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as-salaamu 'alaykum
I am still busy working on post 14. There will be about 20 illustrations designed from scratch. It will sum up what we learned so far and take us to the point just before we will begin to understand The Qur'aan Mathematical Space Time Diagrams necessary to understand why everything is the way it is. Read over the previous posts as much as you can inshaa allaah.
wa "alaykum-us-salaam
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Salaam
I am just perplexed at the response of some people who call themselves followers of the Qur'an. They boast about not following conjecture, yet I see them making no effort to understand what brother al-amiyr is offering them, for which he is asking no reward from anyone not even thanks. But to belittle someone , who is trying to teach you in the name of Allaah, expecting you to learn is simply disgusting.
I am not a young person. I have seen a lot in my life and I have not come across anyone so willing to teach, and with such devotion, despite not knowing me personally or getting anything in return. If only there were more people like al-amiyr who were willing to serve ALLAAH we would not be so lost and deluded....
If you can't show any gratitute then at least do not say things that are hurtful and do not do justice to anyone reading your posts. Seeing what al-amiyr, despite all this, is delivering brings tears to my eyes If people, who claim to follow the Qur'an, behave like this then just imagine how people of the jahiliya must have mocked the prophet.Looking forward to next lesson Insha' Allaah.
Salaam
Prophet Muhammed and other messengers did not set out claiming to have a secret knowledge that they know that will change humanity, astonishing and guiding people from darkness to light. If I am wrong, let me know.
None of the messengers guided people delivering them from darkness with their own knowledge. Their sole function as messengers was to relay God's message. Knowledge was given to the messengers by God. People were guided and delivered by words of God. Humanity was changed not by messengers but by God. It is God who guides people. And people are guided by the words of God. It is God who "teaches" and the messengers relayed this teaching to people.
I have the Koran in front of me. The lessons are all there in the book and the signs of God are all around me. If i dont see it is because of my limitedness and lack of wisdom. Over the years, my knowledge and understanding of the koran have increased from Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Jews, Christians, atheists..... My faith has evolved over time from being a traditional Sunni and now just a Muslim. The words of God is there but due to my limitedness and influence, I didn't get it or see things. I am limited in my knowledge and understanding and constantly searching for the truth from the Koran.
I don't agree or share the same views as many here but have learned much from others sharing their knowledge of the koran. BUT al-amyr is unlike other members on this forum. what we have is al-amyr claiming to have knowledge coming from prophet Muhammed which has been hidden or secretly passed on from generations to generations that will astonish, enlighten and change humanity. So al-amyrs agenda is to change and deliver people from darkness to light with his knowledge? Am I right?
Do other members on this forum fancy themselves as 'teachers' whose mission is to salvage humanity with this knowledge that only his family posses which has been passed down from prophet Muhammed?
Farida, al-amyr is not just "teaching" something that he discovered which he wants to share and others to give input on his discovery. He has made certain claims and his agenda is clear. you believe in his claims that prophet muhammed had this knowledge that he is now teaching you? Was this knowledge given to prophet Muhammed by God? If so, then prophet Muhammed kept it a secret? Ok if prophet Muhammed was not given this knowledge by God but he learned of this on his own then why did he not share this with humanity?
You mean to tell me that people had been living in the dark for all these years without this knowledge? And who are these scholars that al-Amyr claims in his line of transmission of this knowledge? Was it written down and passed down the generation? Or was it oral?
Listen farida, you have the free will to believe whatever it is that you want to believe in but when something is said about God and prophet Muhammed, I expect the person making such claims to provide evidence.
By the way, prophet Muhammed was a man who had the highest morals and trustworthy whose mission was to relay God's message. His obedience was to God and if there is any knowledge that God gave him, he parted that knowledge and wisdom as per the Koran. also, by the way the true servants of God tend to be humble, pious and sublime in their attitude, acknowledging their limitedness seeking forgiveness if they are wrong in their understanding and interpretations of the scripture. Unless i am missing something, i dont see that in reading al-amyrs postings. And also want to point out that prohet Muhammed did not interpret the Koran. It is God who explained things to prophet Muhammed.
Farida, as you have been staunchest supporter of al-Amyr believing his claims and having issues with those who question and have criticized him, I ask that you now provide the supporting evidence from the Koran of his claims that this knowledge that he is teaching you is coming from prophet Muhammed.
You are now responsible for what you support and what you are and want to be disseminated.
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Prophet Muhammed and other messengers did not set out claiming to have a secret knowledge that they know that will change humanity, astonishing and guiding people from darkness to light. If I am wrong, let me know.
None of the messengers guided people delivering them from darkness with their own knowledge. Their sole function as messengers was to relay God's message. Knowledge was given to the messengers by God. People were guided and delivered by words of God. Humanity was changed not by messengers but by God. It is God who guides people. And people are guided by the words of God. It is God who "teaches" and the messengers relayed this teaching to people.
I have the Koran in front of me. The lessons are all there in the book and the signs of God are all around me. If i dont see it is because of my limitedness and lack of wisdom. Over the years, my knowledge and understanding of the koran have increased from Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Jews, Christians, atheists..... My faith has evolved over time from being a traditional Sunni and now just a Muslim. The words of God is there but due to my limitedness and influence, I didn't get it or see things. I am limited in my knowledge and understanding and constantly searching for the truth from the Koran.
I don't agree or share the same views as many here but have learned much from others sharing their knowledge of the koran. BUT al-amyr is unlike other members on this forum. what we have is al-amyr claiming to have knowledge coming from prophet Muhammed which has been hidden or secretly passed on from generations to generations that will astonish, enlighten and change humanity. So al-amyrs agenda is to change and deliver people from darkness to light with his knowledge? Am I right?
Do other members on this forum fancy themselves as 'teachers' whose mission is to salvage humanity with this knowledge that only his family posses which has been passed down from prophet Muhammed?
Farida, al-amyr is not just "teaching" something that he discovered which he wants to share and others to give input on his discovery. He has made certain claims and his agenda is clear. you believe in his claims that prophet muhammed had this knowledge that he is now teaching you? Was this knowledge given to prophet Muhammed by God? If so, then prophet Muhammed kept it a secret? Ok if prophet Muhammed was not given this knowledge by God but he learned of this on his own then why did he not share this with humanity?
You mean to tell me that people had been living in the dark for all these years without this knowledge? And who are these scholars that al-Amyr claims in his line of transmission of this knowledge? Was it written down and passed down the generation? Or was it oral?
Listen farida, you have the free will to believe whatever it is that you want to believe in but when something is said about God and prophet Muhammed, I expect the person making such claims to provide evidence.
By the way, prophet Muhammed was a man who had the highest morals and trustworthy whose mission was to relay God's message. His obedience was to God and if there is any knowledge that God gave him, he parted that knowledge and wisdom as per the Koran. also, by the way the true servants of God tend to be humble, pious and sublime in their attitude, acknowledging their limitedness seeking forgiveness if they are wrong in their understanding and interpretations of the scripture. Unless i am missing something, i dont see that in reading al-amyrs postings. And also want to point out that prohet Muhammed did not interpret the Koran. It is God who explained things to prophet Muhammed.
Farida, as you have been staunchest supporter of al-Amyr believing his claims and having issues with those who question and have criticized him, I ask that you now provide the supporting evidence from the Koran of his claims that this knowledge that he is teaching you is coming from prophet Muhammed.
You are now responsible for what you support and what you are and want to be disseminated.
Sorry that I have to come in here. Are you beginning to launch a campaign against al-amiyr? Why do you not let the man complete what he said he is doing. He has from the beginning said what he was doing. I am also here and am interested in his explanations. You say God guides. How do you know that God is not guiding him? Or are you getting guidance alone. Look how many people are reading his threads! It seems like this thread is going to be one of the fastest growing in this forum; a sure sign many are interested. And surely if al-amiyr don't deliver the goods, as he said he would, he will also go down as another charlatan. Is that not so?
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Peace Space Traveller.
You seem to think that because something is popular, it is good?
What difference does it make if this thread has more readers?
Sister justamuslim has every right to her point of view as you have to yours.
Remember what Qoran says about the majority!
As believers we have to check thoroughly and use Qoran as our guide.
Do you not think she has a point?
Peace.
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Listen farida, you have the free will to believe whatever it is that you want to believe in but when something is said about God and prophet Muhammed, I expect the person making such claims to provide evidence.
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Farida, as you have been staunchest supporter of al-Amyr believing his claims and having issues with those who question and have criticized him, I ask that you now provide the supporting evidence from the Koran of his claims that this knowledge that he is teaching you is coming from prophet Muhammed.You are now responsible for what you support and what you are and want to be disseminated.
Dear justamuslim
I have just left a reply, to your post, which I believe addressed all your concerns; http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604833.msg317475;topicseen#msg317475
I am watching "The Big Bang Theory" at the moment on E4 so I did not get to read this long post of yours, but noticed my name mentioned. Oh please! So many people are reading this post. Why do you want to portray me as the woman who flew ???!
Salaam -
Prophet Muhammed and other messengers did not set out claiming to have a secret knowledge that they know that will change humanity, astonishing and guiding people from darkness to light. If I am wrong, let me know.
None of the messengers guided people delivering them from darkness with their own knowledge. Their sole function as messengers was to relay God's message. Knowledge was given to the messengers by God. People were guided and delivered by words of God. Humanity was changed not by messengers but by God. It is God who guides people. And people are guided by the words of God. It is God who "teaches" and the messengers relayed this teaching to people.
I have the Koran in front of me. The lessons are all there in the book and the signs of God are all around me. If i dont see it is because of my limitedness and lack of wisdom. Over the years, my knowledge and understanding of the koran have increased from Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Jews, Christians, atheists..... My faith has evolved over time from being a traditional Sunni and now just a Muslim. The words of God is there but due to my limitedness and influence, I didn't get it or see things. I am limited in my knowledge and understanding and constantly searching for the truth from the Koran.
I don't agree or share the same views as many here but have learned much from others sharing their knowledge of the koran. BUT al-amyr is unlike other members on this forum. what we have is al-amyr claiming to have knowledge coming from prophet Muhammed which has been hidden or secretly passed on from generations to generations that will astonish, enlighten and change humanity. So al-amyrs agenda is to change and deliver people from darkness to light with his knowledge? Am I right?
Do other members on this forum fancy themselves as 'teachers' whose mission is to salvage humanity with this knowledge that only his family posses which has been passed down from prophet Muhammed?
Farida, al-amyr is not just "teaching" something that he discovered which he wants to share and others to give input on his discovery. He has made certain claims and his agenda is clear. you believe in his claims that prophet muhammed had this knowledge that he is now teaching you? Was this knowledge given to prophet Muhammed by God? If so, then prophet Muhammed kept it a secret? Ok if prophet Muhammed was not given this knowledge by God but he learned of this on his own then why did he not share this with humanity?
You mean to tell me that people had been living in the dark for all these years without this knowledge? And who are these scholars that al-Amyr claims in his line of transmission of this knowledge? Was it written down and passed down the generation? Or was it oral?
Listen farida, you have the free will to believe whatever it is that you want to believe in but when something is said about God and prophet Muhammed, I expect the person making such claims to provide evidence.
By the way, prophet Muhammed was a man who had the highest morals and trustworthy whose mission was to relay God's message. His obedience was to God and if there is any knowledge that God gave him, he parted that knowledge and wisdom as per the Koran. also, by the way the true servants of God tend to be humble, pious and sublime in their attitude, acknowledging their limitedness seeking forgiveness if they are wrong in their understanding and interpretations of the scripture. Unless i am missing something, i dont see that in reading al-amyrs postings. And also want to point out that prohet Muhammed did not interpret the Koran. It is God who explained things to prophet Muhammed.
Farida, as you have been staunchest supporter of al-Amyr believing his claims and having issues with those who question and have criticized him, I ask that you now provide the supporting evidence from the Koran of his claims that this knowledge that he is teaching you is coming from prophet Muhammed.
You are now responsible for what you support and what you are and want to be disseminated.
salaam 'alaykum
There is nothing sinister and nothing to fear. Are you asking that I must leave. Will you take the responsibility on the day of judgement if this knowledge is the truth. It is not a problem for me to leave. Do you think that I came to this forum with a hidden agenda as you basically implied in your other post in the other thread. I am just here because this was the next place I happen to arrive at when traveling the internet highways on my journey to destroy The Great Satan and all his fools.
Name me one thing that I have said that goes against the very book that ALLAAH revealed to the world through my family. We have served our Lord, ALLAAH and His Great Qur'aan more than any people in human history for 1400 years. Now you want to gang up the viewers against me for something you feel is against the truth. How do you know that you even have an understanding of this truth.
You claim ALLAAH guides you. Is this your imagination or is it a fact? Are you inventing falsehood against the lord of The Worlds, can you explain? You claim to get guidance, so can you present your guidance so that the world can benefit by that guidance.
Are you just mumbling? Why do you not show me one thing where I am wrong? I love knowledge and will always abide by it. Are you being inspired by others to write what you have written or is it your own initiative because of your own concerns? Let me know if you are truthful.
And another thing , I am not speaking matters here that cannot be examined. They are perfectly examinable and verifiable. I have a few more posts to go and then the knowledge will come in the site of understanding. It is as simple as that.salaam
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Peace Space Traveller.
You seem to think that because something is popular, it is good?
What difference does it make if this thread has more readers?
Sister justamuslim has every right to her point of view as you have to yours.
Remember what Qoran says about the majority!
As believers we have to check thoroughly and use Qoran as our guide.
Do you not think she has a point?
Peace.
Greetings Good Logic
You are right. I am only addressing her manner and not her views. I am also a reader of these threads and I have been reading many other threads on this forum. I am not a Muslim but I am inclined towards Islam. I have also read many of your threads and my mind is open to all. I will respond the same way if she said to you in a similar manner.
Thanks and Greetings
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Peace Space Traveller.
Thank you. Your point is noted.
God bless you.
Peace and friendship.
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Salaam al-amiyr,
I fully understand what you are saying but I fully do not agree with what you are saying.
It represents the infinite Mind of ALLAAH ? ELOHIYM ? GOD wherein dwells His rational thought or ruwh (Spirit) represented by r.
Do you have any idea what you are saying here? The L represents the infinite Mind of ALLAAH &
Salaam,
BenderSalaam Bender
Here is something worth reading for you;
GentlemenThe starting point of this discussion is my central thesis, which is
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DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern; it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism.
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All codes are created by a conscious mind; there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information.
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Therefore DNA was designed by a mind.
If you can provide an empirical example of a code or language that occurs naturally, you've toppled my proof. All you need is one.
Perry Marshall
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Let's review where we've been in this thread. I have said(1) The sequence of base pairs in DNA is a code.
Much effort has been made to discredit this statement, unsuccessfully. This statement is fully and explicitly supported in virtually all of the scientific literature since the 1960s.
(2) All codes that we know the origin of come from a mind.
Much effort has been expended to discredit this statement as well. Assertions have been attempted that gravity, snowflakes, magma flows and the like are codes. But none accurately conforms to Shannon's communication model. Most of the examples cited do not contain an encoding system, and none contain a decoding system.
(3) Therefore DNA came from a mind.
The objection to this statement has been that the conclusion is reached inductively. Complaints have been lodged that inductive reasoning is inherently unreliable. But we do observe that the laws of thermodynamics and in fact the majority of known scientific laws are determined inductively and not deductively. If you wish to throw out inductive reasoning, then we can discard almost all scientific knowledge and start all over again and use rocks and sticks to make fire.
Thus we have, right here on the Infidels discussion forum, after more than 300 posts, robust evidence that life was intelligently designed.
It is not possible for me to persuade people to believe in God if they do not want to; that is not my job. But one can hope that some will follow the evidence, wherever it leads.
Perry Marshall
http//www.vina.cc/news/index.php/General/DNA-proves-the-existence-of-God.html
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salaam
I have already said that this knowledge was handed down to me by my father from his father through 44 generations back to the prophet (S+). We are the historical Al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy family stem of the prophet, one son after the other, and all great scholars who gave guidance to most of the khaliyfs who ruled the Islaamic world. There is none in the world who have this knowledge but our family and we teach it to the people and then they realize who we are. It is coming to the public now for the first time in 1400 years. Just continue to follow and read and then you will see what will appear before your own eyes. It is as simple as that.
Thanks
al-amiyr.As you claim that this knowledge was handed down from the prophet, what evidence do you have to support your claim?
Let's start with you first. Why don't you tell us who you are? Your full name? where were you born and when? Your place of birth? What is your background? When did you start learning of this knowledge? Who taught you this knowledge? As you claim that you stem from the prophet, what proof do you have of your claims? Historical documents and accounts. Name all of persons of your lineage who had the knowledge and transmitted this knowledge.
You mention that this knowledge was transmitted from one son after the other. What son of the prophet was it first transmitted to and who did this son then transmit this knowledge to?
Was this knowledge written down or transmitted orally?
As you claim that this knowledge stems from the prophet Muhammed, how did he get this knowledge? On his own or from God? Are you saying that Muhammed kept this knowledge to his family only? Why? Who did prophet Muhammed share this knowledge with? Why did he not make it public if this knowledge carries such significance?
And who are the great scholars who you speak of that had this knowledge and gave guidance to the rulers of the Islamic world? Can you please name them?
You say that this knowledge was kept a secret in your family but in other place did you say that they were persecuted for it? You have opened so many threads that I just want to be sure that I am not missing what you are saying and understand you correctly. What you are saying is that for 1400 years your family kept this knowledge a secret and only now you are making it public? Why did they keep this knowledge a secret? How many individuals have known about this secret in the family through the generation?
You said that you have been in other forums teaching your knowledge. When did you decide to go public and why now when your family has kept it a secret for so many generations and for 1400 years? What lead you to share your knowledge to others now?
Given how this knowledge has been transmitted from generation to generation for 1400 years, the descendants of the prophet are large in number. So how many of the descendants of the prophet have this knowledge? What other family members besides you have this knowledge? Or are you the only one? Are other family members also disseminating this knowledge?
Given that this knowledge that you have will change humanity, why don't you publish it in a book or create a website disseminating your info to ALL of humanity instead of going from one website to others? Do you have a website or youtube link? Have you or your followers published this knowledge? Why not?
In order to verify your claims, I am sure you wouldn't have problems providing the answers to the questions that I ask which are simple and straight forward.
You said that this knowledge is not your own and comes from the prophet Muhammed. Prove your claims with evidence which should be simple enough.
@farida and all those in support of al-Amyr, i am asking you all for the same. Can you corroborate and provide me with evidence of al-amyrs claim that this knowledge is coming from prophet Muhammed passed on from his son to the next down 44 generations?
I am sure you are all not blinding supporting his claims without verification and so I am asking for the verification that this knowledge is coming from prophet Muhammed.
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I am sure you are all not blinding supporting his claims without verification and so I am asking for the verification that this knowledge is coming from prophet Muhammed.
Sister member justmuslim ;
Do you know what Muhammed (PBUH) was given ?
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As you claim that this knowledge was handed down from the prophet, what evidence do you have to support your claim?
Let's start with you first. Why don't you tell us who you are? Your full name? where were you born and when? Your place of birth? What is your background? When did you start learning of this knowledge? Who taught you this knowledge? As you claim that you stem from the prophet, what proof do you have of your claims? Historical documents and accounts. Name all of persons of your lineage who had the knowledge and transmitted this knowledge.
You mention that this knowledge was transmitted from one son after the other. What son of the prophet was it first transmitted to and who did this son then transmit this knowledge to?
Was this knowledge written down or transmitted orally?
As you claim that this knowledge stems from the prophet Muhammed, how did he get this knowledge? On his own or from God? Are you saying that Muhammed kept this knowledge to his family only? Why? Who did prophet Muhammed share this knowledge with? Why did he not make it public if this knowledge carries such significance?
And who are the great scholars who you speak of that had this knowledge and gave guidance to the rulers of the Islamic world? Can you please name them?
You say that this knowledge was kept a secret in your family but in other place did you say that they were persecuted for it? You have opened so many threads that I just want to be sure that I am not missing what you are saying and understand you correctly. What you are saying is that for 1400 years your family kept this knowledge a secret and only now you are making it public? Why did they keep this knowledge a secret? How many individuals have known about this secret in the family through the generation?
You said that you have been in other forums teaching your knowledge. When did you decide to go public and why now when your family has kept it a secret for so many generations and for 1400 years? What lead you to share your knowledge to others now?
Given how this knowledge has been transmitted from generation to generation for 1400 years, the descendants of the prophet are large in number. So how many of the descendants of the prophet have this knowledge? What other family members besides you have this knowledge? Or are you the only one? Are other family members also disseminating this knowledge?
Given that this knowledge that you have will change humanity, why don't you publish it in a book or create a website disseminating your info to ALL of humanity instead of going from one website to others? Do you have a website or youtube link? Have you or your followers published this knowledge? Why not?
In order to verify your claims, I am sure you wouldn't have problems providing the answers to the questions that I ask which are simple and straight forward.
You said that this knowledge is not your own and comes from the prophet Muhammed. Prove your claims with evidence which should be simple enough.
@farida and all those in support of al-Amyr, i am asking you all for the same. Can you corroborate and provide me with evidence of al-amyrs claim that this knowledge is coming from prophet Muhammed passed on from his son to the next down 44 generations?
I am sure you are all not blinding supporting his claims without verification and so I am asking for the verification that this knowledge is coming from prophet Muhammed.
as-salaamu 'alaykum justamuslim
I thank you for your concerns and questions. All your questions shall be answered with all the historical proofs and the documentation of my family history including back up from about 15 books just written about this family during the last 20 years. This is the only family line of The prophet(S+) who is known as AL- Qurashiy AL-Amjadiy.
As you have so many questions, I will work on them one by one with full details inshaa allaah. Remember that I value all of them and all of them will be answer inshaa allaah.
For now I will Quote to you what I have already quoted. It seems that you have not read it before. This has been published on many other forums as well.
The Most Illustrious Family Of Islaam Or That Of The Ages According to those who know.
There is a Family that has now produced 43 generations of learned men, one son after the other, and all of them great scholars of Islaam. They are linked ( by blood or as advisers ) in one way or another to all the Khulafaa' (Khaliyfs) in the history of the whole of Islaam since the death of the messenger of ALLAAH (A*)(S+). This family has produced more than 500 000 scholars over the one thousand four hundred years of Islamic history. It is said that this family is the "itrah (stem) of 'ahlu-l-bayt ( family of the Prophet's house) which generated the different branches. We are speaking about the " Al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy " Family. The last great well known scholar of this family was al-bahru-l-muhaqqaq (universal scholar of knowledge) and al-"ilmu-l-mudaqqaq (scholar whose knowledge is meticulous) and shaykhu-l-"ilm (most learned among the scholars) and shaykhu-l-islaam (one of the top advisors to the Islaamic Ruler) and muftiy al-''arba"u-l-'a'immah (scholar and judge of all the Islaamic schools of thought) maulanaa (title) and mullaa (title) as-sayyid Abu Bakr Effendi Al-khushnaawiy Al-qurashiy Al-Amjadiy (1814 - 1880). He was the adviser to the last absolute Sultans and Khaliyfs of The Ottoman Islamic State or Empire i.e. Sultans and Khaliyfs Abdul-Majid(1839 - 1861) , Abdul-Aziz (1861 - 1876) and Abdul-Hamid (1876 - 1909).
Here is a short history of one great ancestor (12th grandson of Zayd ibn Ali the grandson of imaam Husayn grandson of the Prophet (S+) and the 25th ancestor of the above mentioned Shaykh of Knowledge.
Abu-NaSr Al-Amiyr Sulaymaan Al-Ghaaziy Al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy( c.1057 - c.1134 )
abuw naSr al_amiyr sulaymaan
was
one of the most extraordinary and exemplary men who ever lived.
He was a most gracious philanthropist,
a supreme commander,
and by the grace of ALLAAH (A*), a most successful man in everything he set out to do.
He was a great benefactor and promoter of knowledge and education
and above all
he was a man who, like his ancestors, loved and served The Lord
with all his heart, soul and mind.To
the twenty-eight
generations of his learned descendants,
one son after the other,
over the next nine hundred years,
he was known as the father of help,
the man of good deeds, meritorious actions,
and
the shepherd of the flock of his future generations.According to the family oral history, Abu-Nasr Al-Amiyr Sulaymaan was a direct descendant and inheritor of King Sulaymaan (Soloman), son of King Daawud (David) Kings of Judah through the line of Yuwsuf (Joseph) and Maryam (Mary), the mother of "Iysaa (Jesus).
It was said that he was the prophesied father (abu) of the Branch (naSr) which would bear fruit from the offshoot of Yassaa (Jessie), the father of King Daawud (David).
Abu-Nasr Al-Amiyr Sulaymaan was also the twelfth direct descendant of Zayd, the son of "Aliy Zaynul_"aabidiyn (grandson of FaaTimah(P+), (daughter of the prophet Muhammad (S+) and Haydaan,the highborn captured princess of India.
Abu-Nasr Al-Amiyr Sulaymaan was also regarded as one of the six Mu'lifiyn (Thousanders) who was to be born or because he was born at the dawn or rise of the next millenium.
It has been said that the seventh mu'allif (Thousander) would be a direct descendant of Abu-Nasr Al-Amiyr Sulaymaan.
The other Thousanders were Aadam (Adam (P+), Nuwh (Noah (P+), 'IbraaHiym (Abraham (P+), Daawud (David (P+) and"Iysaa (Jesus (P+) to whom Abu-Nasr Al-Amiyr Sulaymaan were all related genealogically.Abu-Nasr Al-Amiyr Sulaymaan, because of his family inheritance, his skillful business foresight and his spoils of war acquisitions became an immensely wealthy man. In fact he became one of the wealthiest individuals of his day. It has been estimated that his personal fixed property alone amounted to over one hundred square kilometers. His net worth today would amount to billions of dollars.
Despite his enormous wealth, Abu-Nasr Al-Amiyr Sulaymaan lived a remarkably simple life and was very rarely seen in public. It was his usual practice to spend most of his time in isolation worshipping his Lord. All who met him were struck by his simplicity and were sworn to uphold his hidden family identity.One day, Abu-Nasr Al-Amiyr Sulaymaan, called for an appointed day of assembly of the tribal Elders, other prominent Leaders, Scholars and Learned men. He told them that the time had come for him to give up all his wealth and use it all for the lofty cause of his Lord. He told them that all the moneys and proceeds of the lands must all go for the upkeep of the school that he had created and build in Siysaawah (near Shahrizur, Arbil or Sulaymaniyah in Iraq).
After having stated all the conditions of the school which among others are that-
- it shall be a school that shall be open to all who wish to learn.
-it shall be a school in which all who wish to learn shall have the right to free education in it.
-it shall be a school in which all who wish to learn shall have the right to free food from it.
-and it shall be a school in which all who wish to learn shall have the right to free lodging in it.
Abu-Nasr Al-Amiyr Sulaymaan stated that he had placed everything into the hands of Abul_muhsin Mullaa "Uthmaan Haamid
whom he said was the most upright and learned of his sons
and that he shall be responsible for the upkeep of the school and for the overseeing of the execution of all the stipulated conditions.
Abu-Nasr Al-Amiyr Sulaymaan also stated that after Abul_muhsin Mullaa "Uthmaan Haamid had passed on, the school shall be placed in the charge of the most upright and learned of the sons of his sons and so forth. And if it were to happen that they should become degenerate then it shall be placed in the charge of the sons of his daughters and so forth. And if it were also to happen that they were to go from bad to worse then it shall go to any of the most upright and learned of his scattered descendants who took up the course to uphold this eternal foundation and endowment .And if they should die out then it shall go on to the daughters of his daughters .And if they should die out it then it shall pass on to the nearest of the tribe and then to humanity.
In the end he prayed and sought refuge in The All_Mighty Creator ,Preserver and Destroyer, who sees to the end of time,
to protect his descendants from gradual corrosion and ultimate obliteration.Abu-Nasr Al-Amiyr Sulaymaan had everything written down and dated Wednesday, 23 Muharram 523A.H (corresponding to 23 January 1129).
Then signed it
Abu-Nasr Al-Amiyr Sulaymaan Al-Gaaziy Al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy (The poor man in need of The All_Mighty).
Here is more about the school of this family that lasted over seven hundred years until it was finally destroyed in 1831 and the family again had to flee to another part of the world and with it soon to be demise of the visible Ottoman Sunni Islaamic Khilaafah.
During the last ten years members of The Turkish Government (including Prime Minister Erdogan and Foreign Minister Davutoglu) came to South Africa.One of the first things they requested was to go to the grave of The Shaykh of Knowledge As_sayyid Abdullaah Abu Bakr Effendi al-khushnaawiy al-Qurashiy al-Amjadiy (1814-1880). This was reported in both the South African and Turkish Media.The Shaykh of Knowledge is buried on the world famous Signal Hill that is the abdomen part of a mountain shaped in the form of a crouching lion which lies next to The World Renowned Table Mountain (now voted by humanity and declared a seventh wonder of the world and said to be the most wondrous mountain in the world). The history of The Shaykh of Knowledge, his ancestry and his coming to South Africa has been described by historians and other writers as amazing and crying out to be written. It all started like this when the Muslims of The Colony of The Cape of Good Hope wrote a letter to the Governor as follows.
A unique historical event
On 16 April 1862
The Muslims of The Colony of The Cape of Good Hope
Cape Town
South Africa
wrote a letter to the Governor as follows.
"As it is well known, 85 years ago some of Javenese islands fell into the hands of
The Dutch Government.
Our fathers were all tied up in chains, enslaved and brought here.
We were afflicted with suffering and problems;
the Honourable British Empire set us free from the slavery of the previous government
and gave us our liberty.
For that, we thank the empire for it's help and grace, and in case of necessity,
it is incumbent upon us to sacrifice ourselves for it's cause.
We once again express our thanks and gratitude.
It is obvious that each nation has to know and apply it's religion and way of life and practice.
But
we forgot our language of origin, the language of Javenese,
the books and treatises are all written in that language and therefore
we obviously need a teacher to read and teach them.
Since the situation is like this
it is requested to bring
a scholar-teacher from a Muslim country
in order to teach and train us."16 Shawwaal 1278 (16 April 1862)
Signature
Muslim people
Cape of Good HopeOmar Lutfi " A travelogue of my journey to The Cape of Good hope. p.7.
translated by Yusuf KavakciThe Governor replied to the Muslims that it was not an easy matter for him and it had to be referred to Her Majesty Queen Victoria for Approval. ... The Governor's letter with the petition of the Muslims arrived at Queen Victoria's Government and it was discussed in parliament and recommendations were made. They then sent The letter to The Khalif of The Sunni World Sultan Abdul Aziz and The High Council of Islamic Affairs..................... It was Decided that the best person for the undertaking would be The Shaykh of Knowledge and The Shaykh of Islaam Abu Bakr Effendi(as he is mostly known). On 01 October 1862 The Shaykh of Knowledge left The Ottoman Islamic Khilafat in a ship from Istanbul bound for The Western World (it has been said that it was the first time in history that such an event took place between a Muslim government and a Christian one).
The Shaykh of Knowledge arrived in London on the 15 October 1862 and later at the palace of Queen Victoria where he met Lord Chamberlain who was waiting for his arrival. After spending one and a half months there he left on 01 December 1862 for The Colony of the Cape of Good Hope, Cape Town, South Africa.
The Shaykh of Knowledge arrived in Cape Town in the early morning of the 13th of January 1863 where soon all the prominent Imams of the Muslims came to welcome him. A photograph of the Shaykh with all the prominent Muslims leaders was taken and believed to be the oldest photograph of Muslims in South Africa if not its oldest dated in the country. The Shaykh of Knowledge did not wait long and within one month he set up a school of higher learning and had over 300 students out of a population of 17000. One of the first reforms he did was to encourage the ladies to return to wearing their modest Islaamic dress and then selected among the most intelligent ones among his students whom he then trained as teachers.He opened the first school of hifz and Arabic in South Africa as well as the first Muslim girls school and so forth. He trained many learned men and set up schools in many parts of Southern Africa. All this while he was learning to master the local language and English. The Shaykh also wrote the first book in the local language(354 pages) which was a mixture of Dutch and a smack of other languages which became Afrikaans, an Official language of South Africa. After the death of The Sultan and Khaliyf Abdul-Aziz, the Shaykh went back to Istanbul (1876) and one of the first things the new Sultan(Khalif Sultan Abdul-Hamid) did was to sign the printing of his book called The Explanation of the Diyn(Bayaanuddiyn). 1500 copies of the book was printed and it was translated in 1960 into English by a Dutch Scholar.It is said The Shaykh of Knowledge had more than 10 000 students all over the world. (Including Muhammad Dollie who went to England and found the first or one of the first Masjids there).
The Shaykh was born in Shahrizur Iraq in 1814 and started his education under his father aged two and had memorized the Quran by six. He studied first in the school set up in 523 Hijra or 1129 ACE. by his 25th ancestor known as abuw naSr al-amiyr sulaymaan al-ghaaziy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy. All the ancestors of the Shaykh were great scholars and many were advisers to those who had ruled as Khaliyfs of the Muslims . The family always lived and kept a low profile so as not to make known their full identity. As so many of the forefathers were killed beheaded and crucified. They were the secret family who went into hiding of amiyr Zayd ibn Ali ( son of Imam Zaynul Abidiyn son of amiyr Husayn grandson of the Prophet (S+).
Zayd ibn Ali was killed ,beheaded and crucified in a battle similar to the battle of Badr by the Umayyad forces.His body (skeleton) remained on the cross naked for four years and when the next Umayyad Khaliyf took over, he ordered that the skeleton be taken down burnt and then scattered to the wind over the Euphrates River. Amiyr Zayd ibn Ali's son yahyaa then took up the imaamat after him and was also killed , beheaded and crucified and his body remained on the cross for six years... (then imaam Ja'far aS-Saadiq handed it over to muhammad nafsuzzakiyyah and his brother Ibraahiym) muhammad was also killed ,beheaded and crucified. Then Ibraahiym took it up and he too was killed , beheaded and crucified. Like that the this branch (or stem of the Haashemites of Ahlul-bayt were despised by the people.Then the standard of imaamat and amiyrship passed on to "iysaa ibn Zayd ibn Ali(the forth son of Zayd ibn Ali). All over the world the government pursued Imaam amiyr "iysaa. After imaam amiyr "iysaa his son imaam amiyr ahmad took up the standard and went into hiding. He is known to history as ahmad al-mukhtafiy(the hidden). Then he fled to the land of Khashnaw(at sisawa in Iraq among the Kurds) and there he and his descendants kept a low profile and tried to attract no attention.It has also been reported that the ancestors of the Khashnaaw was give a ring by imaam zaynul Aabidiyn to rule over the territory of Khashnaaw. About 300 years later the family again surfaced when the twelfth descendant of Zayd ibn Ali arose by the name of the above mentioned abuw naSr al-amiyr sulaymaan al-ghaaziy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy and he founded his school.This is a brief outline of the Family Tree of The shaykh of Knowledge
shaykh-ul-ilm and shaykhu-l-islaam -> abd-ullaah abuw-bakr <- effendi al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( 1229 - 1297) / ( 1814 - 1880 )
son of
1
mullaa amiyr -> umar <- effendi al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( 1192 - 1247 ) / ( 1778 - 1831 )
son of
1
Salaah-ud-diyn mullaa amiyr -> muSTafaa <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( 1157 - 1224 ) / ( 1744 - 1809 )
son of
1
mawlanaa baabaa piyr -> sulaymaan <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-'amjadiy
( 1136 - 1199 ) / ( 1723 - 1785 )
son of
1
mullaa -> muSTafaa <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - 1167 ) / ( - 1754 )
son of
mullaa -> ibraahiym <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - 1152 ) / ( - 1739 )
son of
1
amiyr -> sulaymaan<- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( 1068 - 1130 ) / ( 1657- 1718 )
son of
1
amiyr -> muhammad <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( 1045- 1110 ) / ( 1635 - 1698 )
son of
1
aDaD-ud-diyn -> abd-ullaah abiy-zayd -><- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( 1012 - 1077 ) / ( 1603 - 1666 )
son of
1
izz-ud-diyn -> muhammad al-faDlu qaddasa sirrahu <-al_khushnaawiy al_qurashiy al_'amjadiy
( 976 - 1039 ) / ( 1568 - 1629 )
son of
1
amiyr -> abd-ullaah <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( 937 - 1003 ) / ( 1530 - 1594 )
son of
1
zayn-ud-diyn mullaa -> ahmad <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( 900 - 967 ) / ( 1494 - 1559 )
son of
1
mullaa abd- ul- haq -> sulaymaan <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( 871 - 929 ) / ( 1466 - 1523 )
son of
1
abu-sulaymaan -><- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( 841 - 882 ) / ( 1437 - 1477 )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb DhuHuwr-ud-diyn-><- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( ? - c.850 ) / ( ? - c.1446 )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ul-muHaymin -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( ? - ? ) / ( ? - ? )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ullaah -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( ? - ? ) / ( ? - ? )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ur-razzaaq -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( ? - ? ) / ( ? - ? )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-us-samiy -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( ? - ? ) / ( ? - ? )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-u llaah -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( ? - ? ) / ( ? - ? )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ul-waliyy -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( ? - ? ) / ( ? - ? )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ullaah -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( ? - ? ) / ( ? - ? )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb buTuwn-ud-diyn -><- <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( c.541 - ? ) / (c.1146 - ? )
son of
1
abuw-l-muhsin mullaa -> uthmaan haamid <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( c. 483 - c.555 ) / (c. 1090 - c.1160 )
son of
1
abuw-naSr al-amiyr -> sulaymaan <-al-ghaaziy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( c. 459 - c.528 ) / ( c.1057 - c.1134 )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb iyqaaDh-ud-diyn -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ul-hakiym -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ullaah -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ul-baSiyr-><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ullaah-><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ul-khabiyr-> <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ul-baatin -> <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
mawlanaa -> ahmad <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
'amiyr abd-ul-majiyd -> muhammad abd-ullaah sulaymaan<- al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
'amiyr abd-u-l-hamiyd al-khalaf->'ahmadu-l-mukhtafiy abd-ullaah muhammad<- al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
(? - ?) / (? -? )
son of
1
'amiyr abd-uS-Samad as-salaf->"abdullaah yahyaa iysaa<- al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
'amiyr-ul-mujaahidiyn haliyfu-l-qur'aan -> zaydu-al-shahiyd <- al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
imaam zaynu-l-aabidiyn -> aliy as-sajjaad <- al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
amiyr-ush-shuhadaa imaam -> husayn <- al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
khaliyfatullaah amiyr-ul-mu?miniyn -> aliy <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
abuw Taalib -> imraan <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
abd-l-muTTalib ->shayba <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
Haashim -> amru-l-ulaa <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
abdu manaaf -> al-mughiyra <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
quSayy -> zayd <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
kilaab -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
murra -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
ka"b -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
lu'ayy -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
ghaalib -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
1
fihr -><-al-quraysh al-amjadiy
( - ) / ( - )
son of
Now this is my family history. I hope that answered something of your question.
- it shall be a school that shall be open to all who wish to learn.
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@al-amyir said
"Peace to the nth power
... I will show you and you and all in this forum will also see it. There will be no uncertainty. I have always made it known many years back that I am going to make it known on the internet before December 2012 is out. I have made this known on many forums around the world. Thousands are waiting. Just be a little patient. You have placed this request upon me and therefore I have no option but to fulfill it. If I did not mention it here, then you might not have known about it. I will respond today to all your other points inshaa allaah."
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604775.msg316010#msg316010(I take refuge in God from rejected Satan, in case this is a trick of virtual technology to lead us astray...)
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Sister member justmuslim ;
Do you know what Muhammed (PBUH) was given ?
To answer your question the Koran.
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Sorry that I have to come in here. Are you beginning to launch a campaign against al-amiyr? Why do you not let the man complete what he said he is doing. He has from the beginning said what he was doing. I am also here and am interested in his explanations. You say God guides. How do you know that God is not guiding him? Or are you getting guidance alone. Look how many people are reading his threads! It seems like this thread is going to be one of the fastest growing in this forum; a sure sign many are interested. And surely if al-amiyr don't deliver the goods, as he said he would, he will also go down as another charlatan. Is that not so?
No, I am not launching any campaign against al-Amyr. Listen, he came on board opening up various threads in this category making claims. I have made some observations about him, and his style. Posted my thoughts, comments, observation. This forum is for discussion, questions, sharing thoughts, opinions, evaluating beliefs and views. is it not? So by questioning him and asking him to back up his claims and pointing out what I have observed, I am now running a campaign against him?
Why doesn't al-Amyr create website or write book publishing which would reach audiences worldwide? Why not write his posts and then refer us all to his link? Instead of ministering to people here on the forum.
He made the claim that the knowledge he has is not of his own but comes from prophet Muhammed. Ok that is something quite serious. It is up to al-Amyr to back up his claim and provide evidence which can be corroborated. Don't you think? Listen, if I made a claim that I have some intelligence information from president Obama, would you all believe me without questioning? Or will you just run with the intelligence info?
about guidance
Like I said, people here on this forum and others have helped me to understand the Koran increasing my knowledge but it is God who guides people. I share my knowledge and as a result, my mom came to know about hadiths and now only follows the Koran. I didn't guide her. I did not deliver her from darkness. I just shared what I knew. Right now, i am in the process of writing to my uncle pointing certain things out to him. If he then starts following the Koran, it is not because "I" guided him. I think IAMOP said it better what I am trying to convey. I refer to her post.The Koran, is a book of guidance for those who believe. Guidance is already there. The truth is already there. We all have the Koran with us. So what truth am I not seeing? Al-amyr made this claim that he has this knowledge that will astonish and deliver people from darkness seeing the truth, ok what does that mean? You have to follow and understand all his 20 posts to see this truth? Ok - what truth? Why not make himself clear?
He said and I quote " There is none in the world who have this knowledge but our family and we teach it to the people and then they realize who we are". Ok why doesn't he tell us who he is? Who is he?
He said that he has been on Shia and Sunni forums. I want to know if he is a hadith follower as he did quote Bukhari. Is he Sunni, Shia, Sufi? What is his aim or goal? For us to follow the Koran alone? Provide evidence that the Koran is the word of God?
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Just popping in to say that I support justamuslim.
Al-aymir is not being as transparent as possible. Why can't you answer where you get your information from? It's not in the Qur'an, any of your alleged truths. Come right out and say there is information besides what is contained in the Quran, that Prophet Mohamed received to share with the public.
Salaam
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Just popping in to say that I support justamuslim.
Al-aymir is not being as transparent as possible. Why can't you answer where you get your information from? It's not in the Qur'an, any of your alleged truths. Come right out and say there is information besides what is contained in the Quran, that Prophet Mohamed received to share with the public.
Salaam
salaam
Have you read completely my two threads dealing with the hidden book? If yes I can respond accordingly inshaa allaah. I have no problem with any questions. The problem is if people have not read the material and then wants me to answer what I have already made clear then it becomes unproductive, especially when their manner in doing so is unbecoming.
salaam
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I have read the material and did the mental and verbal exercises given. I've been following this thread since its inception and the thread you made before it. It still isn't clear why a Quran Alone muslim should accept your claims when they have no Qur'anic basis, like B represent a point in the 'void'. I get why people are interested, but the information presented here cannot be considered scripture based.
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I have read the material and did the mental and verbal exercises given. I've been following this thread since its inception and the thread you made before it. It still isn't clear why a Quran Alone muslim should accept your claims when they have no Qur'anic basis, like B represent a point in the 'void'. I get why people are interested, but the information presented here cannot be considered scripture based.
That is why it is being outlined. Someone who is illiterate but has memorized the Qur'aan will never find where the letter b exists in the Qur'aan. Likewise one who is ignorant of this knowledge will seek in vain where to find it. Don't reject it until all the proofs are given otherwise you will stand a chance of rejecting what ALLAAH himself has determined. All I can say is as I have already said before, that I am presenting the knowledge for you to see. It takes time and cannot be done overnight especially over a forum which includes my own limitations.