Al-Amiyr's claims and statements - let's examine
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Al-amiyr has opened up several threads making a LOT of claims and statements. Let's see how they all hold up to the Koran and if God indeed says the things that Al-Amiyr claims that God did.
Al-Amiyr said and I quote
"I have already said that this knowledge was handed down to me by my father from his father through 44 generations back to the prophet (S+). "
Is this claim supported by the Koran? If so al-Amiyr and his supporters, could you please refer to the specific verses in the Koran and explain.
Let's go through each thread and the claims made in each. From the thread on The Qur'aan Lexicographical Model
Al-Amiyr said and I quote
The Qur'aan says that of all the languages ALLAAH designed he chose the Arabic language that he placed and preserved in the hearts and minds of the barbaric people of Arabia so that when the time is right His symbols would become perfectly explainable to the world. The Qur'aan states that no other language in the world completely fulfills that need; only Arabic.
Where in the Koran did God say the above? What specific verses in the Koran?
Al-Amiyr said
Arabic is the name of a perfect language that has its origin in a program of mathematical kn owledge brought into existence by (ALLAAH) God. And that is the fundamental theorem of language.
Did God say that in the Koran about Arabic language? In what verses?
Al-Amiyr wrote
There is a debate that has been raging between scholars of the Qur?aan, especially between Muslim and non-Muslim protagonists that goes something like this
? The Qur?aan claims to be a revealed book in an unadulterated or pure Arabic language but in reality it contains many words that are of foreign origin.?
In other words if the claim contained in the Qur?aan is proven to be incorrect then it would be clear evidence that the Qur?aan is not a divine book that was supposedly revealed to Muhammad (S+) for the guidance of the whole of humanity for all time. Henceforward it could or should be discarded and regarded as nothing more than a literary curiosity.My question did God say that the book was revealed in an unadulterated or pure Arabic language in the first place?
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Justamuslim and others who haven't figured out al-amiyr
Obviously al-amiyr has not responded to this thread. Avoiding answering direct questions which justamuslim asked here and in other threads is a characteristic of a person suffering from delusional grandiosity with religious undertones.
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It might be so as well... confused
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"I have already said that this knowledge was handed down to me by my father from his father through 44 generations back to the prophet (S+). "
Funny. People here refuse to believe in knowledge that has been handed down across 4 generations (hadiths). And they should believe this guy and his 44 generations??!
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It might be so as well... confused
Godsubmitter - it is so. But don't take my word for it. Do your own research. Google "profiles of cult leader", "delusional religious grandiosity" for now and then come back reading all the posts by al-amiyr and these "supporters" of his like spacetraveler for example. Just forget about all this "content" for now. Read about his claims of how he acquired the knowledge. Read what he says and how he talks. His reactions to justamuslim initially and then how he changed when she backed down and wasn't so confrontational towards him. Look at his reaction towards me. Go back and read the articles on profiles of cult leaders and see if you identify al-amiyr.
I have been reading his posts in other forums. You should see his posts addressing primarily Sunni Muslims. Will provide the links later so you can see for yourself if you don't have the time to do so yourself.
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Funny. People here refuse to believe in knowledge that has been handed down across 4 generations (hadiths). And they should believe this guy and his 44 generations??!
I wondered the same. And then I looked at the profiles of all the supporters of al-amiyr. noticed that most joined the forum recently in December. This is how online cult leaders work or someone suffering from pschiatric disorder with religious overtones.
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Salam
I have read almost all posts and topics of al- amiyr and I'm extremely divided in my feelings.
On the one hand, the theory is interesting, no doubt. Once again a speculation about the hidden knowledge of the Koran.( -[)It is not my style for two reasons
First it is sold as an absolute hidden truth. That is incorrect.It would be acceptable as a new theory about the message of the Quran.
Second It is represented as a long hidden knowledge. This goes against the whole message of the Quran.The Quran was revealed for al alamiin. For all - His knowledge is tangible and not hidden or concealed, so that all can benefit from his guidance.The Quran was also revealed for simple minds, and not just for intellectual thinkers.
A theory is a theory, but no absolute truth, which leads either to paradise or to hell.
peace
ps i understand the 'hidden book' = the protected tablets by Allah which contents ALL the wisdom and all scriptures. The prophets became a part of this wisdom. But not all of humanity - is not necessary. just my humble opinion. ) -
Peace Amnew.
Are you also new? Please tell us a little bit about you?
That is if you wish to. Welcome to the forum .
( Sorry if you have already done so and I missed it?)
Peace. -
I wondered the same. And then I looked at the profiles of all the supporters of al-amiyr. noticed that most joined the forum recently in December.
And when did you join? Yesterday at 110210 AM
Other like you started registering as soon as StopS was put on ignore list by brother al-amiyrThis is how online cult leaders work or someone suffering from pschiatric disorder with religious overtones.
Don't try to instil fear voodoo
Always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the bright side of lifeSome things in life are bad, they can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle
This will help things turn out for the bestAlways look on the bright side of life
Always look on the right side of lifeIf life seems jolly rotten, there's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing
When you're feeling in the dumps, don't be silly, chumps.Dedum Dedum Day 3
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Salam. I really don't understand , why the critics of al-amiyr are panicking? They are behaving like mullahs , trying to safeguard ordinary people from corruption!! Have faith in other peoples intelligence and let everybody decide for himself. Quran never tells not to look outside quran for knowledge. On the contrary quran gives special status for knowledgeable persons (ulul bab , ilm). let not argue over al- amiyr's gaeniology , rather we should discuss the substance in light of quran. For that we have to wait untill he finishes his posts or something he says , which is grossly against quran's teaching or against Allah.
Please let al-amiyr finish his posts.
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Salam. I really don't understand , why the critics of al-amiyr are panicking? They are behaving like mullahs , trying to safeguard ordinary people from corruption!! Have faith in other peoples intelligence and let everybody decide for himself. Quran never tells not to look outside quran for knowledge. On the contrary quran gives special status for knowledgeable persons (ulul bab , ilm). let not argue over al- amiyr's gaeniology , rather we should discuss the substance in light of quran. For that we have to wait untill he finishes his posts or something he says , which is grossly against quran's teaching or against Allah.
Please let al-amiyr finish his posts.
Thank you all.Salaam brother
If I am not the best of writers why would anyone want to condemn someone for that. My main aim is to present the Book (al-kitaab). Truly if there is not anything worthy in it, people will be able to judge and what I present will just land on the rubbish heaps of theories. But every one on earth has a right to present his or her views the way he or she wishes to present it. I have so many people waiting for the continuation but sometimes I have to respond because they put me to a challenge which I cannot ignore.
It was not my intention at all to speak about my family. Even justmuslim made a thread called Questions about al-amiyr. Yesterday I spent 15 hours working on the first answer. All this time I could have spent writing in knowledgeable threads.What is required is a watchman who will see that nothing goes off track. If I go off track the watchman can just make that clear. Then there will be little problems.
Thanks and salaam
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Peace al-amiyr.
You want a watchman?
Don t you trust in God?
Or have you got bodyguard/s to protect you . I think you will find that God is the best protector!
It is up to you of course.
Peace.
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Salam. I really don't understand , why the critics of al-amiyr are panicking? They are behaving like mullahs , trying to safeguard ordinary people from corruption!! Have faith in other peoples intelligence and let everybody decide for himself. Quran never tells not to look outside quran for knowledge. On the contrary quran gives special status for knowledgeable persons (ulul bab , ilm). let not argue over al- amiyr's gaeniology , rather we should discuss the substance in light of quran. For that we have to wait untill he finishes his posts or something he says , which is grossly against quran's teaching or against Allah.
Please let al-amiyr finish his posts.
Thank you all.Behaving like Mullahs? Isn't it a legitimate question why we should trust some knowledge that has supposedly been handed over 44 generations when many in the forum don't even trust hadiths handed down 4 generations?
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Behaving like Mullahs? Isn't it a legitimate question why we should trust some knowledge that has supposedly been handed over 44 generations when many in the forum don't even trust hadiths handed down 4 generations?
Salam. Who is asking you to trust? Use your brain , reason. One of my fabourite ayat -
3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
You have to listen first , then only you can follow the best. For that reason give al-amiyr opportunity to finish his posts.
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Salam. Who is asking you to trust? Use your brain , reason. One of my fabourite ayat -
3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
You have to listen first , then only you can follow the best. For that reason give al-amiyr opportunity to finish his posts.
I agree completely. Has not Allaah(swt) assured us that ShayTaan has no power over the believers? Has he not provided the arms to disarm the prince of darkness by saying 'Auwdu b'illahi minaish Shaytaanir rajeem'? And has he not instructed us to put our trust in Him?
So I take my precautions and ask Allah, The Omniscient, to increase me in guidance and, if Al amiyr's teaching be righteous, then may I understand and learn it, but if it be from the darkness then may I reject it. Allaah Al Qadi. hail
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Salam. Who is asking you to trust? Use your brain , reason. One of my fabourite ayat -
3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
You have to listen first , then only you can follow the best. For that reason give al-amiyr opportunity to finish his posts.
Thanks brother always for words of wisdom
In this way we will have peace and be brothers and sisters. In this way others will also have an opportunity to show me knowledge that will benefit me. I learn everyday. And I promise you that I have also learned a number of things in this forum. I never dismiss anything any one says even from critics. No matter how one may not like it. In the end reason must prevail. And inshaa allaah to everything said.
+salaam
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I agree completely. Has not Allaah(swt) assured us that ShayTaan has no power over the believers? Has he not provided the arms to disarm the prince of darkness by saying 'Auwdu b'illahi minaish Shaytaanir rajeem'? And has he not instructed us to put our trust in Him?
So I take my precautions and ask Allah, The Omniscient, to increase me in guidance and, if Al amiyr's teaching be righteous, then may I understand and learn it, but if it be from the darkness then may I reject it. Allaah Al Qadi. hail
+salaam
In this way all can learn even if the presenter is not 100%. He can also be guided. Otherwise how will he know he is on the wrong path if no one will want to listen to what he has to say. You speak righteously and you are like a true Umar. There is a statement attributed to the prophet where he said,
Hadith no108 ibn Maajah
Narrated / Authority of Abu Dhar
?I heard the Messenger of Allah (saw) say 'Allah has placed the truth on the tongue of Umar, and he speaks with that (truth).? (Sahih)+salaam
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+salaam
In this way all can learn even if the presenter is not 100%. He can also be guided. Otherwise how will he know he is on the wrong path if no one will want to listen to what he has to say. You speak righteously and you are like a true Umar. There is a statement attributed to the prophet where he said,
Hadith no108 ibn Maajah
Narrated / Authority of Abu Dhar
?I heard the Messenger of Allah (saw) say 'Allah has placed the truth on the tongue of Umar, and he speaks with that (truth).? (Sahih)+salaam
Wa aleikum salaam
I thank you for your kind words and eagerly (but patiently yes) await your next post on the hidden book. -
Wa aleikum salaam
I thank you for your kind words and eagerly (but patiently yes) await your next post on the hidden book.wa"alaykum salaam brother
I have also probably read over half your posts and I respect your intelligence and being to the point. The true sign of a Muslim. Al-hamdu lillaah. I am working on the Hidden Book and things will be much easier from the next post and things will begin to materialize inshaa allaah.
wa"alaykum-us-salaam
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Salam. Who is asking you to trust? Use your brain , reason. One of my fabourite ayat -
3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
You have to listen first , then only you can follow the best. For that reason give al-amiyr opportunity to finish his posts.
Who is stopping him from posting anything? He is free to post whatever he pleases. But we are also free to question whatever he proposes.