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savage_carrot

Farida, Godsubmitter, good logic, savage carrot,mmkhan, and all those on this forum, do you all believe that prophet Muhammed had this knowledge which obviously he didn't share it with the world keeping it a secret? If this is true, what other secrets did Muhammed keep from humanity that which we don't know about?
Justamuslim, I generally agree with you if it wasn't clear from my post/s on the topic. The issue is, some consider this 'fellow' inclusive of the 'fellow' himself...to be 'knowledgeable'. So, let him get to the part where it can be clearly seen by most members just what he's on about. Some of us can predict this is going to be kinda, shall we say... anti-climatic, but the others who've gotten geometry boxes in anticipation are going to be pissed that we sacked the instructor before he had a chance to tell them how to measure straight lines.

Besides, he has a whole host of angels supporting him in the form of several new accounts on this forum from his home city. Their main purpose is to gently fan him with their wings, in time for his next post. They'd make excellent drummers because they can keep a beat and apparently the momentum going. We shall be shortly asking 'them' about their musical inclinations, so to say )

good_logic

Peace justamuslim.

I will clarify for you and everyone else in this forum.

I believe Qoran is fully detailed( bearing in mind it confirms the other scriptures). There are no other books/hidden secrets/scrolls/hadiths( ie men s books)... that contain other information given by God . If whatever others claim/write/explain... does not agree with Qoran it is false as far as " Deen" is concerned.

6114 Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law ( and service/religion!); When HE has revealed to you this book fully detailed? ( No need for the words of men?) Those who received the scripture ( before you) recognise that it has been revealed from your Lord truthfully. ( With proof that it is the word of GOD? ) You shall not harbour any doubt.?

Those who reverence God Alone, know that they will be accountable to Him

76 We will certainly question those who received the message ,( then made up doctrines, false religion,False claims?) and we will question the messengers.?

77 We will inform them ( all humans on the day of judgement) authoritatively, for We were never absent.?
We can try to fool people but we can never fool God.

752 We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, ( Is this true? Check it?) with knowledge, guidance and mercy for the people who believe.?

( Did GOD give Moses the Tablets? HIS own words? Did GOD require the children of Israel to write their own words?)

7169 Subsequent to them, ( The children of Israel) HE (GOD) substituted new generations who inherited the scripture .(The word of GOD!) But they opted for the worldly life instead, ( and the words of Men!) saying? We will be forgiven?, but then they continued to opt for the materials of this world. ( and justify their deviation from the word of GOD!) Did they not make a covenant to uphold the scripture (and only follow the word of GOD!) and not to say about GOD except the truth? Did they not study the scripture? ( It forbade them from following idols?) Certainly the hereafter is far better for those who believe (and stay loyal to GOD!) and maintain righteousness ( Follow the word of GOD only!). Do you not understand??

7181 Among our creation there are those who guide with the truth ( and follow only the word of GOD!) and the truth renders them righteous.?

829 O you who believe, if you reverence GOD, ( Stay loyal, only follow only HIS word!) HE will enlighten you, ( Teaches you HIS system/religion) remits your sins and forgives you. GOD possesses infinite grace.?

God Alone is enough for me.

Peace.

farida

@farida. Not ignoring your posts. It just means that I don't have the time.

Salaam sister
You confirmed that you have not read my posts, just read all the posts and then I will pay attention to you; otherwise whatever I say will pile up on your unread file.

By the way farida, I didn't intend to insult your intelligence. .

You did insult my intelligence by saying ; have you verified this claim made by al-Amyr about his lineage not that it makes his claims any more credible
Have you heard the saying 'do not judge the book by its cover'? Let me spell it out for you; it's not his linage but the content of brother al-amiyr's posts, which I read several time and I'm still going through it and discovering more info that is important to me.

As you said you have seen a lot, and I took that to mean that you are wise

Age does not necessarily make one wise, but experience does help one not to jump to conclusions as one learns with age how many surprise are still awating one, despite thinking one has seen it all o

I owe you an apology for that but I am not retracting my statement that you are wise though.

Above all you owe an apology to your judge and mine and please retract your statement where you gave your judgement; Of course, mmkhan is a nice guy Remember this is you judging him had you said I think mmkhan is nice guy than it would have been just your openion.
Salaam

farida

Some of us can predict this is going to be kinda, shall we say... anti-climatic, but the others who've gotten geometry boxes in anticipation are going to be pissed that we sacked the instructor before he had a chance to tell them how to measure straight lines.

Dear savage_carrot

hmm carefully you are forgetting one very important component
A Clean Blank Paper
I don't need to tell that one has to have that in order to draw a straight line

Besides, he has a whole host of angels supporting him in the form of several new accounts on this forum from his home city.

'The angels' are not necessarily supporters of al-amiyr who are signing on new accounts on this forum from his home city

Their main purpose is to gently fan him with their wings, in time for his next post. They'd make excellent drummers because they can keep a beat and apparently the momentum going. We shall be shortly asking 'them' about their musical inclinations, so to say )

Their main aim is more likey to fan a fire for him.
hmm
Salaam

justamuslim

@farida. When someone describes a person as being nice, beautiful, kind, stupid, ignorant, arrogant,etc, obviously it is what that person thinks or feels. It is that person's opinion. Now aren't you being judgmental by claiming that I judged mmkhan? Didn't you just pass a judgment on me accusing me of being judgmental for expressing my description of mmkhan just because I said "mmkhan is a nice guy" and not the way that you think I should have said?

You called me a "scarety cat". What do you consider that? Not only did you pass a judgment on me but you put me down, calling me names.

Geesh! Listen, God knows me and at the end of the day that is all that matters. It was I who said that mmkhan is a nice guy. And i will say it again that mmkhan is a nice guy. God knows that is my opinion. As far as I am concerned, God's opinion is all that matters. )

I agree with you that age does not translate to wisdom. I did not state that based on your age. I don't know how old you are anyway and I don't want to know. When you said in one of you posts about how you have seen much, etc I took that to mean that you are wise. That was mistake and wrong on my part and I will retract that. I will say it once again, that I was not insulting your intelligence. Regardless you took it that way and I apologized for that as clearly that was NOT my intention. The angels questioned God asking him would he put someone on earth who would cause bloodshed or along those lines. It is a verse in sura 2. Now, were the angels insulting God and His intelligence? No, it is not a statement about God and his intelligence but about the angels who didn't understand, couldn't believe.

Anyhow Farida, I really wish to clear things up and not to harp on this more. Thanks.

savage_carrot

Dear savage_carrot

hmm carefully you are forgetting one very important component
A Clean Blank Paper
I don't need to tell that one has to have that in order to draw a straight line
Here I thought one could draw straight lines on anything and everything had one the inclination...obviously there is some important reason why A Clean Blank Paper is highlighted as opposed to missing the lines one is supposed to read inbetween.

'The angels' are not necessarily supporters of al-amiyr who are signing on new accounts on this forum from his home city
And the reason home city is highlighted in red is because...? They don't have A Clean Blank Paper?

Their main aim is more likey to fan a fire for him.
hmm
Brilliant. It's reverse psychology of course. hmm indeed, I likey.

farida

Anyhow Farida, I really wish to clear things up and not to harp on this more. Thanks.

Thank you it's chrystal clear.
All the best
peace

farida

Here I thought one could draw straight lines on anything and everything had one the inclination...obviously there is some important reason why A Clean Blank Paper is highlighted as opposed to missing the lines .

Yup

one is supposed to read inbetween.

First you have to draw a line ;D

And the reason home city is highlighted in red is because...? They don't have A Clean Blank Paper?Brilliant

Red is for those who are signing on from their home city. Now you have to read between the colours.

It's reverse psychology of course. .

No its free-mind.

hmm indeed, I likey

handshake

justamuslim

@good logic

Thank you for quoting the verses.

i don't want people to lose sight of what al-Amyr is claiming. Someone in his defense asked me in the other thread how do I know that God didn't guide al-Amyr. Ok al-Amyr did not come up with this discovery or knowledge. He claimed that it come from prophet Muhammed. This is what he wants us to believe. Although he did not come out and say it, basically the deduction is that God revealed this knowledge to prophet Muhammed. How else could prophet have gotten this knowledge? On his own? No.

Some fundamental truths The Koran is not the words of Muhammed. It is the revelation from God. They are the words of God. Whatever God revealed, it is all there in the Koran. It is complete. So to believe in Al-almyr claims is a rejection of the koran. To say that God revealed this knowledge to Muhammed who kept it a secret is a blatant lie. The Koran is clear about fabricating lies about God. Not only that, his claims then leads to questioning the integrity of the prophet and God. What else did God reveal to prophet that we don't know about and did God lie to us? What else did prophet Muhammed keep away from us?

Al-amyrs claims about this "guidance" is clearly not supported by the Koran. I don't care how fantastic this knowledge is and fully agreeing with the Koran. It could be mind boggling. I reject all lies told about God and the prophet!! Why would I want to listen to someone telling lies about God and prophet Muhammed?

I am sure there will be those who will believe all that al-Amyr says thinking they are guided and so enlightened by his knowledge. They will be astonished. Moved to tears. And much more than that.

Clearly it will not be me!

al-amiyr

@good logic

Thank you for quoting the verses.

i don't want people to lose sight of what al-Amyr is claiming. Someone in his defense asked me in the other thread how do I know that God didn't guide al-Amyr. Ok al-Amyr did not come up with this discovery or knowledge. He claimed that it come from prophet Muhammed. This is what he wants us to believe. Although he did not come out and say it, basically the deduction is that God revealed this knowledge to prophet Muhammed. How else could prophet have gotten this knowledge? On his own? No.

Some fundamental truths The Koran is not the words of Muhammed. It is the revelation from God. They are the words of God. Whatever God revealed, it is all there in the Koran. It is complete. So to believe in Al-almyr claims is a rejection of the koran. To say that God revealed this knowledge to Muhammed who kept it a secret is a blatant lie. The Koran is clear about fabricating lies about God. Not only that, his claims then leads to questioning the integrity of the prophet and God. What else did God reveal to prophet that we don't know about and did God lie to us? What else did prophet Muhammed keep away from us?

Al-amyrs claims about this "guidance" is clearly not supported by the Koran. I don't care how fantastic this knowledge is and fully agreeing with the Koran. It could be mind boggling. I reject all lies told about God and the prophet!! Why would I want to listen to someone telling lies about God and prophet Muhammed?

I am sure there will be those who will believe all that al-Amyr says thinking they are guided and so enlightened by his knowledge. They will be astonished. Moved to tears. And much more than that.

Clearly it will not be me!

Pay heed to the following warning from ALLAAH in His Qur'aan.

Those who behave arrogantly on the earth in defiance of right -
them will I turn away from My signs
Even if they see all the signs, they will not believe in them;
and if they see the way of right conduct, they will not adopt it as the way;
but if they see the way of error, that is the way they will adopt.
For they have rejected our signs, and failed to take warning from them.

Continue with your mockery!

justamuslim

@savage_carrot

Al-Amyr opened up several threads in this section/category. If he comes here starts threads and makes claim then he should be prepared for questioning as this forum is for discussion, evaluation, questioning, etc. So al-amyr or someone else can come on this forum writing whatever and we are all supposed to be like good little children keeping quiet and let him say whatever? I don't think so.

al-amyr has been going on for how long now? He is on post 14? How long before post 20? While he opens up thread here and there and drags this one for another month, we are all supposed to sit and let him say whatever till he finishes. Not me.

Shouldn't al-amyr focus and finish doing what he said he would do by today instead of opening up threads like this one about how satan works on world forums? What was his point? He opened up this thread which he said he has done in other forums - implication being what? People delaying him, banning him for doing what he is trying to do. He has used the words of God from the Koran and what do you call when you use the words of God to serve your purpose? And you all expect me to sit here and keep quiet? Sorry, not happening.

Listen Al-amyr, if you have some knowledge then why not just share the knowledge. Simple. Why don't you stop lamenting, stop with all this flowery words, lamenting about how you have been banned on other forums, etc and get to your points. Stop blaming others for supposedly delaying you from doing what you want to do. people have asked you to get to your points but YOU have dragged this long.

You said that you have been in other Sunni and shia forums, You have been doing this for a year now. You said in your introduction that you were on a forum for a month and had no response or something like that. You have been here for almost a month now and yet to finish posting like you said What is taking you so long? And why are you blaming others? And satan?

By the way, satan has no power. He gets his power from people. At the end, satan will say hey don't blame me for what you did. I remember reading a verse like that in the Koran. So i suggest taking responsibility for your own actions.

You said that that this knowledge has been passed down through the generations and your family has taught this to others. So it is not like "satan" is all frantically trying to stop or delay you. If you have this knowledge and have been on the forums all this year, why did it take you 70 hours to finish post 14?

also shouldn't you be all prepared before you go public with this knowledge. If you are ill prepared, don't blame others. The blame is on you. Again you have been on other forums and have had this knowledge. You have had the experience.

I don't know what people are complaining about letting him finish. Ok again this is a forum for questions and discussions, not for someone to come and minister to people dragging on and on. Who is stopping him from creating his own website or book or just coming here and posting all of his 20 posts? If anything people have been asking him to get to it.

For all those who are waiting for this knowledge, I am not stopping you from personally contacting al-Amyr. Farida has been sending him personal messages. And I believe al-Amyr mentioned about 7 members or something like that sending him personal messages and communicating. May be if you guys quit doing that, then he can finish his postings! I don't know what you guys are all worried about. You all can contact him, call him,meet with him outside of this forum. If al-Amyr is sick and dying, well he said that there are others who he has taught this knowledge to and I am sure al-Amyr and others would not act so irresponsibly to let this knowledge be destroyed. It has been kept in his family for 44 generations and surely, he has passed it on to the next and also others have been taught this knowledge who would be more than happy to teach this knowledge to whoever needs it. I am sure al-Amyr would not be so irresponsible to let you all live in darkness because of people like me. If he is in ailing health, I am sure he can connect you guys who want to learn, with someone who he has taught his lessons to possessing the knowledge. Those who learn this knowledge can then take it globally disseminating the info as Internet reaches wide audiences these days. No one is stopping you guys.

I don't understand what all this near hysteria is about. Again, let me make myself clear to all the supporters of al-Amyr. I am not stopping al-Amyr from teaching his lessons. He can give private lessons but if you all want him doing it here on the forum, you can ask the administrators which I did to create a section for him to minister to you all without interruption. Or why don't you all move the thread to miscellaneous? Al-amyrs posts don't belong in this section. What general issue or questions is he bringing up here in this category?

This forum is for discussion, questions, expressing thoughts, views, opinions, etc. Unless you all want to change that. Time to time, I get emails from Muslims living in the closet and I tell them hey, you are not alone and refer them here. I really hesitated couple of days ago referring someone here.

By the way, al-Amyr if there is anything you want to say to me, don't send me personal messages. Say it here in the forum. I address you here and so can you.

justamuslim

Continue with your mockery!

Like I said, I don't have a veil over my eyes. I know all too well how satan works. Using the words of God to instill fear - not going to work with me. Nice try though.

You can fool others and I am sure you will take followers with you from here on this forum and else where. Happens all the time.

al-amiyr

By the way, al-Amyr if there is anything you want to say to me, don't send me personal messages. Say it here in the forum. I address you here and so can you.

Please don't insinuate that I have sent you any PMs. I don't have private communications with the raw and uncouth.

al-amiyr

Like I said, I don't have a veil over my eyes. I know all too well how satan works. Using the words of God to instill fear - not going to work with me. Nice try though.

You can fool others and I am sure you will take followers with you from here on this forum and else where. Happens all the time.

You are completely misguided and only looking for attention.

justamuslim

Please don't insinuate that I have sent you any PMs. I don't have private communications with the raw and uncouth.

And what makes me raw and uncouth - may I ask?

justamuslim

You are completely misguided and only looking for attention.

How am I misguided? Can you please explain. And what attention am I looking for?

al-amiyr

And what makes me raw and uncouth - may I ask?

You seem unrefined.

al-amiyr

How am I misguided? Can you please explain. And what attention am I looking for?

Have you ever read the Qur'aan and do you believe in it?

al-amiyr

How am I misguided? Can you please explain. And what attention am I looking for?

You remind me of this lady.

There was a young lady of Riga
Who smiled as she rode on the back of a tiger
They returned from the ride
With the lady inside
And the smile on the face of the tiger

justamuslim

You remind me of this lady.

There was a young lady of Riga
Who smiled as she rode on the back of a tiger
They returned from the ride
With the lady inside
And the smile on the face of the tiger

why do I remind of this lady?
and can you provide me with the reference? Thanks