ShayTaan And His Allies In The World's Forums
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You seem unrefined.
Again al-Amyr, you say that I am raw, uncouth and unrefined. But can you explain what makes me raw, uncouth and unrefined? You are saying all these things about me but can you explain.
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Have you ever read the Qur'aan and do you believe in it?
Yes, I have. And yes, I do.
But you didn't answer...how am I misguided? Could you please explain
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Al-Amyr, you made the claim that this knowledge you have which will astonish people is not your own but of prophet Muhammed who kept it a secret and this secret has been passed from one generation to the next. Basically what you are saying is that God gave this knowledge to prophet Muhammed who kept it a secret.
This claim is a lie when held up to the Koran. Instead of calling me raw, uncouth, unrefined, etc, could you please put aside your opinion of me and address this.
Also can you tell me the name of the son of the prophet Muhammed again who the prophet taught this knowledge to? Thanks.
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You are completely misguided and only looking for attention.
Again, you allege that I am only looking for attention but you didn't explain. Again what attention am I looking for?
I like you to address your claim about prophet Muhammed having kept this knowledge a secret which according to the Koran - per God (not me) is a blatant lie.
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Al-Amyr opened up several threads in this section/category. If he comes here starts threads and makes claim then he should be prepared for questioning as this forum is for discussion, evaluation, questioning, etc. So al-amyr or someone else can come on this forum writing whatever and we are all supposed to be like good little children keeping quiet and let him say whatever? I don't think so.
Who said you're supposed to keep quiet and let him say whatever? People have always responded to threads with different opinions long as this forum's been around.
al-amyr has been going on for how long now? He is on post 14? How long before post 20? While he opens up thread here and there and drags this one for another month, we are all supposed to sit and let him say whatever till he finishes. Not me.
No one's stopping you from saying something till he finishes. You could take a stand as opposed to sitting which you've done.Shouldn't al-amyr focus and finish doing what he said he would do by today instead of opening up threads like this one about how satan works on world forums? What was his point? He opened up this thread which he said he has done in other forums - implication being what? People delaying him, banning him for doing what he is trying to do. He has used the words of God from the Koran and what do you call when you use the words of God to serve your purpose? And you all expect me to sit here and keep quiet? Sorry, not happening.
Who's expecting you to keep quiet? I mean you keep saying this...and I don't get why. Is this guy being allowed to post and everyone else has been sworn to silence? I don't see the latter in effect or enforced, do you?I don't know what people are complaining about letting him finish. Ok again this is a forum for questions and discussions, not for someone to come and minister to people dragging on and on. Who is stopping him from creating his own website or book or just coming here and posting all of his 20 posts? If anything people have been asking him to get to it.
Look, I understand your point of view, in fact a lot of other people here also understand and share your point of view or will had they read the threads. They might not join the 'run the conman outta town' movement yet, but eventually they will. Some of the reasons may be...not trying to make it into a martyr situation, seeing if post 20 actually comes in this lifetime, having completed a treasure hunt for geometry boxes and A CLEAN BLANK PAPER! and now awaiting their prize, not bothered with yet another claimant to secret surprises, being entertained by the drama and not wanting it to end before they've had their fill, not having read the threads, letting it run it's course until something snaps...who knows. Like I said, if this drags on, which it probably will...we'll address the situation.I don't understand what all this near hysteria is about. Again, let me make myself clear to all the supporters of al-Amyr. I am not stopping al-Amyr from teaching his lessons. He can give private lessons but if you all want him doing it here on the forum, you can ask the administrators which I did to create a section for him to minister to you all without interruption. Or why don't you all move the thread to miscellaneous? Al-amyrs posts don't belong in this section. What general issue or questions is he bringing up here in this category?
Did I miss the near hysteria? Where was this? And who are the supporters of this guy anyways? If we take away the new accounts which shouldn't even be counted due to reasons explained...you're left with? One? 1.5? No one's stopping you from posting on his threads once again. Tell him like it is. In fact, post daily or 12 hourly or whatever about post 20, his ridiculous claims, his tardiness, his lame limericks and so on.This forum is for discussion, questions, expressing thoughts, views, opinions, etc. Unless you all want to change that. Time to time, I get emails from Muslims living in the closet and I tell them hey, you are not alone and refer them here. I really hesitated couple of days ago referring someone here.
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Peace s.c., brothers and sisters.
We must now be used to the fact that " Anti- virus" must be updated to keep working.
Time and again we seem to be fighting the same virus, when it changes into a different virus and attacks again.
Brother Savage is right. Our " Anti-virus" will work if we are fair.
We must trust in God Alone and persevere.
Peace and a joyful new year to all.
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Exactly, GL.
May all our years be peaceful and joyous
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Yes, I have. And yes, I do.
But you didn't answer...how am I misguided? Could you please explain
Because you seem to deny that the prophet(S+) received two Books from ALLAAH. The One called The Book (al-kitaab) and the other called The Reading/Recitation (al-qur'aan). That is why I said that you are misguided based upon the reading of all your words you said thus far in this forum that I have read.
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Peace s.c., brothers and sisters.
We must now be used to the fact that " Anti- virus" must be updated to keep working.
Time and again we seem to be fighting the same virus, when it changes into a different virus and attacks again.
Brother Savage is right. Our " Anti-virus" will work if we are fair.
We must trust in God Alone and persevere.
Peace and a joyful new year to all.
Peace
And I agree. Only losers fight and try to destroy others from expressing their views. Truly falsehood will perish in the presence of truth. Is it not?
Peace
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@savage carrot.
Thanks for your post. I will do just that. I know there are lurkers here who are reading.
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Instead of calling me raw, uncouth, unrefined, etc, could you please put aside your opinion of me and address this.
Then don't be cunning to post insinuations that I send Pms to you which I never did. And then act in a decent manner when speaking. Then ask me one or two questions at a time instead of rambling off a dozen which will require full explanations. And don't make derogatory remarks when addressing the issue. Play the ball and not the man. Then I will address all your issues and know that you are not an agent of some Madtrix inshaa allaah.
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Rav Kook said
"Therefore, the pure righteous do not complain of the dark, but increase the light;
they do not complain of evil, but increase justice;
they do not complain of heresy, but increase faith;
they do not complain of ignorance, but increase wisdom."peace
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What is it now, dare I ask?
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Salaam to all of you on this forum, intresting is an understatement for what i have read thus far. I entered many forums just to browse since i am new here, i have noticed some replies are rather harsh the manner in which some things are said, ouch!! Sadly i would have to admit that I have missed these discussions, we will never and could never know everything about Islam. One should remain hungry to feed the very soul that searches for knowledge. The topics with regards to the Hidden Book sounds fascinating and has me moving from one site to another to learn more. To the insignificant but knowledgeable fellow al - amiyr you have all my respect and well wishes for the future regarding your work.
I am new to this forum. I am one of these "lurkers" that justamuslim referred. I have been following al-amiyr's threads and felt that I needed to join.
Agree that some of the replies have been harsh but haven't anyone noticed how al-amiyr's reaction when justamuslim stood up to him, challenging him was abusive?
Not only that but when she pointed his abusive behavior out to him, he offered no apologies but instead justified his abusive behavior by blaming her for not talking to him the way he wanted her to.
I am absolutely appalled at how people have basically remained silent while al-amiyr continued with his abusive behavior. No one found it disturbing when he related a story of a tiger eating a woman and that justamuslim reminded him of this woman?
What I find much more disturbing than the abuser is the reticence and how members like this poster encouraging al-amiyr to continue.
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Another agent of the system who is afraid of the amicable resolution of the conflict.
I am new to this forum. I am one of these "lurkers" that justamuslim referred. I have been following al-amiyr's threads and felt that I needed to join.
Agree that some of the replies have been harsh but haven't anyone noticed how al-amiyr's reaction when justamuslim stood up to him, challenging him was abusive?
Not only that but when she pointed his abusive behavior out to him, he offered no apologies but instead justified his abusive behavior by blaming her for not talking to him the way he wanted her to.
I am absolutely appalled at how people have basically remained silent while al-amiyr continued with his abusive behavior. No one found it disturbing when he related a story of a tiger eating a woman and that justamuslim reminded him of this woman?
What I find much more disturbing than the abuser is the reticence and how members like this poster encouraging al-amiyr to continue.
Another agent of the system who is afraid of the amicable resolution of the conflict. Go to the thread she made yesterday and read the latest, Questions about al-amiyr by justmuslim. http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604853.0.
Some discussions between al-amiyr and justmuslim
as-salaamu "alaykum justmuslim
Your questions are all valid. I am accustomed to all these questions over many forums and I have answered most of the time all them to great satisfaction. You must also understand that it is not easy for me to just answer because I need to substantiate what I say. My real intention is to speak about this knowledge. I do not say that no questions must be asked.
I have spoken to thousands during the years in many lectures. I have made it clear that this knowledge is not in Book form. It is a program upon which the Qur'aan is based. It must be understood. It is the meanings of the letters of the Qur'aan and it is called the Book (al-kitaab). Why do you not examine if this is factual what I am presenting. I promise you that you will be amazed at it and see how great this knowledge is and how much more you will love ALLAAH and The Qur'aan.
If you go back to our previous correspondence you will see that you did not speak to me in a proper manner and therefore I have responded accordingly. I have never maligned anybody on this forum in any way. I just try and do my own thing. But I also do not think that it is right for people to take me out of context and put over an incorrect impression.
I think that both of us can have intelligent discussion on both our terms. what do you think of that?shukran and salaam
justmuslim replies,
Al-Amiyr,
Thank you for your post.
I know what your intentions are. I cannot reach the end point till some things are clear to me from the start and along the way. Keep in mind that you are presenting information to the public where your audiences are coming from all walks if life, different background, at different stages in their faith and evoluation towards God. As you have lectured this knowldge for years, i am sure you have much experience dealing with students at different levels.
You are presenting information that I have never heard of before and goes against everything that I know of to be the truth. In order for me to get to where you want me to be, I need some clarifications. Also keep in mind that you are talking to a non-hadith follower.
Ok so this knowledge is not in book form. I think that I get that. But I don't think that you are getting me, al-Amiyr. Your lessons are in a written format. You are writing it down and posting it. You are not teaching me this lesson orally. You have posted it in other forums. You said you have written articles published in local newspaper. Do you understand what I am saying now? You are communicating to us of this knowledge in written format. You are teaching us of this knowledge in a written medium.
And that is what I was asking. Just as you are doing now, did your dad teach you this knowledge in written form or was it verbal? Now going back to the beginning, did prophet Muhammed teach this knowledge which I understand is not in book form but did he teach this knowledge to his grandson like you have been doing or did he teach it orally? That is all i am asking.
I hope that we are now in the same page. I think that I am asking some simple questions which doesn't really involve substantiating. Ok - if I tell my mom what I am learning from you, she is going to ask me who you are and a whole bunch of questions.
You said that you have given lectures for years. Where? Are you a professor? What kind of professor? What is your profession? Educational background? you seem very highly intelligent.
justmuslim quoted from al-amiyr's previous post,
i would appreciate it if you would let me know how you would want me to speak to you. What would you consider to be a proper way of speaking to you? Can you let me know how i spoke to you before so that I won't speak to you like that again. I think that we have had a break through here - don't you agree? To avoid set backs, I think it would be best if you could let me know what is proper way for me to speak. Thanks.
al-amiyr replied,
Thank you justmuslim
The way you speak now I consider perfect communication. Nothing more is expected. This way we can all correspond effectively without adding what is unnecessary. I agree fully with what you have said above. I will get back to all your questions as I am more eager to speak about it than you would like to hear. I am working on post 15 and it will be easy. Remember I have a deadline that I must fulfill and there are many who are waiting but I will give everyday one or two answers inshaa allaah. Let me hear your suggestions.
al-amiyr
justmuslim replies,
I think this a good compromise. Don't get me wrong, I too want to read all of your 20 posts. I would appreciate if you could also help me along by answering one of my simple questions one day at a time. It is like you read the Koran but you also want to know who prophet Muhammed was. Just the same, I want to know who you are.
Actually, I think that I have not asked you nearly all the questions that I asked about prophet Muhammed and other messengers. Were they all suffering from delusional religious grandiosity? It is by way of questioning we learn and come to the truth. Don't you agree?
I am eagerly awaiting to read your posts and answers to my questions. So continue on. I am dying to know about your educational background. What is your profession? Do you hold degrees? You seem so highly intelligent.
justmuslim post again after I replied to another post,
Al-Amiyr,
I am asking you to please stay focused as you have a deadline to meet and I am just dying for some answers. When I saw that you had posted, I was excited but then only disappointed that I didn't get my questions answered.
Ok - you are now torturing me here. Could you please put me out of my misery a little by answering - what is your educational background? It is hard for me to fully concentrate on your posts when I keep wondering who you are.
al-amiyr posted,
+salaam justmuslim
You have proven to me that you are much more intelligent and truthful than I thought. It has now come to my understanding that your eagerness for the upholding of truth has been a factor in my judgement. Your intelligence and truthful manner has now appeared like a ray of light upon unsparkled horizon.
Because of this I have been inspired to put all your questions together and hope that you will ask all the others you said you still had. I will even add more questions to the list if that will be required.
You said and I quote,
You also said and I quote,
And then again you also said and I quote again,
And finally you said and finally I quote,
I think we can make the best compromise. It is called fifty fifty. Here is my proposal.For every question that I have answered for you in this thread = you will read one of my posts about the Book (al-kitaab) and comment what I post for you in this thread.
What do you think of that?The Qur'aan 04238
Those who respond to their Lord
and establish salat,
and manage their affairs by mutual consultation
and give of what We have provided for them.wa "alaykum-us-salaam
Does that now seem to you like al-amiyr is abusive and would a lady speak so nice to someone whom she knows abused her. I have taught thousands of people and I have developed my own methodology and communication.
When I spoke about the tiger when I said to her when were in conflict
You remind me of this lady.
There was a young lady of Riga
Who smiled as she rode on the back of a tiger
They returned from the ride
With the lady inside
And the smile on the face of the tigerIt is a limerick that I have learned at school over thirty years ago and it simply means "don't take up a challenge and then fail at it". It is like saying, "He who laughs last laughs the longest."
You say you are one of the lurkers, let me quote what the opening post says,
Then I shall come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right and from their left. And You will not find most of them thankful'.
Said He, 'Go forth from it, degraded and banished. As for those of them, who follow you I shall assuredly fill Hell with all of you'.
Surely he sees you, he and his tribe from where you do not see them. We have made the devils friends of those who do not believe.
A party, He has guided, while another party has deserved to go astray - they have taken devils as patrons instead of God, and think that they are guided'.
You guys have been battling me in these madtrixes for some time but I have entered it and surely your days are numbered irrespective of my death. There are many good people here and I surely hope that justmuslim will continue seeking as she said,
I have the Koran in front of me. The lessons are all there in the book and the signs of God are all around me. If i dont see it is because of my limitedness and lack of wisdom. Over the years, my knowledge and understanding of the koran have increased from Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Jews, Christians, atheists..... My faith has evolved over time from being a traditional Sunni and now just a Muslim. The words of God is there but due to my limitedness and influence, I didn't get it or see things. I am limited in my knowledge and understanding and constantly searching for the truth from the Koran.
And with this attitude I think that justmuslim is on the right path and may ALLAAH show her His aayaat (which are the meanings of the letters of the Qur'aan and that is called The Hidden Book.
The Sword of Truth has arrived to slay falsehood
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to establish its dominion over where it rightfully belongs.
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What is it now, dare I ask?
Sorry I didn?t notice your post earlier
Let me explain; I was shocked to see you who IMO is a smart lady writing; Exactly, GL.
May all our years be peaceful and joyous. Terms 'ours' and 'their' create division and that is the last thing I expected from you.So let's pray Oh ALLAAH increase our knowledge and let this be a blessed year for all humanity.
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Peace s.c., brothers and sisters.
We must now be used to the fact that " Anti- virus" must be updated to keep working.
Time and again we seem to be fighting the same virus, when it changes into a different virus and attacks again.
Brother Savage is right. Our " Anti-virus" will work if we are fair.
We must trust in God Alone and persevere.
Peace and a joyful new year to all.
- The Hypocrites, men and women, (have an understanding) with each other They enjoin evil, and forbid what is just, and are close with their hands. They have forgotten Allah. so He hath forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are rebellious and perverse.
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Peace Farida.
May the Lord bless you and forgive you.
Peace.