachings of the Prophet (S+) one will immediately know that this verse is referring to three things simultaneously. In other words three different independent matters are being discussed providing the reader with factual information for observation and consideration.
Let us see what it is!
1)- the samaawaat (definition in a previous post)
2)- the ?arD (definition in a previous post)
3)- the samaawaat and the ?arD
To understand this better let us make a comparison with something else 'the school and the principal were both famous'
There are three clear possibilities of understanding what was said.
1)- the school
2)- the principal
3)- the school and the principal
In the first example it is referring to the whole school; the students; the teachers; and the principal. There was none that was specifically famous; none that stood out from the rest. Just the whole school that was famous.
In the second example it is referring only to the principal; not to the school as a whole; not to the students; and not to the teachers. There was only one who was specifically famous; one that stood out from the rest. And it was just the principal who was alone famous.
In the third example it is referring to the whole school generally as well as to the principal specifically. It was not only the school as a whole that was famous but also the principal who in his own right was also famous.
Likewise as in our example the same rule applies to the mentioned Qur'aanic cosmological verse. Let us see!
In the first example it is referring to the whole of space and everything that it contains including the earth which is a body moving in that space. In other words it is referring to the whole universe as already explained i.e. the sun, the moon, the stars,the galaxies and everything else including the earth. And it says that all these entities comprising the universe were Ratq fa (and so) Fataq (i.e. brought together as one unified entity for the purpose of breaking it apart again to form the universe).
In the second example it is referring to the earth alone and no other entity in the universe; not to the sun; not the moon; not to the stars etc. but only to the earth specifically. It says that once upon a time the earth was also Ratq fa (and so) Fataq (i.e. brought together as one unified entity (previous continents came together to form Pangaea and then again split to form the 'seven continents' ( there are seven major plates and a number of minor plates) which are still spreading apart to this day).
In the third example it is referring to both what happened in the universe as well as what happened to the earth. Both underwent their own Ratq fa (and so) Fataq and both were part of a united Ratq fa (and so) Fataq (i.e. the whole of space and everything that it contains including the earth were once upon a time in a state that was brought together as one unified entity for the purpose of breaking it apart again to form the universe which is in an observed accelerated expansion to this day.
So there you have it in a nutshell. A great amount of details all applying to two different phenomena simultaneously. Now I will leave you with a quotation with what the Prophet (S+) of the Qur'aan had said one thousand four hundred years ago.
The Book of Bukhari Volume 9. Book 87. Number 141
Narrated Abu Huraira I heard Allah's Apostle saying.
"I have been sent with Jawami al-Kalim (i.e.. the shortest expression carrying the widest meanings).
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I was made victorious with awe (caste into the hearts of the enemy)
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while I was sleeping the keys of the treasures of the earth were brought to me and were put in my hand."
Muhammad (S+) said. Jawami'-al-Kalim means that Allah expresses in one or two statements or thereabouts the numerous matters that used to be written in the books revealed before (the coming of) the Prophet .In the next post I will give a brief discussion on the apparent conflict between the information contained in the next and second Qur'aan Cosmological verse which states that the universe shall be contracted and the observed accelerated expansion of the universe today.
To be continued inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH had willed).
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In reality, nobody knows yet, because we can't measure dark matter. That's why we have several models, the least possible today is what was termed the Big Crunch or Big Bounce in the 90's. Space - not gravitationally bound objects - is expanding at an acceleration rate and nobody today knows what the ratio between gravity and inflation is.
So StopS in another thread is basically saying the same thing, i.e. conforming the basic concept of duality which runs throughout Qur'an heaven-earth, gravity-inflation (well simplifying it)
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So StopS in another thread is basically saying the same thing, i.e. conforming the basic concept of duality which runs throughout Qur'an heaven-earth, gravity-inflation (well simplifying it)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598191.msg316209#msg316209Actually, I am saying the opposite. Al-amiyr has subscribed to 30-40 year-old ideas which are outdated. The idea of a singularity was superseded by Quantum Physics.
As early as 1988, Stephen Hawking wrote in A Brief History of Time, paraphrasing It is perhaps ironic that I am now trying to convince other physicists that there was in fact no singularity at the beginning of the universe, it can disappear once quantum effects are taken into account
The "Big Crunch" and with it the oscillating Universe "But the current evidence is strongly against any recollapse, which would rule out the oscillating Universe."
Recent measurements suggest that the universe is flat, has no bounds and will expand forever, but the rate of expansion will gradually approach zero after an infinite amount of time.This is what happens when you try and project modern ideas from science into a religious book, which does not change. Science does.
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-sighs- reading all of those pages with all those claims is fascinating, however where is the scientific proof of this all? As StopS says, I see claims.. but not much evidence to back up the claims, just a massive bunch of "information". Can this simply be cut down to a few lines of what is actually being put across? Can this be related to MODERN day science? Science is important however in terms of the creation of the universe and what will happen, i haven't got too much faith in scientists at the present moment because of the ever changing theories of it (which i appreciate as it is an evolving discussion and a continuous one but one i don't want to say I BELIEVE then next minute it's wrong). I believed the universe was expanding (see red shift/blue shift (i think it was called that |) definitions). Recently on BBC 4 around 3 weeks ago, scientists in many top universities and research labs around the world have been discussing the most likely option is a cyclic universe, with "something" ultimately unchanging and permanently present (though i can't remember the word used). Anyway, guys lets be a bit calm. Recently i've been seeing too much.. i dunno... hostility? between everyone... lets just try sticking to digging and answering those probing questions.
Peace all ) peace
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-sighs- reading all of those pages with all those claims is fascinating, however where is the scientific proof of this all? As StopS says, I see claims.. but not much evidence to back up the claims, just a massive bunch of "information". Can this simply be cut down to a few lines of what is actually being put across? Can this be related to MODERN day science? Science is important however in terms of the creation of the universe and what will happen, i haven't got too much faith in scientists at the present moment because of the ever changing theories of it (which i appreciate as it is an evolving discussion and a continuous one but one i don't want to say I BELIEVE then next minute it's wrong). I believed the universe was expanding (see red shift/blue shift (i think it was called that |) definitions). Recently on BBC 4 around 3 weeks ago, scientists in many top universities and research labs around the world have been discussing the most likely option is a cyclic universe, with "something" ultimately unchanging and permanently present (though i can't remember the word used). Anyway, guys lets be a bit calm. Recently i've been seeing too much.. i dunno... hostility? between everyone... lets just try sticking to digging and answering those probing questions.
Peace all peace
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Do you realize how much information was given. For example, "what does Ratq mean? And what are its implications? This is so far still less than the 5% of the depth of The Qur'aan Cosmological Model.
Peace
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Here is a little diagram about the great reality. The seven samaawaat one above the other with varying degrees of outward expansion. The innermost samaa' (heaven) being drawn outwards by the gravity of the six outer samaawaat (heavens) and the close to halting of the outer samaa' (heaven) by the gravitational attraction of the six inner samaawaat (heavens).
http//www.theholytablemountain.net/QCMuniverse.png
I shall soon continue with this Qur'aan Cosmological Model as well inshaa allaah.